Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Tarantula Jack
From what I recall it was not Bob but Harry mussing about the infinite nature of the nevernever. That said I will not be using quite so expansive a concept. I have a post somewhere in here explaining why I do not like multi-verses, they make consequences go away, but the same is true for finding arbitrary things in the spirit worlds. If I wanted Harry to find Spiderman in there with all the implications that would have I would have made this a Marvel Crossover, I did not so you cannot.

That said and meta-concerns aside 'you can find anything in the Nevernever if you go deep enough' is something many young wizards believe as it is an exaggeration of the very real fact that you can find a lot of weird stuff in there.

Quick - the copyright opportunity is open, we to make a Spiderman-expy in our realm now! :V

"Tune in your 'jacks - its Tarantula Jack! And thanks to the hard working boys, girls and SUTRA's of the Adamant CorporationTM now you too can experience the daring devil trill seeking of Jack's iconic, breathtakingly action-packed and verticality filled manoeuvres with our new line of Web-slingshot!TM available as either gene-mods or cybernetic-augmentations and includes a complementary g-force and Fall-ArrestTM survivability package! Coming soon to a clinic near you!"

"...In other news,
Adamant Corp executives continued to be gruelled in the metro-parliament this weekend over the hundreds of traffic accidents (air- and ground-lanes), particularly the airborne collisions with VTOLs, drones, aircars, and other 'craft, pedestrian strikes, as well as at least 3 different preliminary building scaffolds allegedly pulled down by users of the controversial new "web-grapple-line" mobility devices/implants/organs in the style of and sponsored by part-time vigilante, stunt-demon and influencer known by his noospeak handle "Tarantula Jack". The miscellaneous property damage caused to "webbed" panels, windows, walls and infrastructure damaged by the force of being attempted to be used as an anchor point for swings and by would be "webbers" crashing into buildings, vehicles, persons, or in at least one instance to the wildlife below after one instance of "slinging" off of the city 'plate - due to miscalculating swings is continuing to rise as new reports come in.

Under Oath and Geas today, top executives acknowledged that the current accelerated VR training course is insufficient training for "the challenges which come with an entirely novel locomotive system of transportation and adventure" and are promising under Geas to wholly fund new investment into a mandatory new educational course and navigational aids free of charge for current and future users, including upgraded spatial awareness packages, path prediction algorithms, and building/vehicle/person structural stability and integrity assessment software for 'jacks and AR vision/visors, as well as new augments and modifications including "spring-light" and "feather-foot" feet and leg alterations as well as full body "feather-fall" charms, "upskill" neural programming and memory/experience upload chips, and integrated spirit-guides based off of and trained by Tarantula Jack himself, all in an effort to limit the growing calls for "swing-free" zones, lanes and areas by local sector governments restricting the operational use and sale of their new product line, as well as prevent pre-emptive bans on civilian use in the other cities (military, first responder and certain grav-ball tournaments interest continues to be strong Sanctuary-wide, however). A timeline for when and how these updates will be rolled out, and if the pause on continued sale and use of grapple-lines will be extended until this safety package is available.

Environmental activists and business associations say that while efforts to improve the safety of the product is a step in the right direction, no agreement should be reached until there is a total ban on non-reusable, non-retractable detaching "web-lines" of both organic and synthetic origins because of the environmental pollution and fast rising clean-up costs (especially for high-rise office windows) with many buildings already expanding their adhesion repellent fields, previously intended to prevent bird strikes and droppings, to "blacklist" the material composition of these lines. However, there is ongoing controversy as to whether this proposal will include a grandfather cause to protect those who evolved or mutated these abilities naturally prior to their technological mass adoption as well as traditional magic traditions which use similar methodologies, and whether thuamically based alternatives which detach and fade will also be banned as the potential impact and risk of magical/spiritual pollution continues to be debated.

When asked for comment, a spokesperson for Tarantula Jack declined due to their client being unavailable to reach due to "ongoing extra-planar commitments"."


Sorry, this copyright joke intended to be at most two paragraphs got away from me due to how much fun writing all the problems and potential solutions (and the problems brought up by such solutions) to Spiderman-style webslingers turned out being! While I intended for the idea of frequent "webslingers" and/or grapple-hooks/cables swing from building to VTOL to building to be more of a joke, as it might not fit the aesthetics we are going for and/or break game balance (thereby making gameplay less fun, although if the concern is over-utilising such an ability on Earth or the wider Nevernever, then it could always be contained by making it rely on some unique facet or underpinning of the meta-physical architecture of our realm specifically, and it would probably has limited utility outside of rapid mobility in built-up/vertical areas and/or rapidly grappling objects/people either to pull them towards the grappler or to bring the grappler closer to said grappled object/person), especially as its probably too powerful to be available straight away as of our initial entrance into this world without needing any action or resource investment on our part (not so much for us personally, but as a multiplicative factor for our minions friends and subjects' capabilities), let alone if it were to become more technologically mature and mass-reproduceable as a device and/or technique.

Also, I'm not sure of what "extra-planar" knowledge our inhabitants have about the world beyond there own and thusly I don't know if Jack's excuse of being "elsewhere" would make sense (granted a trill-seeking potentially crazy summoned demon-turned-would-be-superhero-and-celebrity might not be expected to make much sense in their explanations anyway).

Although of course if anyone wants us to develop such in a future project you are more than welcome to or use anything else I mentioned here, and furthermore my apologies if I misunderstood, mischaracterised or misrepresented any of the pre-existing lore and/or intended vision of this realm that's already been established.

However I did have some interesting ideas which might be more applicable to the "canonical" world, like legal testimony and legally-binding agreements using magical Geas to ensure honesty and agreement/contract/plea deal compliance respectively, or city divisions being arranged by circular divisions: for instance, using sectors, perhaps the boundaries of which could be determined by degrees, with the northernmost point (or any other cardinal direction, perhaps each city chooses the cardinal direction they are closest to, with two sharing a southernmost starting point layout) being marked as the 360-0 degree line - so for example, you'd have say Sector 90.58^o-91.53^o, although as the city (and the city plate) expands and presumably subdivides local governments further, such a system would lead to impractically thin slices of a block, building or less which would be a nightmare to effectively manage as a meaningful distinct jurisdiction and region of governance, so in all likelihood if sector are used at all they would probably only be applied to "historical" or "founding" districts - those areas that existed as sectors when the city plates were initially constructed, and expansions being independently subdivided as if an annulus into (line or curved) segments akin to Mamikon's visual calculus. I'm assuming that both the plate is expanded over time as people build additional housing (plus all other necessary and appreciated infrastructure, industry, habitats, environments, etc., to support additional life) and thusly expanding the population (although I'm sure the cities also grow vertically in taller structures (perhaps both extending further above AND even below the plate?) and higher population density, probably to a greater extend than in breath and width), and that administrative subdivisions are probably a necessity even with all the techno-magical advancements considering many of these city districts we might think of as "local/municipal/shire/parish/etc. councils" would likely be larger than most Earth countries, each representing at least millions, if not tens or even hundreds of millions of people considering each city is at least a billion-strong!
 
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[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate
 
[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate
-[x] [Stunt] With simple flex of your mind a detailed diagram of earth is projected on a nearby wall.
 
How much does Molly know about what just happened anyway?

It seems like she has an understanding on a consequences level, but does she know enough to say have detailed conversations about what a demiurge is actually doing?
 
Incidentally we need to make sure we sleep wet and subzero tonight. Tomorrow we go hunting with Broken Seeker and is a terrible time to botch our willpower check.
 
"Tune in your 'jacks - its Tarantula Jack!

Welp, that's an omake, and a really fun one at that. Non-canon, but I just wanted to say I enjoyed it and it gave me some ideas.

How much does Molly know about what just happened anyway?

It seems like she has an understanding on a consequences level, but does she know enough to say have detailed conversations about what a demiurge is actually doing?

She understands that she made the world, the way people make their dreams while at the same time having a bunch of things that do not fit the model like the cities, the dragon statues, the Labyrinth and the palace itself. She does not understand how she did it and asking her how would be akin to asking someone who just told you the dream they ha last night to explain the neurochemistry of sleeping.
 
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Yeah I get that we have these options, I just wanted to make a point that we should be thinking about actually doing them.

An informal setup is fine too. Selling answers to prayers is tacky, but I'd feel much batter about taking taxes if we provided a public service. Though the rent thing is definitely a decent argument and worth taking at least something. We should just be reasonable about it.

We don't have to, they certainly aren't likely to complain, but it's the little things that make a difference over a long period of time and we want a good relationship with our people.

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I mean, I am definitely expecting a Sovereign Grant analog or something like it. And in terms of the public service Molly could provide to the Courts, I think using Lord of the Land is likely to be profitable, and i really want to try our hands at large scale magical workings the likes of which Earth has never seen.
 
Just the unity bonus Molly provides as the undisputed leader even as a figure head is likely worth more then she could ever really ask for. There is no unified polity of 5 billion people on earth.
 
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[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate
 
OK, try to explain has it
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 16, 2023 at 5:21 AM, finished with 124 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
    -[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate
    [X] Just translate for Harry and dad introducing themselves, you can cover the shape of the cosmos later
    [X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
    [X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
    -[x][Stunt]You know how the Scholars of the City of Scrolls call this world Sanctuary? Well the outside world is very dangerous place where people die the final death just by being killed. When I created this world it was with the idea of making the safest place possible and I have reason to think that I succeeded.
    [X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
    -[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate
    -[x] [Stunt] With simple flex of your mind a detailed diagram of earth is projected on a nearby wall.
 
I mean, I am definitely expecting a Sovereign Grant analog or something like it. And in terms of the public service Molly could provide to the Courts, I think using Lord of the Land is likely to be profitable, and i really want to try our hands at large scale magical workings the likes of which Earth has never seen.

Molly's presence probably also makes it possible to make much more powerful fomor by binding devils who would normally cause their hosts to melt in days or weeks from the sheer amount of Taints they'd inflict.

Down the line if she uses the right Crown questions and inner devils unchained she can also probably make Wan Kuei akuma of hers that are much more powerful. Particularly if she can break Yi's sunlight curse.
 
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Arc 8 Post 60: In Waking Twilight
In Waking Twilight

18th of November 2006 A.D.

With how many strange memories you have found tucked away in the back of your mind you are almost surprised to find one of your own floating to the surface: thumbing though old Wonder Woman comics on a lazy summer afternoon, just another one of those things dad brought back from the job. The feeling of worn paper under your fingers, the ink looking all the more faded under the vivid sunlight. One panel in particular jumps to mind Steve Trevor on the shores of Themyscira, looking quite bewildered when he was asked to describe the outside world. Strange that after all those days to daydreaming of being Wonder Woman you end up as Steve in the end on the shores of your own soul...

"There is not one world out there but many, the one I come from is a world of men, though men are not the only ones to live in it, it is a place of stone and soil not ice hence it is called Earth, though perhaps that speaks more of the places men are wont to live in for it is two thirds covered by great seas. There are other worlds which I have not seen but only glimpsed separated by the void of dust studded with the plasma-fire of stars. Others there are to dwell beyond, just as in the world of shifting spirit there are many powers and many realms over which they rule..."

Rather than an exhaustive explanation, the kind that would do little good and pose more theological questions than it would answer the account focuses more on the physical aspect of earth delving into metaphysics only briefly as you explain technology and its contentious relationship with major aspects of magic

This last bit seems to disturb Ameli as much as the mention of countless other words had excited her, her weariness seen not in expression or gesture but rather in their opposite utter stillness. I guess from her perspective it is kind of like someone describing a world where water eats away pipes like acid so everyone has to drink from streams.

"Earth-bound Humanity has lost much of its connection to the spirits as it achieved ascendency of the physical sciences so there in no ward between the power ethereal and complex electronics or other acts of cutting edge artifice."

"But how would you...?"

"Enough!" the gurvel, Dust of Imperishable Diamond Ascendant, Dust by the old form naming traditions of his people, growls. "Do not presume upon the wisdom of the divine!"

"At least unlike you I can both hear and understand Her words," the engineseer shoots back, though you notice she comes just a bit closer to you. "Did you not hear what the proclaimed from the throne. The Empress requires our counsel not our grovelling and I cannot give council if I do not have a baseline."

At this the warrior snorts unimpressed. "Already you see yourself councillor because you happened to be among the first to enter the chamber."

Before things can get anymore heated you cut on. "I meant every word I said in there and I do not mind explaining, though some parts do get a bit hard to put into words..." glancing around for a distraction your eyes land on Harry. "Would you show off a bit of magic as part of your introduction, Ameli, that is the spider lady, tocatli they are properly called, is interested in metaphysics."

As you all make your way into the medbay triage centre Harry looks around dubiously. All the beeping and the flashing lights are probably reminding him way too much of the kinds of places he is very leery of using his magic back on Earth.

"I know this isn't real technology, but are you sure it's safe?"

"What do you mean it's not...?" You shake your head. "Yes, anything more complex than a ballpoint pen in there has some kind of machine spirit in it even if it's not a full SUTRA"

With a word of command Harry conjured a light behind him that makes his shadow lengthen to the far wall. "I am Harry Dresden, a wizard of the White Council I come in peace."

Well, you sigh inwardly as you translate, at least he did not go with 'beware for wizards are subtle and quick to anger'. At least father is content to just give his name and not mention being a Knight, there are enough theological landmines to be getting on with at the moment, though thinking about it... he does not have the sword right now. He is just here as your dad

By the time introductions are done and the Exarchs of the city had been properly notified to a meeting later today the head doctor, a blue-capped seta who somehow gives the impression of being cheerfully chubby despite being an enormous somewhat cybernetically enhanced flying mushroom explains what is wrong with your friends.

It's not as bad as you feared, but it is worse than you hoped.

"They are awake, aware, listening to us right now, but their ability to control their own bodies has been cut off, full paralyses for six hours. I could attempt to revive them sooner, but I am not very experienced in working with the entirely unenhanced. That would require a paediatrician."

"Or a zoologist," Ameli notes punctiliously.

You don't pay any attention. "Izzy, Alec it's OK, we are going to fix this."

They don't move. Of course they don't and of course Broken Seeker would not think of 'just' being locked into your own body as terrifying. You send a mental curse the skinwalker's way. He must have woken then up just as he was handing them off, it might have even be some twisted attempt to do you a favour by making them feel grateful for the rescue,

After considering what you know about the local herbs, minerals and other reagents you realize you know enough to brew the correct tea, to balance their chi. But it is going to take a bit longer than either letting the healers do their best or...

"Enchantments like this aren't my strong suit for obvious reasons, but I know how to break someone out of a trance and back to their natural state," Harry offers.

How do you undo the paralyses of Izzy and Alec?

[] The doctors can handle it, lack of experience with the unenchanted or no they are healers

[] Brew tea to balance their chi

[] Harry can fix this, you're sure

[] Write in


OOC: You guys might want to think about what you tell your friends about everything they have been hearing so far as well as what method to take to break the enchantment.
 
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[X] Brew tea to balance their chi

Honestly, I just want to know how good her tea is
 
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However I did have some interesting ideas which might be more applicable to the "canonical" world, like legal testimony and legally-binding agreements using magical Geas to ensure honesty and agreement/contract/plea deal compliance respectively,
It's an interesting idea all right. It's very much a crossover idea - a Geas is deeply mystical, "It Just Works", irreducible handwaving, while a formal court system of the sort SV likes is usually working to be the opposite of that, with things like chain of custody for evidence.

Now I'm not demanding you explain how it works, I'm not entitled to follow-ups, I know. But I have some concerns anyway. Geasa are fictional, so there's no fact about how they operate, and I can imagine three main approaches.
1) A Geas compels "honesty" by the standard of the caster.
2) A Geas compels "honesty" by the standard of the target.
3) A Geas compels "honesty" by an objective standard, which includes "I don't know".
3b) A Geas compels "honesty" by an objective standard, which magically produces facts, like the Crown of Eyes.

3b means secrecy is dead, and all the others have weird problems and complications in edge cases, where they give a false assurance of magically induced honesty. 🤔
 
what you tell your friends about everything they have been hearing so far
"remember when I explained how I am more Thor than Superman? Well, welcome to Asgard, I guess. Note: not the actual Asgard, Odin is a cool dude, I wouldn't want to infringe on his copyright". Something like this to lighten the mood and work within established paradigm.
I know this isn't real technology,
This is going to be a theme with him, isn't it? He's in near total denial, I guess. And, I mean, if we define technology as "field of craft that is disrupted by magic", then yes, it's not real.

[X] The doctors can handle it, lack of experience with the unenchanted or no they are healers
-[X] If they need a pediatrician, suggest teleconferencing one
-[X] Spend time explaining what is happening and calming your friends, even if they can't answer you
--[X] Empathy excellency


Delegation. We need to learn it. Even if they are unenhanced, the doctors should be very competent and remote communications should be available for additional consultations.
 
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[X] The doctors can handle it, lack of experience with the unenchanted or no they are healers
-[X] If they need a pediatrician, suggest teleconferencing one
-[X] Spend time explaining what is happening and calming your friends, even if they can't answer you
--[X] Empathy excellency
 
They are awake, aware, listening to us right now, but their ability to control their own bodies has been cut off, full paralyses for six hours. I could attempt to revive them sooner, but I am not very experienced in working with the entirely unenhanced. That would require a paediatrician."
Well that's going in the book of grudges. We were going to kill him anyway, but it's the principle of the thing.

Maybe we can find a way to make his death particularly unpleasant, or boot his ass back to the Holy People so he can deal with the shame and helplessness of it all instead of just erasing him.

Also, how long would it take to get a pediatrician to show up here? If the doctors are just going to try their best we might as well get the particular type the current one recommended.


In terms of the actual selection, can we abuse the crown? Predicting choices isn't allowed, but if we switch to English and explain the situation at a basic level we could then ask them to make a decision for us to read. Target the scene instead of them to avoid burning their use as foci, and pretend it's some other form of divination as we normally do.

We just need to make sure they know to make the decision by a specific point so we don't ask our question while they're still thinking.

I'm sure after being kidnapped and paralyzed being given back some agency would be appreciated.
 
With a word of command Harry conjured a light behind him that makes his shadow lengthen to the far wall. "I am Harry Blackstone Copperfield Dresden peace a wizard of the White Council I come in peace."
In this situation, in such unfamiliar surroundings and in company of extremely dubious origin (from his POV), I don't think Harry would introduce himself using his full Name.

It seems like he would lean more toward "I am Harry Dresden, wizard and Warden Commander of the White Council." or something to that effect.
 
[X] The doctors can handle it, lack of experience with the unenchanted or no they are healers
-[X] If they need a pediatrician, suggest teleconferencing one
-[X] Spend time explaining what is happening and calming your friends, even if they can't answer you
--[X] Empathy excellency
 
Well that's going in the book of grudges. We were going to kill him anyway, but it's the principle of the thing.

Maybe we can find a way to make his death particularly unpleasant, or boot his ass back to the Holy People so he can deal with the shame and helplessness of it all instead of just erasing him.

Also, how long would it take to get a pediatrician to show up here? If the doctors are just going to try their best we might as well get the particular type the current one recommended.


In terms of the actual selection, can we abuse the crown? Predicting choices isn't allowed, but if we switch to English and explain the situation at a basic level we could then ask them to make a decision for us to read. Target the scene instead of them to avoid burning their use as foci, and pretend it's some other form of divination as we normally do.

We just need to make sure they know to make the decision by a specific point so we don't ask our question while they're still thinking.

I'm sure after being kidnapped and paralyzed being given back some agency would be appreciated.
  1. Paediatricians are are quite rare as medics go because so are the children who need their services.
  2. You could ask what their thoughts were X seconds ago and get something usable, just with a small delay
In this situation, in such unfamiliar surroundings and in company of extremely dubious origin (from his POV), I don't think Harry would introduce himself using his full Name.

It seems like he would lean more toward "I am Harry Dresden, wizard and Warden Commander of the White Council." or something to that effect.

They do not speak English, but fair enough he does not know they don't. I'll change it.
 
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Seems like the best and safest option, also the quickest from the perspective of Izzy and Alec, would be to sedate both of them so that they are unconscious while the paralysis effect runs its course.

[X] Rather than delay treatment to find a more qualified physician or rely on the mystical solutions we or Harry might be able to come up with, ask that Izzy and Alec be sedated so they can comfortably sleep off the effects of the paralysis.
 
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