Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

It takes an hour and can make as much as we roll with prayer eating, that just 4 bleach essence. Admittedly not a lot of essence from Prayer eating right now, but you can overflow on the essence you make, and it lasts for a full 10 minuets.

So Molly will be able to generate the essence, cast all buffs, and then top off her essence to max. Fight calculation go a lot different when you start with a full buff stack, and max essence pool. And later on once Molly stats are higher she could generate lots of essence, fully buff up, and tank up, leave spend essence freely in a combat return, and absorb the remaining essence.

Prayer Eating is the only way we have to get additional essence above our max. It is ultra useful for that aspect alone.

And it would be trivial to have the hell residents setup a chamber, so we can have both Bleach regeneration going, while using Prayer eating.
Pretty much every time we've fought trying that has failed. I'm skeptical of our ability to organize and execute a plan like that for anything short of raids planned well in advance that we go directly into a fight on. Which is a pretty narrow case.

I guess crafting might benefit too, the reason for using dragon nests is the essence requirement for the most part so it could be substituted, but even with the 10 minute grace period we could very easily not be able to use it fast enough to matter.
In fairness while it'd definitely take character development I could see us eventually doing it. Its not inherently evil or anything I'd want to be able to talk to angels and stuff though. I mean its not like the Bible is fully accurate even in dresden files word of jim God does not care if you worship him in the dresdenverse. Hes known as the creator and gods had a purpose in the dresdenverse when the world was younger that God gave them some of which did alright then he put down the boot and told them to retract more from the world unless their willing to take risks. So gods clearly have a purpose in this cosmology other than being heathens.
Significant character development is underselling it. The first few levels require things like believing Molly is a powerful supernatural being worthy of deep reverence that can have miraculous influence over the subject's life. Those things are objectively true - especially if we take the third charm at the same time - and technically not the same as seeing her as a god in the Christian sense. Still a serious sin, but she's not claiming to be Jesus' peer or something.

The last couple ranks are very explicitly about the subjects glorifying her divinity and binding people irrevocably to the idea that she's their one and only god.

I'm not convinced the utility of that is worth the change even if we can eventually make it happen.
 
Pretty much every time we've fought trying that has failed. I'm skeptical of our ability to organize and execute a plan like that for anything short of raids planned well in advance that we go directly into a fight on. Which is a pretty narrow case.

I guess crafting might benefit too, the reason for using dragon nests is the essence requirement for the most part so it could be substituted, but even with the 10 minute grace period we could very easily not be able to use it fast enough to matter.

Significant character development is underselling it. The first few levels require things like believing Molly is a powerful supernatural being worthy of deep reverence that can have miraculous influence over the subject's life. Those things are objectively true - especially if we take the third charm at the same time - and technically not the same as seeing her as a god in the Christian sense. Still a serious sin, but she's not claiming to be Jesus' peer or something.

The last couple ranks are very explicitly about the subjects glorifying her divinity and binding people irrevocably to the idea that she's their one and only god.

I'm not convinced the utility of that is worth the change even if we can eventually make it happen.
Given again I'm fairly sure the false gods thing in dresden files was less what God said since they clearly had a purpose in the world that he gave them at least to some degree. So I'm unsure how much of it is really a sin if you asked an archangel. But, yeah totally fair.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Aug 15, 2023 at 12:23 AM, finished with 81 posts and 31 votes.

  • [X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
    [X] No time for complicated explanations now, we need to get your guys some security passes, Izzy and Alec into a medical bay. We will talk later OK
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Plan: Reassure Ameli:
    -[X] To dad: 'Give me thirty seconds', To Ameli, bending your power towards reassurance: 'Ameli, this is a big change. New for both of us. I'm not in any way strict about proprietary behaviours or the like, so you can relax there. We'll work to figure this out together and any missteps and miscommunications we each make to the other can be rectified with patient effort towards mutual understanding. You don't have to be worried. If it helps in giving you a quick and superficial framework in dealing with me: I have a preference for compassion, and aversion to the suffering of others where reasonably possible. First things we need are to get Izzy and Alec medical attention and everyone whatever security passes they need.
    -[X] Back to dad, while moving towards the medical area: 'Well, in real terms, my soul is an entire world in-and-of itself. And it has inhabitants. People. There's a joke about 'containing multitudes' here, but it feels a bit crass to do more than allude to it'.
    -[X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    -[x] Make sure to get help for Izzy and Alec medical help first, and follow them while explaining.
    -[x] [Stunt] *One second, dad*, you first turn towards Ameli. *I came here with friends that are potentially in need of medical help, can you send someone to help them?*. That finished, you turn towards your dad and indicates him to follow once the staff moves your friends towards a medical facility. *Dad, you know how you once told me you wanted grandchildren? Well, you got some! 5 Billions of them, in fact! Soooo, surprise?*
 
[X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza

I feel people are making this more complicated than it needs to be you can walk and talk instead of having to vote to inform them next update we can do it now.
 
Pretty much every time we've fought trying that has failed. I'm skeptical of our ability to organize and execute a plan like that for anything short of raids planned well in advance that we go directly into a fight on. Which is a pretty narrow case.
We could have found a lot of enemies with the crown, and hit them before they hit us, if we really wanted to. Being able to start a fight with both full set of buffs, and a topped of tank makes Molly first striking enemies much more viable. We can essentially shutdown anyones attempt to build up a presence in Chicago. Since we would basically no longer have to ration essence for a fight.

And fights are short a full round is 10 seconds max. Even a long fight between two people that are both Soak and Regen monsters is very unlikely to last even 2 minuets. And again Prayer Eating is the only way to store essence, above our cap, even just 5 spare essence matters a big deal for a fight.
 
We have to spend an hour focused solely on a religious ceremony that Molly would have serious personal issues with, and the max we can absorb is our own essence cap.
Prayer eating (4 dot charm of the prayer eating charm line) as written kind of sucks, but it's very clearly hasn't been written with the idea that you can have millions or billions of followers (see that the rules specify how much essence 10 followers can provide, but doesn't say anything about large scale congregations: "This Charm can't grant more than one point of Essence for every 10 worshipers present, and a single congregation can't provide a banquet of Essence more than once per day.".)

Let's say that we led a collaborative prayer ritual of the courts. For the sake of logistics let's say that only (hah!) one billion souls participated. Since magical rituals can be collaborative where you pool together your dice pools for total successes, and prayer eating is explicitely possible for non-exalts (to quote "The Hungry Dead of the Indian subcontinent practice a spiritual discipline that is regarded as heretical and abhorrent by their cousins farther east. Some believe it to have been taught by the debased spirits known as the Yama Kings, while others simply regard it as a blasphemous affront against Heaven undertaken by corpses with pretentions of divinity.") let's say that there are trained priests among the population who can take utilize prayer eating and either transfer that power to us directly (like we fed motes to the Cauldron when forging Bane), or use the power gathered themselves to add to the ritual. Dropping the efficiency from 1 mote per ten worshipers to 1 mote per 1000 worshipers (i.e. to 1% of the theoretical max), we still get one megamote of essence going into a ritual. Or, if we are translating motes into dice on the ritual, tens if not hundreds of thousands of successes.

The point of the exalted where you start adding kilo, much less mega to your mote count is the point where you start forging Unconquered Sun, or even Creation anew. That's the level of power appropriate for the time of Primordial Glory.

Personally, I intend to suggest we take Prayer Eating to 4 dots (because 5 is not Molly's vibe at all), and then use that insane power to forge city gods for all five cities, possibly in the reflections of the Maidens of all (I am in the process of stat block and fluff writing, it is going slowly). Or some other capital W wonder. The point is, collaborative magic ritual rules + Prayer Eating rules + billion-strong population (which really should be Cult N/A) = infinite possibilities.

EDIT: When we are the only one with Prayer eating, it's very limited. When we are a head of religions with billions of followers and trained priest-sorcerers who also know prayer eating in our name, it scales to something insane.
 
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OK, walk and talk time, lets see how this goes.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 15, 2023 at 1:40 AM, finished with 85 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
    [X] No time for complicated explanations now, we need to get your guys some security passes, Izzy and Alec into a medical bay. We will talk later OK
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Plan: Reassure Ameli:
    -[X] To dad: 'Give me thirty seconds', To Ameli, bending your power towards reassurance: 'Ameli, this is a big change. New for both of us. I'm not in any way strict about proprietary behaviours or the like, so you can relax there. We'll work to figure this out together and any missteps and miscommunications we each make to the other can be rectified with patient effort towards mutual understanding. You don't have to be worried. If it helps in giving you a quick and superficial framework in dealing with me: I have a preference for compassion, and aversion to the suffering of others where reasonably possible. First things we need are to get Izzy and Alec medical attention and everyone whatever security passes they need.
    -[X] Back to dad, while moving towards the medical area: 'Well, in real terms, my soul is an entire world in-and-of itself. And it has inhabitants. People. There's a joke about 'containing multitudes' here, but it feels a bit crass to do more than allude to it'.
    -[X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    -[x] Make sure to get help for Izzy and Alec medical help first, and follow them while explaining.
    -[x] [Stunt] *One second, dad*, you first turn towards Ameli. *I came here with friends that are potentially in need of medical help, can you send someone to help them?*. That finished, you turn towards your dad and indicates him to follow once the staff moves your friends towards a medical facility. *Dad, you know how you once told me you wanted grandchildren? Well, you got some! 5 Billions of them, in fact! Soooo, surprise?*
 
Pretty much every time we've fought trying that has failed. I'm skeptical of our ability to organize and execute a plan like that for anything short of raids planned well in advance that we go directly into a fight on. Which is a pretty narrow case.
Well we might be able to manage it now. Go into the base then go into our kingdom do all the prep work and buffing in our kingdom then bust out of our kingdom likely with a full squad of support.

But most likely it happens when we retreat to our kingdom to escape a bad situation and our enemies know that we have to return at the same spot and have to prepare to escape the trap.
 
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Well, happy with the result, I did say that we should do a vote to *do both* and that my stunt was not necessary at all.

Still, nobody willing to go for a little joke? A shame, I'm sure Michael's heart could have taken it, no risks of him having a heart attack. :V
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 15, 2023 at 1:40 AM, finished with 85 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X] Walk and talk: Get Izzy and Alec into a medical bay, explain as much as you can on the way there and then on the way to the plaza
    [X] No time for complicated explanations now, we need to get your guys some security passes, Izzy and Alec into a medical bay. We will talk later OK
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Plan: Reassure Ameli:
    -[X] To dad: 'Give me thirty seconds', To Ameli, bending your power towards reassurance: 'Ameli, this is a big change. New for both of us. I'm not in any way strict about proprietary behaviours or the like, so you can relax there. We'll work to figure this out together and any missteps and miscommunications we each make to the other can be rectified with patient effort towards mutual understanding. You don't have to be worried. If it helps in giving you a quick and superficial framework in dealing with me: I have a preference for compassion, and aversion to the suffering of others where reasonably possible. First things we need are to get Izzy and Alec medical attention and everyone whatever security passes they need.
    -[X] Back to dad, while moving towards the medical area: 'Well, in real terms, my soul is an entire world in-and-of itself. And it has inhabitants. People. There's a joke about 'containing multitudes' here, but it feels a bit crass to do more than allude to it'.
    -[X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    [X] Try to explain that Usum was factually correct, as fantastical as that sounds
    -[x] Make sure to get help for Izzy and Alec medical help first, and follow them while explaining.
    -[x] [Stunt] *One second, dad*, you first turn towards Ameli. *I came here with friends that are potentially in need of medical help, can you send someone to help them?*. That finished, you turn towards your dad and indicates him to follow once the staff moves your friends towards a medical facility. *Dad, you know how you once told me you wanted grandchildren? Well, you got some! 5 Billions of them, in fact! Soooo, surprise?*
 
Arc 8 Post 59: A New Groove
A New Groove

18th of November 2006 A.D.

I can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time right? You ask yourself, pushing aside the awareness of slow-chew, something between gum and cotton candy now mostly synthetic and coming in a bewildering variety of tastes but originating in a sort of fern sap native to the Western Jungles where it had been the origin of a trade network to which many of the Consortiums of the City of Journeys still trace their vast wealth.

"Ameli could you call in a medivac for my friends, they were... captured by an enemy of mine. I managed to secure their release and he claimed they were unharmed, but do not trust the word to mean the same to him as it does to me and they should have woken up." Catching yourself you breathe though your nose reminded with just as much thoroughness of all the ways Sanctuary in general and the medbay of the upper palace in particular have to treating magical ailments

In a matter of moments the tocatli woman summons a pair of air cushion stretchers and their attending paramedics to hoist your friends onto to the general buzzing of the remaining crowd of security personnel.

"Also does anyone have a secure slate?" you ask looking around.

Surprisingly it is the woman with the hair-implants, Firm Instigator of Peace, or Fip, who answers to the affirmative. Having even less fidelity than a low-jack slates are generally used by those who for personal or spiritual reasons have chosen to forego a machine-mind interface or who do not trust the local SUTRAs, neither of which makes much sense for a member of Palace security. The slate itself it is probably one of the most high-tech on the planet, a wafer thin thing of brass and beryl packed with magically cooled super-conductor that is still a generation maybe two ahead of what is commercially viable.

As the whole group sets off for medical, flanked by a very professional, but still off balance security detail you mentally switch gears to English and try to explain.

An diagram of an icy hemisphere, of a cyclone and an anticyclone forever locked in battle, their embrace birthing a belt of blue-green life appears n screen with two presses of the buttons, five great pillars of steel set in the points of a pentagram.

"These are the Fivefold Courts of Fate, we are here in the palace at the centre of the world and as far as I can tell from things I now remember Usum is not wrong, this is a place I made, at least the foundations of it are, the ice, the storms, the city pillars, at least I made it the way people are the architects of their dreams, there are bits that feel familiar without feeling like they are mine, the Dragon of Night and the Dragon of Light, the Brass Labyrinth some of the shapes of life maybe..."

"One of those shapes is human," your dad points out, cautiously.

"Right I definitely did not invent the human form," you laugh awkwardly, playing it up a little to make it clear you are not about to go super-villain on them, "Anyway dad do you remember when Father James died back in Denver and we all went to the funeral? Back in '94 I was six or something?"

"Yes," he answers, not sure where this is going.

The elevator dings softly as it arrives to take you down to the lower levels. Some things it seems are universal.

"I asked why people only have one life to be good or bad in when that is supposed to decide their eternal reward? If people are worth second chances why not third and fourth and so on?"

Another nod. For his part Harry has his eyes glued to the screen while you roll out image after image, not just schematics, but vid dramas and documentaries, grav-ball game recordings, the kind of things that are too varied, too complex, too mundane to be faked.

"And you said God can't give infinite chances because human life is finite?"

The elevator doors open onto an antechamber resounding with music at once pleasant and wholly alien to your ears like techno-punk performed via whale song, just normal popp-y music thankfully. You do not think you could deal with Covenant hymns right now. The stretchers go first, their attending doctors, one seta gently bobbing along and one human reading off vitals as they go.

"Well," you wave your hand between the brass doors and the tablet. "Welcome to the land of infinite second chances. If someone dies of anything beside specifically designed ritual meant to unbind them from the Wheel of Life and Death, which you have to go through serious counselling and self reflection to have access to, they come back absent whatever killed them."

I made a world where the cure to drug addiction is to OD. The realization hits you like a ton of bricks.

Firmly you shake off the intrusive thought. This is a world where there is always a way for people to get better, to come back. So what if that means they have to discorporate for a bit?

"Well," you dad sighs as he puts a hand on your shoulder, as though to assure himself that you are still solid. "This isn't where I thought I'd be this morning. But I am glad I can be here with you to help as I can. Who knows maybe you'll find some use for your old dad's advice even around here."

A giggle escapes you and if it sounds just a little hysterical well you like to think that is understandable. "No need to go all Full House folksy wisdom on me dad."

"Would half-house be appropriate then?" he asks, still trying to put you at ease.

It works, you practically roll your eyes all the way back at the genuine article dad joke.

"It's a Nevernever realm, a big one, bigger than any I've heard of outside of Faerie, but I'm not an expert in things like that," Harry speaks up. "The people here, I'm not sure what you would call them. Denizens maybe? They feel like demons, but then so do you, that doesn't mean anything." The casual way he says it makes you feel warm inside. "We need to figure out the Way to get home once they get looked at..."

"Oh I can just will us home..." Before you can say more you notice one of the doctors take out a small brass stud about twice the size of a coin as he leans over Alec. A simple medical implant designed to read vitals and relay them to the physician of the kind no citizen of the Courts would think twice about.

"Stop!" The poor man freezes in his tracks so you do your best to moderate your tone as you explain implants, even the most common place are unknown where they come from.

"Pardon the impudence of one who wishes to understand only so that she may better serve you," Ameli says into the silence that follows. "But where do where did you travel from Majesty and who are your companions?"

What do you answer?

[] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can

[] Just translate for Harry and dad introducing themselves, you can cover the shape of the cosmos later

[] Write in


OOC: That would have been the issue with just sending Izzy and Alec with the doctors, they would have no reason not to use devil-invested cybernetics to help with the diagnosis and treatment. Since you were there you could stop them, but since Molly was talking she had to roll perception (with ATB) to notice in time.
 
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No Leet Cyber gear for our friends. :(

[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate
 
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I made a world where the cure to drug addiction is to OD. The realization hits you like a ton of bricks.

Firmly you shake off the intrusive thought. This is a world where there is always a way for people to get better, to come back. So what if that means they have to discorporate for a bit?

Wow. I think this is a good thing, but that brings up the implication that there might be people who chase that final deadly high, if the psychological aspect of drug addiction isn't cured by death.
 
Wow. I think this is a good thing, but that brings up the implication that there might be people who chase that final deadly high, if the psychological aspect of drug addiction isn't cured by death.

It is not and yes this does happen, though really it is just a small subset of risk taking behaviours from very extreme sports to exploring the Wastes on a shoe-string budget to live fire laser tag that would seem insane in our world. Consequences still exist, social and physical since you do not respawn instantly like a video-game character, but they are something a certain subset of the population are willing to accept in order to get whatever the risks are in service of.
 
"It's a Nevernever realm, a big one, bigger than any I've heard of outside of Faerie, but I'm not an expert in things like that," Harry speaks up. "The people here, I'm not sure what you would call them. Denizens maybe? They feel like demons, but then so do you, that doesn't mean anything." The casual way he says it makes you feel warm inside. "We need to figure out the Way to get home once they get looked at..."
I mean, I understand why he is making that conclusion. "A big NeverNever realm" is far more likely than "a wholly separate Creation". I am surprised Lash isn't correcting Harry - she should know better by this point. Or is this a case of Harry not listening due to being pissed off at her because of her double botch?

[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate
 
I mean, I understand why he is making that conclusion. "A big NeverNever realm" is far more likely than "a wholly separate Creation". I am surprised Lash isn't correcting Harry - she should know better by this point. Or is this a case of Harry not listening due to being pissed off at her because of her double botch?

[X] Try to explain Earth and the Spirit World as best you can
-[X] Occult excellency, and others as appropriate

Lash just pissed off Harry, hard. Molly suspects he is not listening to her at the moment.
 
Can we use our tool charm to create a translator???

No because you are the only ones who can use tools made by your tool charm, explicitly. If you mean actually build something to translate for them yes, just stick a devil in something with HMP and have them do the translating, cyber devils you invest from this point onwards will know both the languages of your inner world and English.
 
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