Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Just to take another swing at convincing people; we're being tested right now.

I get the disinterest in this particular guy, but he's elected himself village idiot bear-poker and come to poke the bear.

Not responding is a response as far as they're concerned, and it undercuts at least part of our goal here. Which is to establish Molly as serious business.

We probably don't want to completely break the tension too early for the sake of maximum drama later, but something is warranted here.

Staying a good quiet little solaroid until it's time to kill Lara's enemies and leave would be convenient for her, but isn't as helpful for our agenda.
 
This guy in particular isn't important, but he is the first person to poke us and the other predators are watching.
We can go back to ignoring the little fish later, but we should make a point now so we don't appear to be allowing him to deflect Molly.
Vittorio Malvora is son of Lady Cesarina Malvora, who rules House Malvora.
He's basically Malvora Heir. An up and coming fish in internal White Court politics.
We should recognize the name after talking to Thomas.

He's also
  • Canonically one of the guys running this plot and fighting for public credit so he can use it , though he might not be in this AU
  • One of the guys who murdered Cauldron members in canon
  • Madrigal Raith's friend/ally/puppetmaster
  • Cowl's apprentice
  • The guy who summoned uberghouls in Raith Deeps in White Night
  • Walking around with an Outsider inside him as of May 2007

This guy is Important.
Both politically and plotwise he's intimately entwined with the mainline plot and at least two major antagonist factions.
We want to scan him so deeply we can read his DNA.

Dont think Intimidation, think Hellscry Chakra and All Things Betray.
Maybe an Excellency.
 
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Vittorio Malvora is son of Lady Cesarina Malvora, who rules House Malvora.
He's basically Malvora Heir. An up and coming fish in internal White Court politics.
We should recognize the name after talking to Thomas.

He's also
  • Canonically one of the guys running this plot and fighting for public credit so he can use it , though he might not be in this AU
  • One of the guys who murdered Cauldron members in canon
  • Madrigal Raith's friend/ally/puppetmaster
  • Cowl's apprentice
  • The guy who summoned uberghouls in Raith Deeps in White Night
  • Walking around with an Outsider inside him as of May 2007
So should we be voting to kill him in a duel then?
 
[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
-[X] Intimidation excellency
-[X] [Stunt]: For a moment the cold seems to bite a bit deeper, the shadows draw a bit longer, as an almost catlike look of evaluation crosses Molly's face. To a white vampire the question 'food, toy, tool?' might as well have been shining from her eyes.
—[X] "You know, I can't say the same. The night is young though, maybe you'll make an impression."
 
So should we be voting to kill him in a duel then?
Nah.
First should be to double check our information, and ensure that things havent changed overmuch from canon.
I mean, we have whats an intelligence opportunity here. Confirming whether this guy is on our list takes precedence.

As for the mechanics?

Molly is rolling Cha/Man 3 + Intimidation 4 OR Cha/Man 3 + Empathy/Etiquette 5 . Add Stunt 2.
Thats 9 or 10 dice base. Near mortal dice cap.
And Demonic Primacy, which is always active, gives a -2DC buff to her social rolls against lesser vampires.

I cant see a reason to burn Essence on a social Excellency.
Especially since if the point is to make an impression on everyone, you'd wait until you were somewhere everyone could see you instead of just those in the parking lot and looking this way.
 
[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] STUNT: "All good, I hope", you say easily, as you extend your arm to be kissed, as would be proper for a gentleman of high standing meeting a noble lady, or even a foreign queen.
 
[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
-[X] Etiquette excellency
-[X] STUNT: "All good, I hope", you say easily, as you extend your arm to be kissed, as would be proper for a gentleman of high standing meeting a noble lady, or even a foreign queen.
I really can't support spending any essence on anything but scene long charms when we are about to get into one of the longest fights so far. Even if we kill a Wamp with every sword swing which seems optimistic we are going to need to renew our melee exalancy a few times.

[X] Move on
-[X] Much to your surprise you can see Leinth near one of the outdoor shrines, he actually seems to be giving a libation

Just because it isn't spending essence.
 
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Vittorio Malvora is son of Lady Cesarina Malvora, who rules House Malvora.
He's basically Malvora Heir. An up and coming fish in internal White Court politics.
We should recognize the name after talking to Thomas.

He's also
  • Canonically one of the guys running this plot and fighting for public credit so he can use it , though he might not be in this AU
  • One of the guys who murdered Cauldron members in canon
  • Madrigal Raith's friend/ally/puppetmaster
  • Cowl's apprentice
  • The guy who summoned uberghouls in Raith Deeps in White Night
  • Walking around with an Outsider inside him as of May 2007

This guy is Important.
Both politically and plotwise he's intimately entwined with the mainline plot and at least two major antagonist factions.
We want to scan him so deeply we can read his DNA.

Dont think Intimidation, think Hellscry Chakra and All Things Betray.
Maybe an Excellency.
For our purposes right now he's just a guy, and Molly doesn't know he's part of the genocide plot.

His utility for us right now is in rebuking him for testing us without completely exploding our act. After we smack him on the snout with a newspaper there are good odds we'll get something from his reaction that will prompt further action, but we shouldn't skip that step.
 
I really can't support spending any essence on anything but scene long charms when we are about to get into one of the longest fights so far. Even if we kill a Wamp with every sword swing which seems optimistic we are going to need to renew our melee exalancy a few times.
I am fairly sure that MiM would keep us going if we run low on essence. Even if it won't, we are at 15 motes. Each excellency is 4 turns. That should be more than enough.
 
I am fairly sure that MiM would keep us going if we run low on essence. Even if it won't, we are at 15 motes. Each excellency is 4 turns. That should be more than enough.
Excellency is (essence level + 1) minutes outside of combat. We don't need to keep it up for a whole exchange, but we do get somewhat longer bursts in situations like this than we do in combat.
 
I want to note that Vittorio is spending willpower to resist intimation to talk to us. Meaning that he really cares about talking to us. This isn't just a whim on his part.
 
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Im not sure why we're on 8/9 Willpower at the moment.
We havent spent any WP today as far as I know, and its been long enough since our encounter with the Ants that any WP has to have been replenished.

For our purposes right now he's just a guy, and Molly doesn't know he's part of the genocide plot.

His utility for us right now is in rebuking him for testing us without completely exploding our act. After we smack him on the snout with a newspaper there are good odds we'll get something from his reaction that will prompt further action, but we shouldn't skip that step.
1)According to the update, he's someone we know is probably the heir of one of the White Court's three major Houses.
That makes him not just a guy, but a significant player.
If his parent ascended to White King status, he'd be what Lara was to Papa Raith.

And I doubt its a coincidence that he ran into us here and now; good odds that he has been waiting to "bump" into us here where relatively few people can see him do it or overhear what was said. Whether its because the guest list is open, or Lara has another leak, or his outside contacts told him, I dont know. You would expect Whampire leadership to have that kind of intel though.


2)He hasnt tested us yet.

He's just approached us openly, and hasnt actually given us a reason to smack him on the snout without coming off as either churlish or insecure. For an evil Whampire he's being quite circumspect, and like you said, we dont know about his genocide involvement yet. Assuming he's involved in this AU.

Besides, if we were going to smack someone on the snout to establish dominance, it would be INSIDE the actual party, where the majority of partygoers can see and hopefully hear us do it.
Not out on the grounds when most of the attendees appear to have made their way inside, or lack line of sight.


3)OOC, he's almost certainly a probe for someone else. His mother, Cowl, the Outsiders, all of the above.
Dude isnt an Elder, but pushed through everything to do this approach.
That means this encounter matters to him.
I want to note that Vittorio is spending willpower to resist intimation to talk to us. Meaning that he really cares about talking to us.
^^^
 
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[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
-[x] If you have reason to think the is trying to do any sort of mental manipulation make it seem like you are resisting, but act if it is taking effort on your part maybe you can get a few Wamps to exhaust themselves against your perfect mental defenses
-[x]Spend one essence to activate Hellscry Chakra.

To be clear I consider all the pre fight socializing to be the first round of combat where we try to drain our enemies resource well preserving our own. That fact that they don't know that a fight is coming just gives us an extra advantage in this contest.

However the ability to detect mental influence when you are at a party of mind eaters is such a huge social advantage. Also knowing current emotional states let's us know if conversations are actually worthwhile and scene long buffs are good value for money.
 
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1)According to the update, he's someone we know is probably the heir of one of the White Court's three major Houses.
That makes him not just a guy, but a significant player.
If his parent ascended to White King status, he'd be what Lara was to Papa Raith.

And I doubt its a coincidence that he ran into us here and now; good odds that he has been waiting to "bump" into us here where relatively few people can see him do it or overhear what was said. Whether its because the guest list is open, or Lara has another leak, or his outside contacts told him, I dont know. You would expect Whampire leadership to have that kind of intel though.


2)He hasnt tested us yet.

He's just approached us openly, and hasnt actually given us a reason to smack him on the snout without coming off as either churlish or insecure. For an evil Whampire he's being quite circumspect, and like you said, we dont know about his genocide involvement yet. Assuming he's involved in this AU.

Besides, if we were going to smack someone on the snout to establish dominance, it would be INSIDE the actual party, where the majority of partygoers can see and hopefully hear us do it.
Not out on the grounds when most of the attendees appear to have made their way inside, or lack line of sight.


3)OOC, he's almost certainly a probe for someone else. His mother, Cowl, the Outsiders, all of the above.
Dude isnt an Elder, but pushed through everything to do this approach.
That means this encounter matters to him.
It isn't coincidence no. Vittorio decided to be the first person to stand in our path after everyone else was forced to stand aside. The other factors beneath the surface are present, but the overt social element of the situation remains. That layer is important because it's the visible one and first impressions matter.


If you look at my vote it's fairly mild as far as these things go. We poke at him for poking at us and see what we get out of it.

Also, as an aside, Vittorio is only half as good as he thinks he is. Even if one of his parents ruled the court he wouldn't be able to do what Lara could with the position.
 
Something a lot of people appear to have missed:
Instead you stop, smile and greet the man, drawing him from his distraction.

"Vittorio Malvora, pleased to meet you," he says with a smile easy as it is oily. Malvora, fear eaters, also posers according to Isabela since their founding myth has the sound of medieval puffery, but skilled and patient politicians according to Thomas. They had taken on much of the culture of House Raith without losing an iota of loyalty to their house elders and they are liable to play the long game. Also... this is probably the heir of the House. "I have heard a great deal about you."

He's fishing for information, not really a dazzling discovery on its own, the question if if you should take the chance to cast your own line and read him in return or keep up the act you have been using so far and drift away with weightless pleasantries.
Dude put himself in our way so we would bump into him, and we've already stopped and greeted him courteously.
We've already chosen not to be an ass prematurely.


VOTE
[X]Plan Swimming With Sharks
-[X] Engage with Vittorio, try to get a feel for him
--[X]All Things Betray: 1wp
--[X]Hellscry Chakra: 1m Essence
--[X]STUNT: You cock your head at his statement "Oh? Have you now?" You feel rather than see the weight of Lydia's presence beside you as you bend the weight of your attention on this man, senses occult and mundane sharpening even as the porticullis of your mind slammed down. You arch an eyebrow at the man, an invitation to share, to demonstrate the breath of his knowledge."Only memorable things I hope."

SPENT: 1wp, 1m

STATUS
Essence: 14/15 Essence
Willpower: 7/9 Willpower

EFFECTS

Impervious Primacy Mantle: Thought and emotion magic immunity
Demonic Primacy of Essence: -2 DC to social interactions with lesser Creatures of Darkness
All Things Betray: -3 DC to all Perception rolls for the rest of the scene
Hellscry Chakra: See aura of Creatures of Darkness


RATIONALE
We have already chosen to be gracious.

Molly rolls Cha/Man 3 + Etiquette 5 + Stunt 2 for a total of 10 dice with a -2DC Demonic Primacy buff.
Alternatively, Cha/Man 3 + Empathy 5 + Stunt 2 for 10 dice with -2DC Demonic Primacy.
Thats mortal dice cap without trying.

And for social Perception?
Molly rolls Perception 3 + Empathy 5 + Stunt 2 for a total of 10 dice with -2DC Demonic Primacy and -3DC All Things Betray plus whatever advantages Hellscry Chakra add. Which would make him essentially an open book to read.

No real need for Excellencies here. Dude isnt an elder, and sure as hell isnt Lara Raith.
Save it for the elders. And the fight.

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Our aim is to get a feel for this guy. That means we need to boost our perceptions of him.

All Things Betray improves our social perception rolls (Perception 3 + Empathy 5) for the scene across the board, which makes us better at sussing out what people we are talking to mean, or what they are trying to hide.It should also make it easier for us to detect magic shit, whether items or someone using a Discipline or just outright magic.

We were also warned about the possibility of doped drinks in the reception, and ATB helps with those rolls.

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Hellscry Chakra helps us read the emotional state of CoDs by reading their anima, and whether they are possessed.
It will also help with detecting Creatures of Darkness hiding under a veil or a glamor, like the skinwalker we captured.

Also?
This guy was canonically possessed by an Outsider. If that is true in this AU, we want early warning. Especially since, if he's Outsider-possessed here, they want to know what happened with Maeve two weeks ago.

Furthermore, we know the Skinwalkers have been interested and lurking outside the Raith Estate for weeks, if not months.
In the event they have someone infiltrated here, we want this up and running.

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EDIT
Actual question that just occurred to me:
Are we sure this is Vittorio Malvora, and not an impersonator? Or even a skinwalker?
After all, we've never met him before, and a lesser skinwalker would ping as a Creature of Darkness.

EDIT 2
Rereading the update, I get the impression that Lara arranged for a lot of people to show up for several reasons.
And is deliberately arranging for us to run the gamut of a lot of Whampires. I suspect she's hoping to use us to screen for infiltration; she is one of a few people with the perspective to guess what happened during Molly's meeting with Maeve.
 
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We haven't chosen anything yet, a neutral acknowledgment isn't a blood pact.
Read the update again.
I quote:
Thus laughing and smiling eyes seemingly only on Lydia you pretend not to notice the predators all around you suddenly stepping back knowing not why. The pair of you are about twenty yards from the front door, you can see Lara inside greeting new arrivals when a tall man in a grey suit and black shirt crosses your path with wilful daring... a little too wilful to pretend he is not affected by your presence. He stops as though of observe more closely the small white flowers peeking from among the greenery at the side of the path, leaving you the choice of stopping to speak with him, actually changing course for the fist time since you stepped out of the car or bowling him over. Entertaining as the latter alternative might be it would rather ruin attempts at subtlety. Instead you stop, smile and greet the man, drawing him from his distraction.

"Vittorio Malvora, pleased to meet you," he says with a smile easy as it is oily. Malvora, fear eaters, also posers according to Isabela since their founding myth has the sound of medieval puffery, but skilled and patient politicians according to Thomas. They had taken on much of the culture of House Raith without losing an iota of loyalty to their house elders and they are liable to play the long game. Also... this is probably the heir of the House. "I have heard a great deal about you."

He's fishing for information, not really a dazzling discovery on its own, the question if if you should take the chance to cast your own line and read him in return or keep up the act you have been using so far and drift away with weightless pleasantries.
That is not a neutral acknowledgement. Its not a warm or familiar one, but its not just an acknowledgement.
Indeed, while he arranged to put himself in our path, we actually initiated the social encounter.
Its stated that we could have changed course to avoid him.

We voted to do this last turn when we voted to engage interesting people.
[] Go meet some interesting people, there will be time enough to pay back the conspirators when Lara gives the signal
 
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Read the update again.
I quote:

That is not a neutral acknowledgement. Its not a warm or familiar one, but its not just an acknowledgement.
Indeed, while he arranged to put himself in our path, we actually initiated the social encounter.
Its stated that we could have changed course to avoid him.

We voted to do this last turn when we voted to engage interesting people.
I ask again, who gives a shit?

We acknowledged what he set up. That hasn't bound us to a particular approach going forward, that was the point of this vote.
 
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