She has two Ox-Bodies already, so that's 11 HLs.
She still lost either a third or half that from a single hit as something that wasnt even aimed at her, and they were intonher -1 or -3HLs. And that was with four squads of mercs to help spread out the attention.
Wound penalties are already beginning to kick in for her, and a death spiral would have been a very real risk.
Especially since she was deliberately unoptimized.
Then there is this.
My problem with
@uju32 plan is that it assumes that the speed stacks, which has been disproved by Dragonparadox.
So the plan is suboptimal at best, and a waste of xp at worst.
Especially since "Running to Forever" is right there.
If you had saved some xp 5 minimum and switched to Multi-Hand for BRR I would honestly consider your plan.
I provided the quotes in the book. BRR seems to be supposed to stack.
I mean, we're currently stacking Demon Armor without mechanical or thematic issue. Noone finds it a problem.
The rest is apparently supposed to be common sense. You can argue that, say, Boneshaker shouldnt stack.
Or Transcendent Anathema.
Theres no reason why speed shouldnt.
Especially since Aquatic x Swift Stride = The same speed boost as Swift Stride x Swift Stride.
@uju32 I think the problem is not stacking aspects. Dragonparadox allowed that in the Shintai. The problem is BRR does not allow stacking aspects. Dragonparadox's interpretion is that it brings out an aspects, whether purchased via shintai or a new one. It exists to expand and add new features.
Also see the original charm from 2E.
It grants new mutations.
The thing is, that makes no sense.
Because it would compel Infernals to pick Aspects they dont want just to make up numbers.
The issue I have is not so much with stacking as with things stacking with themselves for the same cost
Let's just take arms to make the point
Infernal A buys two extra arms as By Rage Recast, under the system you propose they would immediately get two extra arms in Shintai, but since By Rage Recast stacks with Shintai they would actually get four extra arms in Shintai. This would mean that all aspects other than Hardened Devil body and things which cannot mechanically stack like Transcendent Anathema inherently double when taken with By Rage Recast, a two dot charm. That makes it pretty much mandatory for all infernals, not just the ones who want some benefit out of their Shintai in normal form and I do not think that is intended.
We are already doing this.
Hardened Devil Body and Demon Armor are both allowed to stack.
As in, stacking was accepted
You
cant take Extra Arms multiple times, because its effect is a one and done:
The Shintai possesses more than the normal comple-
ment of arms and legs, or perhaps sports a prehensile tail
or trunk, or perhaps can manipulate its immediate sur-
roundings with telekinesis. When the Infernal takes mul-
tiple actions, each subsequent action raises its difficulty
as normal but doesn't suffer a penalty to its dice pool.
Yes, By Rage Recast is a 6xp charm for us/8xp for people who dont favor it.
Not cheap, but not the most expensive charm.
Rendered Villain Dispersal allows for transcontinental teleportation as a 1 dot charm.
Ox-Body increases our HP by 50% and its a stackable 1 dot charm. Faster Than Sight os supposed to outrun light and sound.
Some charms/aspects/abilities are designed to be no-brainers.
How? All it does is add bruised health levels.
Bruised HLs are immensely valuable because damage in them does not give you any wound penalties.
It gives you enough HP to ignore threat in most engagements.
If they were allowed to stack, and they went soak monster? At E3 you could have BRR (HDB)×3 + 3x OxBody = 9 + 12 + 7 base = 26 HL. At E5 it would be 42 HLs. You'd roll most fights and have comfortable margin to heal yourself.
And because HDB gives Bruised HLs only, you suffer no wound penalties to your dice pools until you burn through more than half your bonus HP
Swift Stride is f*cking exponential. Taken to the max, with 5 By Rage Recast + signature charm boost + 6 aspects at shintai generation (one being used for flight) it gives 2^16 = 65536 times boost. If we take Eschaton Shintai into account, that's 2^19=524288 times maximum potential speed increase. If we also allow By Rage Recast to be taken as signature twice, that's 2^24=16777216 speed increase. At Dex 12 as base stat, running speed is 20 + 3*12 = 56 yards pe turn, or roughly 8.5 meters per second (assuming one turn is 6 seconds). Multiplied by 2^24, that's 0.47c. Do you really not see how a shintai that gives you fractional lightspeed movement is problematic?
My dude,
Faster than Sight means that you move so fast you somehow become invisible and inaudible to the people you are attacking.And its a 3-dot charm.
That speed doesnt prevent the enemy from responding, because game mechanics.
Never mind that
Rendered Villain Dispersal is instant teleportation, straight up, at 1 dot.
Or the whole question of how
Tool Constructs violates conservation of mass-energy.
Exalted regularly beat up physics for their lunch money.
Honestly, if you were worried about it, youd simply cap the Aspects to (Essence), which iirc, was how it was done in canon Ex2.
Or let's get back to Stealth. You have two stealth aspects, one is Camouflage, which reduces stealth DC by 2 (no lower cap included, but for the sake of sanity let's say it exists at DC3). 3 Camouflages leave you at DC 3 for stealth, always. Stealthy, as I mentioned above, gives you + 2 dice for all stealth rolls. With 3 aspects taken by Camouflage, your total maximum is 4 (base Shintai) + 10 (By Rage Recast + Signature) + 3 (Eschaton Shintai) + 5 (taking By Rage Recast as Signature the second time). That's 17 or 22 additional dice for stealth. Rolled at DC 3 always. Now throw in 20 more dice for a stealth specialist with excellency. That's 37 to 42 dice. That's "no one can notice me, ever, save for perfects" stealth.
Camoflage, as far as I can tell, isnt stackable.
Stealth probably is, because there is explicitly no dice cap.
Regardless, mundane stealth is great for surprise attacks and sneaking.
It doesnt allow you to arbitarily restealth once combat has started, nor does it make you invisible to spirits.
If you threw all your stats into stealth in the V20 system, you'd die to the first person with a buddy.
You just spent 50xp total, 30xp of BRR charms, 20xp of Unbound Eschaton on something defeated by a single spirit sentry.
Great sneaking though.
How is having some additional health levels story or game breaking?
See above.
Two words: wound penalties. Or the lack thereof.
