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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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BronzeTongue said:
… You could almost fall back assward into an infernal bureaucracy blessing for the regulators with something like this.

While they probably aren't laid out so explicitly as 'hide from the SEC' or whatever, there are organized efforts around this sort of thing. Just keep cursing until compliance improves.

That'd certainly be a fun one for the feds and economic historians.

Just imagine the countless paper pushers trying to ascribe meaning to all financial criminals becoming profoundly incompetent after they hit a certain size for reasons that seem complicated unrelated on any observable level. :V
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You can also grease the wheels on legislation by cursing the efforts of the counter lobby.

I love it too much.

[X]Plan endless torment
-[x] Molly
--[x]Buy Endless Torment Emanation (12 XP)
--[X] Carry over - 4xp
-[X] Lydia (4 XP)
--[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
--[X] Carry over - 1xp

Just in case.
[X] Plan: For the Kingdom
[X] Plan Telekinetic Mind Bullets
 
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fictionfan said:
You can also grease the wheels on legislation by cursing the efforts of the counter lobby.
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Or just all lobbyists; with few exceptions it's legalized bribery at this point.

I wonder if the Library of Congress would feel obligated to intervene if we were using magic to make it harder to be corrupt.

I'm envisioning some Congress Critter bitterly complaining about the bribes drying up while a sorcerer nervously pencils down 'ask Illinois hell-queen to please stop interfering with congressional boat payments' on their schedule. :V
 
BronzeTongue said:
Or just all lobbyists; with few exceptions it's legalized bribery at this point.

I wonder if the Library of Congress would feel obligated to intervene if we were using magic to make it harder to be corrupt.

I'm envisioning some Congress Critter bitterly complaining about the bribes drying up while a sorcerer nervously pencils down 'ask Illinois hell-queen to please stop interfering with congressional boat payments' on their schedule. :V
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yeah once we get it we have a plethora of hundreds of things we can use it on that we are unlikely to morally object too. Like I dunno al-qaeda or if ya don't wanna get into that religious stuff. Then fuck uhm some of the internment camps in China, uh the camps in north korea, the one prison camp in iraq, for supernatural organizations take it on a case by case basis really. I'd say more american things but my education is failing me and I'm not able to think of what currently exists which is bad.
 
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SSC would be good at doing stuff like fixing sporting events by watching them live and cursing the players. I would also say it's good for sabotaging political speeches for if we want to meddle in politics, but Mocking Murmurs Retort is better and cheaper for the same purpose.
 
DragonParadox said:
"Ooh!" Lydia literally claps her hands impressed. "You should use one of those the way wizards use a death curse. Ask Mab to bend as much of the power of Winter as the favor's worth to hunting down anyone that kills you, their leaders, their underlings, their allies, scorched earth... or I guess frozen. Just the threat of that is going to get a lot of people to back off."
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I do like this idea. It seems really unlike that we ever die to mortal bullets at this point.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
That is a sorcery path ritual, which you would know if you read it. Conveyance is a path, the sphere of travel is Correspondence and that would maybe be a 2 dot correspondence effect, a 4 dot
•••• Rend Space/ Ward/ Co-locate Self Creating larger holes in space, the mage can now open permanent gates between locations (10 or more successes); isolate forces, spaces, objects, or people into their own tiny realms (by combining Correspondence 4 with Forces, Life, Mind, or Matter); and wardcertain locations against specific Patterns (again, combining Forces, Life, Mind, or Matter with Correspondence) or Resonance energies (combining this Sphere with Prime 4). This warding effect can impede or even block the forbidden elements from crossing into, or out of, the protected space.
Something that you need Conveyance 5 and a major ritual which for most would be a life times work. Correspondence can do basically instantly

Don't waste my time
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You have posted this Ritual/Rote before on this thread around page 150.
And there, you called it an M20 ritual.


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fictionfan said:
I do like this idea. It seems really unlike that we ever die to mortal bullets at this point.
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Its a horrible idea.
Its breadth and lack of discrimination ensure that it would do extravagant levels of damage to the world left behind.

If this was active when Dresden got killed, you would have put the Winter Court in a war with the Archive. If it was active on Murphy when Rudolph killed her, Winter would have gone to war with the United States. If Nemesis possessed a Warden and they managed to kill us, or Peabody mindcontrolled a bunch of White Council wizards, they would put the White Council at war with Winter.

The potential for unwanted and unforseen collateral is HUGE.
That is the kind of suggestion thats made on impulse by a teenager who hasnt actually thought things through.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jun 8, 2023 at 1:19 AM, finished with 229 posts and 42 votes.
  • [X] Plan: For the Kingdom
    -[X] Molly (16 XP)
    -[X] Carry over - 16xp
    --[X] Lydia (4 XP)
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    --[X] Carry over - 1xp
    [X]Plan Speed Kills
    -[X]Molly: 14xp
    --[X]Rage Recast: Swift Stride: 6xp
    --[X]Mind-Hand Manipulation: 8xp
    -[X]Lydia: 4xp + 2xp(Molly)
    --[X]Flawless Hunters Eye: 3xp
    --[X]Righteous Lion Defence: 3xp
    [X]Plan endless torment
    -[X] Molly
    --[x]Buy Endless Torment Emanation (12 XP)
    --[X] Carry over - 4xp
    -[X] Lydia ( 4 xp)
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    --[X] Carry over - 1xp
    [X] Plan Spiteful Swift Forging
    -[X] Molly
    --[X] By Rage Recast: Swift Stride, 6 XP
    --[X] Shadow Spite Curse, 6 XP
    --[X] Designate as signature charm
    --[X] Craft 4, 3 XP
    -[X] Lydia, 3 XP
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    [X] Plan DOODGE
    -[X] Molly (16 XP)
    —[X] Bloodless Murk Evasion (9 xp)
    —[X] Carry Over (7 xp)
    -[X] Lydia ( 4 xp)
    —[X] Ghost Warding Glyph ( 3 xp)
    —[X] Carry Over (1 xp)
    [X] No longer blind
    [X] No longer blind
    -[X] Molly (16 XP)
    --[X] Awareness 0 -> 2, 5 XP
    --[X] Mocking Murmurs Retort, 3 XP
    --[X] Ox-body, 3 XP
    --[X] Craft 3 -> 4, 3xp
    --[X] Academics 1 -> 2, 2 XP
    -[X] Lydia, 3 XP
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    [X] Plan: Awareness
    -[X] Molly (5 XP, 11 saved)
    --[X] Awareness 0 -> 2, 5 XP
    -[X] Lydia, 3 XP
    --[X]Flawless Hunters Eye: 3xp
    [X] Plan crafting the kingdom to come
    -[X] Molly
    --[X] Craft 5, 7 XP
    --[X] Ox-body, 3 XP
    -[X] Lydia
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    [X] Plan crafting the kingdom to come v.2
    -[X] Molly
    --[X] Craft 5, 7 XP
    -[X] Lydia
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    --[X]Flawless Hunters Eye: 3xp
    [X] Plan Grab Bag
    -[X] Molly (16 XP)
    -[X] Craft 4 - 3xp
    -[X] Craft 5 - 4 XP
    -[X] Leadership 4 - 3XP
    -[X] Subterfuge 4 - 3xp
    -[X] Mocking Murmurs Retort (•) - 3xp
    --[X] Lydia (4 XP)
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    --[X] Carry over - 1xp
    [X] Plan Eye Eye Captain
    -[X] Molly (16 XP)
    —[X] Sinner Boiling Stare (12 xp)
    —[X] Carry Over (4 xp)
    -[X] Lydia ( 4 xp)
    —[X] Ghost Warding Glyph ( 3 xp)
    —[X] Carry Over (1 xp)
    [X] Plan How Much Gel Does Sonic Need Again?
    -[X] Molly (16 exp)
    —[X] Rage Recast: Swift Stride (6 xp)
    —[X] Carry Over (10 xp)
    -[X] Lydia ( 4 xp)
    —[X] Ghost Warding Glyph ( 3 xp)
    —[X] Carry Over (1 xp)
    [X] Plan Gotta Go Fast
    -[X] Molly, (15 XP 1 saved)
    --[X] By Rage Recast: Swift Stride, 6 XP
    --[X] Bloodless Murk Evasion (9 xp)
    -[X] Lydia, 3 XP
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    [X] Plan Spiteful Swift Forging v. 2
    -[X] Molly, 9 XP
    --[X] Craft 4, 3 XP
    --[X] Shadow Spite Curse, 6 XP
    -[X] Lydia, 6 XP
    --[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
    --[X]Flawless Hunters Eye: 3xp
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People, we just aggroed Nemesis.
Lydia is literally incapable of fighting because she cant actually see anyone under a veil or other magical obscurement, and she only has Soak 2 and 9 HLs.

We just had this as a problem while fighting the Will of Kakuri.
We came under weapons fire from akuma gunmen, and we didnt have ranged options to respond personally, and had to rely on half-health Einherjar to do it.

Meanwhile, Lydia couldnt even see the Will of Kakuri. She was just a fancy target until we sent her out of the building.
She needs the Perception buff charm as an essential acquisition with a naagloshii here.

Please dont stockpile XP when we're facing a ramp in enemy numbers and capabilities.
Our enemies wont just take a break until we are ready with the right set of abilities.
 
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Just as a note Molly is one of the Exalted, more to the point she is an Exalted that is starting to show the scale of her bullshit powers, enemies doing their best to ramp up and keep up is pretty much the new normal. That is just what happens when instead of throwing a pebble into a stream you throw a boulder... and then the boulder proves to be made of nanomachines that start building an island.
 
uju32 said:
No it isnt. Much the opposite.
There is no big disclaimer about "no aspect here may be taken more than once except explicitly allowed."
And its explicitly stated that all our charms work in Shintai.

Furthermore, you have to consider that the author balanced the Celestial Exalted against Kuejin and Kindred and Mages, all of whom have some very nasty tricks in the toolbox.

Because frankly the idea that this is excessive, in a world where Whampire Disciplines can be modelled as Kindred Combo Disciplines, where Kueijin Black Wind is a thing, and even the Shih have a perfect soak at Resilient Cat Tier 4?
Not really reasonable IMO.

I'll continue this when I get back from running errands, because I think a lot of people have actually forgotten what the setting and setting books support in this AU.
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Explain the reasoning why Hardened Devil Body needs an explicit " This Aspect may be taken multiple times." then, and at the same time it can't be taken with By Rage Recast. That seems like a clear contradistinction to me. HDB can be taken multiple times, and needs that being mentioned explicitly. Others can't, and that doesn't warrant an explicit mention. Very obvious logic.

In my mind, your reasoning is much weaker than that and not supported by the text. You are basing it on wishful thinking.

BronzeTongue said:
Out of combat it has some better utility, especially since it doesn't really set a range which could imply it's another LoS effect, but it's still ultimately trading inaction for an attempt to make the enemy fail on a moment to moment level.
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It's also a universal Nemesis detector. If we use it on a Nemesis hosts, all Nemesis hosts everywhere will light up for a moment.

Anyway, since my idea doesn't have a chance to win,

[X] Plan: For the Kingdom
 
BronzeTongue said:
Are we going to hit that point and then do this a second time because we have all sorts of charms we want then too for X monster or Y situation?
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This absolutely is what's gonna happen if Uju's plan to use all our xp wins right now, we will get another 14 to 15 next arc, and none of it will be kept for later.

The problem is partially the fact that the habit of spending all xp has already been formed, and we need to get out of it if we want a charm that requires 20 xp.

uju32 said:
Please dont stockpile XP when we're facing a ramp in enemy numbers and capabilities.
Our enemies wont just take a break until we are ready with the right set of abilities.
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Please don't use all our xp when you yourself says you want a charm that requires more than what we get by arcs.

If your plan did keep at least 5 in reserve, I would consider it, as is, I am more likely to vote for literally any of the others before I even think of yours, and I still wouldn't vote for it.
 
[X]Plan Speed Kills
-[X]Molly: 14xp
--[X]Rage Recast: Swift Stride: 6xp
--[X]Mind-Hand Manipulation: 8xp
-[X]Lydia: 4xp + 2xp(Molly)
--[X]Flawless Hunters Eye: 3xp
--[X]Righteous Lion Defence: 3xp
 
Also, as Yog already pointed out: it has been one day since our last spending, we can afford to stockpile, it is in fact the absolute perfect moment to stockpile, because it will take time for our enemies to ramp up, they cannot do so instantly, so we have next arc to breath a little before they do.

Nemesis has other things to do than send all its bodies on us, it won't attack now.
 
DragonParadox said:
At this point with one of the main contenders for plans being a 4 point plan I think it makes sense to round up

As for BRR, in terms of fluff what that charm does is bring part of your shintai into your normal form, so if you have the power to do Agg as a shintai you get it with BRR, but just because you have the charm the weapon does not get even better Agg, even hotter fire. If you got let's say 2 extra arms in Shintai and then got BRR you would not then have four arms in Shintai IMO that was not the intent of the designers
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DragonParadox said:
It's not really a question about the speed, but on the nature of BRR, if it gives you a whole other stacking virtual shintai that is far stronger than just more versatility for the Shintai and elements you can use in human form, which is I think what they were meant for.

*nods off to bed for real*
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Then there is this.

My problem with @uju32 plan is that it assumes that the speed stacks, which has been disproved by Dragonparadox.

So the plan is suboptimal at best, and a waste of xp at worst.

Especially since "Running to Forever" is right there.

If you had saved some xp 5 minimum and switched to Multi-Hand for BRR I would honestly consider your plan.
 
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Time to consolidate, I see awareness isn't winning, so let's at least buy something.

[X]Plan endless torment

[X]Plan Speed Kills

[X] No longer blind
-[X] Molly (16 XP)
--[X] Awareness 0 -> 2, 5 XP
--[X] Mocking Murmurs Retort, 3 XP
--[X] Ox-body, 3 XP
--[X] Craft 3 -> 4, 3xp
--[X] Academics 1 -> 2, 2 XP
-[X] Lydia, 3 XP
--[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP


[X] Plan Telekinetic Mind Bullets
[X] Plan: Awareness
 
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LightLan said:
Time to consolidate, I see awareness isn't winning, so let's at least buy something.

[X]Plan endless torment

[X]Plan Speed Kills
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You should no approval vote for Uju, all it does is hurt us long term, as the discussion shows, it is based on wrong assumptions and is suboptimal as a result.

Better to just consolidate on endless torment or buy nothing than go for that.

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Or consolidate on any of the other plans that keeps at least 5 xp for next arc and have about the same number of votes, there are lots of choices that aren't acting as if our pockets where burning, the problem is that they are divided, personally I think some of BronzeTongue's propositions would be a good idea.
 
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Yeah, what @Yzarc said. I only voted for the Kingdom plan because it's the only one that both has a chance of winning and doesn't waste a RR slot on Swift Stride instead of something more useful like Multi-Hand or some other aspect. If @uju32 changed his plan for something other than a sub-optimal RR pick, I would vote for it in a heartbeat.

Seriously, there's like, 2 aspects that allow you to buy them more than once, and we already have both at max level, why would you assume that getting the same aspect from 2 different sources would stack when you can't buy it that way in the original Shintai? It's not like you'd expect Night Vision or Gills to stack if we got them in both our base Shintai and by RR picks, why did he arbitrarily decide that this one would and that we had to have it?
 
Nyarky said:
Or consolidate on any of the other plans that keeps at least 5 xp for next arc and have about the same number of votes, there are lots of choices that aren't acting as if our pockets where burning, the problem is that they are divided, personally I think some of BronzeTongue's propositions would be a good idea.
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None of them come even close to challenging the don't spend anything at all plan, sadly.
They simple aren't viable.
 
LightLan said:
None of them come even close to challenging the don't spend anything at all plan, sadly.
They simple aren't viable.
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Endless torment doesn't either.

Better spend nothing than use everything right now.

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You know, I can't help but think that there are some voters who seems to act as if the xp will evaporate if we don't use it now. It won't, that's the entire point, we will still be just as powerful after the next arc when it comes to xp used with any plan, but not spending allows us to be stronger by buying better charms, whereas spending it all when we have been waiting for the kingdom charm for ages is like getting two meters from the finish line and deciding to turn back.

Not helped by the fact that since Uju's plan seems to contradict some very logical deductions about how some charms works, it is likely to hobble us after the next arc, and we would be better without it.
 
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[X] Plan: For the Kingdom
[X]Plan endless torment
 
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