Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We need to get there w/o losses too.
I do have a Plan: Awareness with only spends 5 XP on exactly that. We'v
I'd like to put some points in Awareness, or at least Alertness.
But I think it needs to wait till next turn, if there's XP left over from buying the Kingdom charm.
We regularly walk around without them.
Gard especially is not a party member and has to be paid or have her own reasons for joining any specific adventure.
Im not very worried about Molly getting jumped by herself without warning.
Her base stats include a -2 DC buff to Awareness due to Demonic Guide 5; she rolls at DC4 instead of DC6.

I was specifically talking about Molly + Lydia + Gard going to see Odin and crossing the NeverNever in the process.
My apologies for any confusion.
This is actually a valid point. @uju32 we only earned 15 XP this time, one is a carry-over from the previous spending. This means that Lydia gets 15/4 rounded down XP, i.e. 3.
15/4 rounded up, I believe; 3.75 rounds up to 4.
 
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[X] Plan: For the Kingdom

@uju32 , Swift Stride on both BRR and Shintai doesn't stack, unless either you saw something in the rules I didn't or @DragonParadox said it does. We have better things to spend those slots on.
Yes it does.
When in Shintai, you get the full advantage of ALL your charms.
ExWoD pg 196 said:
Shintai Rules
While wearing her Shintai form, the Infernal en-
joys the Attribute modifications of the form, along
with any Shintai Aspects and Signature Charms. She
retains full access to her Charms.
Rage Recast Aspects are from a charm. The Shintai Aspects stack with the Rage Recast Aspects.
Else we wouldnt be able to fly in Shintai either. Or use Transcendent Anathema.
 
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XP costs are always rounded up, and XP gains are rounded down. The quote about costs is here:

I couldn't find the quote about the gains, but I am fairly sure that previously we operated under this paradigm.
The quote you are citing was specifically referring to Sorcery Path costs and discounts from training them.
I dont remember the QM ever stating that Lydia's XP gains are rounded down.
@DragonParadox, can we get clarification?
 
For MHM, can we even grapple people telekinetically at the same time while attacking? Using it to grapple is still an attack, and so would be one action, no? Beyond lifting things up from a distance in non-combat situations, I'm not sure if MHM would even be useful beside wow factor.
 
Rage Recast Aspects are from a charm. The Shintai Aspects stack with the Rage Recast Aspects.
Else we wouldnt be able to fly in Shintai either. Or use Transcendent Anathema.
We can use our charms, including rage recast, but I am doubtful that we can stack them. Swift Stride can't be purchased twice, unlike Hardened Devil Body. So, if we have it in shintai already (I don't remember if we do), I highly doubt we'd get benefit of two of them. By buying By Rage recast we would be unlocking it in our base form, but not doubling it in our shintai form.
 
The quote you are citing was specifically referring to Sorcery Path costs and discounts from training them.
I dont remember the QM ever stating that Lydia's XP gains are rounded down.
@DragonParadox, can we get clarification?

At this point with one of the main contenders for plans being a 4 point plan I think it makes sense to round up

As for BRR, in terms of fluff what that charm does is bring part of your shintai into your normal form, so if you have the power to do Agg as a shintai you get it with BRR, but just because you have the charm the weapon does not get even better Agg, even hotter fire. If you got let's say 2 extra arms in Shintai and then got BRR you would not then have four arms in Shintai IMO that was not the intent of the designers
 
For MHM, can we even grapple people telekinetically at the same time while attacking? Using it to grapple is still an attack, and so would be one action, no? Beyond lifting things up from a distance in non-combat situations, I'm not sure if MHM would even be useful beside wow factor.
Grapple OR strike. Citation:
With 3+ successes, the Infernal can "fly" by mov-
ing herself around telekinetically.
She may also grapple or strike her opponents using
telekinesis, using a dice pool of Intelligence + (lower of
Occult and Brawl).
These attacks inflict bashing damage,
and the Infernal's current Willpower points total (not per-
manent rating) acts as her effective Strength value.

Signature Effect: While the Infernal wears her
Shintai form, Mind-Hand Manipulation is always au-
tomatically active at a level of (Essence + 5) successes,
and her dice pool for telekinesis is 10 dice.
Its range is line of sight.
It applies as a ranged attack beyond melee range.
 
Yeah, I really don't think that Stride staking was the intent.

We still could go that fast with Enchanting, tho, it is not that big of a loss. Or with transportation ritual.
 
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At this point with one of the main contenders for plans being a 4 point plan I think it makes sense to round up

As for BRR, in terms of fluff what that charm does is bring part of your shintai into your normal form, so if you have the power to do Agg as a shintai you get it with BRR, but just because you have the charm the weapon does not get even better Agg, even hotter fire. If you got let's say 2 extra arms in Shintai and then got BRR you would not then have four arms in Shintai IMO that was not the intent of the designers
Is hardened Devil Body an exception to this or does it also work like this?
 
Is hardened Devil Body an exception to this or does it also work like this?

It's not eligible for BRR in any case

By Rage Recast (••)
The Infernal's resentment and anger manifests itself within her flesh, granting her demonic features.
System: Select one Aspect from the list of Demonic Aspects (with the exception of Hardened Devil Body, which cannot be chosen). The Infernal can manifestthis feature for a scene by taking an action to concentrate and rolling her Essence rating against difficulty 7, or by reflexively spending 1 Essence. Her Demonic Aspects automatically manifest while her anima flares. This Charm can be purchased a number of times equal to the character's Essence rating. If the Infernal has multiple Demonic Aspects, she can manifest as many as she wishes with a successful roll or Essence expenditure. If she wishes to suppress some or all of her Aspects when her anima flares, she must succeed at a Willpower roll against difficulty 7 to do so. These do not have to be the same as her Shintai Aspects.
Signature Effect: The Infernal picks one additional Aspect to permanently add to her Shintai form.
 
We can use our charms, including rage recast, but I am doubtful that we can stack them. Swift Stride can't be purchased twice, unlike Hardened Devil Body. So, if we have it in shintai already (I don't remember if we do), I highly doubt we'd get benefit of two of them. By buying By Rage recast we would be unlocking it in our base form, but not doubling it in our shintai form.
Uh, yes it can?
At least nothing says it cant, and the Shintai rules are explicit about telling us when something doesnt apply, like us not being allowed to buy Hardened Devil Body as a BRR Aspect.

At this point with one of the main contenders for plans being a 4 point plan I think it makes sense to round up

As for BRR, in terms of fluff what that charm does is bring part of your shintai into your normal form, so if you have the power to do Agg as a shintai you get it with BRR, but just because you have the charm the weapon does not get even better Agg, even hotter fire. If you got let's say 2 extra arms in Shintai and then got BRR you would not then have four arms in Shintai IMO that was not the intent of the designers
Thats actually appears to be the intent tho?
You stack Demon Armor for more soak, or Hardiness for immunity to different environments.
Even the specific example you cited:
The Shintai possesses more than the normal comple-
ment of arms and legs, or perhaps sports a prehensile tail
or trunk, or perhaps can manipulate its immediate sur-
roundings with telekinesis. When the Infernal takes mul-
tiple actions, each subsequent action raises its difficulty
as normal but doesn't suffer a penalty to its dice pool.
Doesnt raise any limits.
Think Asura from Asura's Wrath for a visual image, if youre not fluffing it as TK or Doctor Octopus-style tentacles.

And its not like the speed is an issue, when we apparently have arbitary movement speeds underwater due to the ruling on Rendered Villain Dispersal.
This doesn't make sense first you say that Lash isn't a member then in the next sentence you admit that she works for them.
I dont see the issue in my explanation.

Lash is a copy of Lasciel. Lash(currently) works for Lasciel.
Lash isnt a Denarian. She isnt a member of the Denarian organization.
She doesnt take orders from the Denarian organization. Or give orders to them.

Hell, the Denarians themselves are quite factional, and Nicodemus faction works as a separate organization from Lartessa's faction most of the time. Lartessa's minions dont take orders from Nicky. Never mind the independents.
Denarian is more a type classification than a functioning organization
 
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Thanks, missed that.

Hmm, so By Pain Reforged: Swift Stride is definitely suboptimal. Extra Limbs (as a telekinetic manifestation) is better. @DragonParadox can we fluff it so in normal form the manifestation is invisible, but in shintai form we generate shadow limbs trailing inky darkness or something like that?

Sure that makes sense

Doesnt raise any limits.
Think Asura from Asura's Wrath for a visual image, if youre not fluffing it as TK or Doctor Octopus-style tentacles.

And its not like the speed is an issue, when we apparently have arbitary movement speeds underwater due to the ruling on Rendered Villain Dispersal.

That is fair they could have just made it ineligible for BRR, but I think that Hardened Devil Body is extra ineligible because it is a second set of Ox Body and makes the already tanky infernals absurdly tanky. Judging from the fluff of By Rage Recast you are taking from the same pool as your shintai as seen by the fact that you get all the BRR boons in shintai which means that stacking does not work.
 
Thats actually appears to be the intent tho?
You stack Demon Armor for more soak, or Hardiness for immunity to different environments.
Even the specific example you cited:
Doesnt raise any limits.
Think Asura from Asura's Wrath for a visual image, if youre not fluffing it as TK or Doctor Octopus-style tentacles.
Yes, which is why having Extra Limbs in base shintai build and BRR doesn't make sense. You still have same infinite amount of actions, essentially. Same with Swift Stride.

It really seems like a rule abuse to try and double buy shintai powers this way that can't be bought twice normally.
 
[X] Plan: For the Kingdom
-[X] Molly (16 XP)
-[X] Carry over - 16xp
--[X] Lydia (4 XP)
--[X] Righteous Lion Defense, 3 XP
--[X] Carry over - 1xp
 
[X] Plan: Awareness

I like saving for the Kingdom, but full 16 xp seems like much and I think almost any problems we face in the future will require some degree of being able to notice the damn to address it.
 
An important reminder - it has been a day since our last XP spending in story. Not a month. In a steady progression rate, we can afford to not spend right now.
 
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