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[X] Let her do it, you are curious to see what it looks like
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
- Start date
- Crossover Fantasy
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- In the Grail's Church
[X] Let her do it, you are curious to see what it looks like
Bonea is a meta-reason. She doesn't exist (yet). Maggie does.
Sapphire Ritual makes Susan fully human again, resolving that complication, at which point Maggie and she can relocate into our kingdom for security if they so wish.
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It all depends on which gospel you read in Mark the first gospel and the one that they others plagiarized word for word Jesus is a clear victim and forsaken by God. In John the latest gospel Jesus is in control bossing people around and generally acting like he is in charge of his own crucifixion.
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-This entire thing confirms that the Fae of this reality and Nemesis share an origin, ancestry, something of the sort.
Which would explain why they appear to be so vulnerable to it, beyond what you'd expect.
Also they were raksha.
-That suggests that what Nemesis does is very similar to what happens to the Dream Eaten in Exalted.
-Im actually a little sad for the Heart in this vision. Not for what it became, but for how it was treated; Graces of an Unshaped are themselves sapient. Of course, this is a largely allegorical vision, so a lot of details are missing. There may not even have been a calamity; Raksha have fallen in love with Creation before.
-One lesson learned thats relevant to Molly: Clean up after yourself. Or someone will use your discards against you.
-No idea about the origins of the dude on the Chariot, and I dont have a copy of Graceful Wicked Masques at hand.
Just that the Wyld is huge, and Raksha are not the only things that live or emerge from it. The Primordials did, after all, and they're not Raksha as we understand the term.
-I assume Maeve is watching the proceedings with interest and more than a little alarm, even though she cant act.
Her reaction to Nemesis should be interesting.
And to her mother's emotions at getting to strike at it.
-I completely forgot the implications of this being Halloween.
If Nemesis follows the other rules of spirits, Mab can permanently weaken the infiltrator by killing one of its instances today and letting its power dissipate. Repairing that should be a non-trivial endeavor.
Christmas certainly came early for her.
The fact that she CAN destroy implies interesting things about the relative power levels involved here.
-Nemesis secret flaw is certainly a supernatural secret.
+2 Essence for the scene.
Assuming Mab isn't using Charms or similar abilities, she has Perception and Subterfuge around 7-8.
Which is about where you expect a heavy hitter of her caliber.
Maeve has Stamina 4.
Soaks Lethal though. Might be safe to assume a lot of Fae soak Lethal.
- All fey can soak lethal yes. They take Agg from a relatively common source, so it's not like they are that resilient compared to other supernaturals.
- You are still in the same scene as the last time it fired and it can only go off once per scene
We dont actually know when Bonea started gestating.
Just that Lash's death left her behind alone in Dresden's head.
Regardless, I wouldn't want to butterfly away the potential carelessly; its a hilarious plot complication.
No it does not. The enemy gets a say.
The Red Court dont accept retirement as an excuse, and Susan Rodriguez becoming human does not protect her from their revenge after five years of active service as a St Giles operative. Dresden's enemies won't suddenly decide that children are off-limits because her mother is
Susan herself won't retire just because she's now human even, just like her becoming a half-Red didn't necessarily force her to go fight the Reds. She could have chosen a quiet life when the Reds infected her, or when she became pregnant. She didn't.
And the presumption that random people will suddenly retire to our Hell is...quite a jump.
Literally Molly has never even met Susan before; she heard of her at second and third hand, thats it. She certainly is in no position to make decisions for her or her kid.
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A jouten isn't a sub-soul, it's one of the actual bodies of the Primordial.
Could it be that all faerie are an Unshaped that mutilated itself?
Mab's reference to the Graces absent the Heart keeps bouncing around in my head.
What if the Courts and the wild fae are the Graces themselves in some way? Dresden does repeatedly mention that one of the big differences between humans and Fae is Will, the capacity to choose, after all.
Mab's reference to the Graces absent the Heart keeps bouncing around in my head.
What if the Courts and the wild fae are the Graces themselves in some way? Dresden does repeatedly mention that one of the big differences between humans and Fae is Will, the capacity to choose, after all.
Susan being a red court half-vampire is a complication, and a big one. It's nearly a terminal condition. Curing her of it resolves that issue. If she desires to remain "in the fight", that's doable with fomori-making charms. If she doesn't, we have options.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Does Molly even know about Susan? If we do should we put some effort into finding her?
- Location
- In the Grail's Church
Not sure about this theory, since it would require that every time a fae was born, an Unshaped would need to robbed of one of its Graces. So unless there is some sort of butchering factory at the Outer Gates, probably not.
A more likely possibility is that they're basically the current age's equivalent to Jade Born: Raksha trapped in creation and then modified until they've become an entirely new species.
At his time of death in Changes, Martin was at least two hundred years old, and had spent a hundred and fifty years with the Fellowship.The bulk of St Giles was apparently so old that losing their inner demons after Changes just killed them off.
Terminal condition it isn't.
Dangerous and requires monitoring sure, but its not terminal.
And we have no relationship with Susan.
Dont make assumptions about her willingness to let us stick our fingers in her magical physiology.
Let alone put her and her daughter into our power.
Which doesnt really fit the Christian conception of Christ either.
Know? Yes.
She listens at doors, and when she was 14, she brought up Dresden's love life problems in Death Rites, the last time Susan was in town.
Met? No.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
And I suppose Harry is unlikely to bring Susan up unless Molly is having a more successful then usual seduction.
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- florida
Well the raksha have a hearts grace. This is the undiluted core and center of their existence. Without it they just kind of... poof? Out of existence?
They have four other graces based on what are essentially mental processes.
Ring, Sword, Cup, and staff.
Together these graces make up an actual fey being.
Also weirdly these things are actual literal objects.
So it seems nemesis may be some kind of... formless existence. Bereft of the shell it wove around itself to interact with reality, rejected ultimately by the self for the sake of mortal love.
Now it seeks out new hosts to inhabit.
From rpg.net forum.
"Vaguely speaking, the Heart is basic will-to-exist, the Cup is empathy and the understanding of the existence of others, the Ring is identity and self-awareness (it's a bit like Freudian ego), the Staff is the ability to exist within a social structure (something like superego), and the Sword is the strength to effect changes in the world outside onesself."
They have four other graces based on what are essentially mental processes.
Ring, Sword, Cup, and staff.
Together these graces make up an actual fey being.
Also weirdly these things are actual literal objects.
So it seems nemesis may be some kind of... formless existence. Bereft of the shell it wove around itself to interact with reality, rejected ultimately by the self for the sake of mortal love.
Now it seeks out new hosts to inhabit.
From rpg.net forum.
"Vaguely speaking, the Heart is basic will-to-exist, the Cup is empathy and the understanding of the existence of others, the Ring is identity and self-awareness (it's a bit like Freudian ego), the Staff is the ability to exist within a social structure (something like superego), and the Sword is the strength to effect changes in the world outside onesself."
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- washington
aren't plenty of fae not more durable than the average human heck aren't a lot of fae less durable than the average human? Like pixies and stuff?
Nope.
Even pixies are surprisingly durable for their size.
What I am getting is that some Raksha decided to do a bit (a lot) of soul-surgery on itself and replaced its Heart Grace with a mortal. Was it trying to cosplay an exaltation or something, after seeing a Devil Tiger Infernal? Maybe something like that. Joining as a symbiotic existence with mortals, in any case.
The Heart Grace was left alone outside the new Creation. At some point someone picked it up. The rest is history. I kinda pity Nemesis now.
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- In the Grail's Church
it might not be a specific mortal, notice the ambiguousness. The Magician might have simply wanted Mortality, so as to enjoy all the benefits of free-will with the previous power they had before.
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- washington
Oh thats sure its not much better than an actual human though right? Just you know hard to hit and fast and way stronger than their frame would suggest. I'm sure bullets were a threat to maeve and some well not grunts but other fae have been more durable than the lady in the past.
I'd say they are about as tough as a white court vampire and I have those soaking lethal.
I was thinking more that it was like one of those powerful Unshaped that are also an entire landscape except it's the Fae in general.
My thinking is the rules and roles and identies of the fae took the place of the Heart grace and the other virtues were fashioned into the Courts.
Like Winter as a whole is the Ring or Sword and Summer is the Cup or such.
The fae don't have Graces because they are, in a way, a small sliver of a Grace.
- Location
- Germany
Could you make an infopost to keep track of rules like that?
What can Vampires, Ghouls, Fey, etc. soak, what are their sources of agg. damage and so on?
As far as Molly knows/guesses at least.
Otherwise I can try making one later I guess so you just have to correct?