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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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On a different subject, if we ever find out about the Outer Gates, we should definitly ask why they are not guarded by the Heavenly Host.

Angels are very obviously the biggest guys on the playground (unless God really is an overgrown Siddy and most of the power is facade and pretense) and they are the ones with the best reasons to guard it, but still, it seems to have been guarded by a succession of groups ending with the Winter Court...

Unless that question comes too close to what we promised not to ask. But in that case I'd vote to ask Uriel anyway, so he can give an answer that's safe for Big G.
 
Artemis1992 said:
On a different subject, if we ever find out about the Outer Gates, we should definitly ask why they are not guarded by the Heavenly Host.

Angels are very obviously the biggest guys on the playground (unless God really is an overgrown Siddy and most of the power is facade and pretense) and they are the ones with the best reasons to guard it, but still, it seems to have been guarded by a succession of groups ending with the Winter Court...

Unless that question comes too close to what we promised not to ask. But in that case I'd vote to ask Uriel anyway, so he can give an answer that's safe for Big G.
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Asking why angels do or do not do X does unfortunately fall under your promise
 
Artemis1992 said:
On a different subject, if we ever find out about the Outer Gates, we should definitly ask why they are not guarded by the Heavenly Host.

Angels are very obviously the biggest guys on the playground (unless God really is an overgrown Siddy and most of the power is facade and pretense) and they are the ones with the best reasons to guard it, but still, it seems to have been guarded by a succession of groups ending with the Winter Court...

Unless that question comes too close to what we promised not to ask. But in that case I'd vote to ask Uriel anyway, so he can give an answer that's safe for Big G.
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Angels could just be another type of Outsider and the Gates might not play well with them. That would be an interesting development.
 
Artemis1992 said:
On a different subject, if we ever find out about the Outer Gates, we should definitly ask why they are not guarded by the Heavenly Host.

Angels are very obviously the biggest guys on the playground (unless God really is an overgrown Siddy and most of the power is facade and pretense) and they are the ones with the best reasons to guard it, but still, it seems to have been guarded by a succession of groups ending with the Winter Court...

Unless that question comes too close to what we promised not to ask. But in that case I'd vote to ask Uriel anyway, so he can give an answer that's safe for Big G.
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In canon word of Jim there are a lot of realities and archangels at least are multiversal beings in that each one operates in that there is a single them across a stupid amount of realities. They could just have bigger problems than the one reality or the wheel of time analogy of the multiverse being a garden and each universe an individual grape or something.

Here it's obviously a different thing though.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Asking why angels do or do not do X does unfortunately fall under your promise
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Damn, our promise is more broad than I remembered:
DragonParadox said:
"The part of Uriel's message he asked me to give to you alone was a request. He said not to look into angels or heaven, or anything else that would reveal the mind of God in ways he does not mean to be revealed."
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Still, we got through our initial, most vulnerable phase. The Mentor is becoming less vital.
By the time we actually find out about the Outer Gates, we might re-evaluate our situation.
 
Frak

Edit: Extending on this it's been 5 days since we asked Murphy to let it go for now.

Arc 6 Post 27 (October 3, Current update is Oct 8)

"So I realize how big a request it is when I ask you to trust me here. No plan survives contact with the enemy, and the reason I want to avoid the details isn't because I don't trust you or respect your position. It's because something big just changed and just speaking about it could ruin things." Stomach twisting with nausea, you have always hated admitting weakness and getitng a magic crown had not made it any easier you add: "I'm going to ask that you let this go, for now, because I don't know precisely who or how many people it will be the difference between life and worse than death for yet. Just that it's more than one and I haven't had time to figure out where all the wrong ears are or how loud of a whisper would set them off."

Alas your plea falls of deaf ears, or maybe the head between them just thinks she and her new friends at the Library of Congress know better

"People or vam..." She cuts herself off. But it's not hard to guess what she had been about to say 'vampire' Who gives a shit about the souls of monsters, right? Thankfully you do not have Eiko's iron hard nails or you might have ripped off Black Rider's upholstery. "We'll talk about it later under Harry's wards." The detective says tightly, though her tone turns expectant on the name, hoping that he will provide more than a venue for this... interrogation
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DragonParadox said:
serious-faced and looking to lay down the law, Assistant principal Weis,
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No reason to be a buzzkill; she literally came in using her real first name, and Abietarius of Abiestrus Analytics is Carpenter in Latin. A language they teach at this school because it's Catholic.

She basically signed her name on the whole thing from the start.
Artemis1992 said:
I kinda wonder if it is just really that easy.

Look confindent, look like you belong, wear clothes that look like you belong, and people don't question it.

I could never pull that off, and if people IRL have pulled it off on me, I didn't notice.
But then again, I guess it must work, as there are real examples.

Anecdotally, someone managed to steal a bathroom-mirror from a library I was working in. Not a small one.
They must have just put that thing under their arm and walked out, no idea how.
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That was what I was leaning on with the write in. A clipboard and confident stride might as well be a security badge in an uncomfortable number of places.

Edit: missing punctuation.
 
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Not looking forward to talking to Murphy. Of course the most annoying bit is even if our only reason for the play fight was avoiding injury that would have been a valid reason all on it's own and it isn't as if Murphy could have killed it.

"The Yomi kings don't have servants they only have slaves. Slaves who often don't want to die. I didn't want to expend my strength or be injured before the major fight so I talked it into doing a pretend fight in return for me not killing it. Yes killing it might have been better, but I still had people depending on me."

It's a lie, but it's also close to the truth. Also if it gets out somehow then it will be revealed to be a lie. Also I think Murphy might be more willing to accept it then a long shot redemption plot.
 
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fictionfan said:
Not looking forward to talking to Murphy. Of course the most annoying bit is even if our only reason for the play fight was avoiding injury that would have been a valid reason all on it's own and it isn't as if Murphy could have killed it.
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The real issue is how far we take the paranoia with her. Even basic stuff like the fact that it was a play fight in the first place is technically dangerous for her to know under the rationale we had for not telling her in the first place.

We do need to tell her something though, and outright lying isn't a good idea.
 
OctarineShrike said:
Is it spinning the redeem eiko scheme being difficult, not having called her in 5 days making this awkward, disliking her as a character, something else?
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We didn't tell Charity for good reason and those reasons apply even more for Murphy. Also I don't think that she is going to find us going for a long shot redemption plot to be that good a reason.
 
fictionfan said:
Yes when it comes to Mab minor blackmail material might actually be more useful then major. The best would be something that she finds personally embarrassing, but doesn't actually threaten her position.
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Winter being winter makes this sort of difficult. Embarrassment is an invitation to challenge her at least a little for them.

There's also the issue that blackmail is a bad long term strategy. Mab knows how the game is played, she isn't going to let us hold something over her head forever without trying to do something about it, and she's very good at this sort of thing.

By my estimation we've come off about neutral with her, which is pretty good for a newbie playing with high fey.

An element of this relationship will be adversarial and will involve testing jabs, but we aren't ready to make this into an explicit fight and don't benefit from it anyway.

What we really need is minimum entanglement until we're actually capable of playing politics at her level without being easy to screw over.
 
fictionfan said:
Not looking forward to talking to Murphy. Of course the most annoying bit is even if our only reason for the play fight was avoiding injury that would have been a valid reason all on it's own and it isn't as if Murphy could have killed it.
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BronzeTongue said:
The real issue is how far we take the paranoia with her. Even basic stuff like the fact that it was a play fight in the first place is technically dangerous for her to know under the rationale we had for not telling her in the first place.

We do need to tell her something though, and outright lying isn't a good idea.
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I agree and honestly I think that bringing Murphy in at the beginning was a mistake, as I don't like having to defend our decisions to others at all (same reason I was irritated with Charity before). Not to mention her insistence on keeping everything above the law even when it would be better for everyone if she ignored it...

I understand that she has great retention qualities (and I even praised her around the time we were escaping Winter) but we're going to have to create more justifications for her, which if found out as lies could sour our relationship with her in the future (and already we intruded on Desden's private relationship with her), reasons she may not even accept, without having even the protection to prevent this information from getting out, ruined our plan and possible chance of rescuing a Yama King (and I really want to do that, it will be really an action worthy of an exalted).

It must be because I'm too individualistic and chaotic neutral to like a policeman so... correct.
 
[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (3/8)
 
[X] Get ready for your meeting with Queen of Winter Fae: prepare a suitable meeting place, and preemptively gather intel with your crown. Lydia's library and treasury probably have something that can be used as a focus; Harry might be able to suggest something too
 
In regards to Murphy: she had several days to process, talk to Harry and to her LoC handlers (she almost certainly had a proper debriefing with them), think of our actions and possible reasons behind them. Don't just assume she'll behave the same as in the middle of a high stakes crisis. She can be stubborn and stuck in her ways, but she's not stupid, and probably understands the concept of informational security.

In regards to Mab, I think the most important things to know are:
1) What does she think she knows about Molly and her power?
2) What does she want out of the meeting with Molly?
3) What is she planning to entice/coerce Molly with? Alternatively, what is she planning to pay Molly with?
4) What are the topics that she'll react with hostility to Molly discussing mentioning? It's essentially "what shouldn't we talk about?" but framed to avoid making our exaltation doing a value judgment.
5) As an extension goal, "what would Mab willing to pay Molly the most for?". I.e. what would Mab value most that she believes Molly has a chance of providing?

We also need to prepare a meeting place, and by prepare I mean seed it with crown foci. This is bit dangerous if done too overtly, since Gard probably shared Molly's scrying talent with Odin, and he might have shared with Mab.
 
We should have the meeting place be somewhere frozen. I expect that Mab also gets bonus dice from that, but that just means we are being hospitable.
 
Would it be worth it to invoke actual hospitality rules so that she is officially our guest during the negotiations? That should limit the shenanigans she can pull to some extent, force the negotiations to a less hostile base state, and allow for some measure of at least perceived power on our side of the table if we're hosting the negotiations.

Also, because people were talking about asking what Mab knows... Lash implied that her progenitor knows "exactly what we are," Uriel knew what we are, the Denarians have an enemy rating for us just because they know what we are, it seems like the sort of thing they would know about in general both from being among the oldest things in the setting and being connected to specifically hell and so connected to Infernal Exaltations specifically... and we know exactly where Lasciel's coin is being kept, which is a ridiculously strong Crown focus for pumping any information we want out of her, including whatever she knows about our power. And Lasciel probably knows more about what we are than Mab does. How about we spend 5 minutes at Harry's completely reversing the information disparity between us and Mab so that she no longer potentially knows more about our power than we do?
 
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