Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest

How difficult would it be to pass off the Resources variant of Regional Shields as DAoT Gellar tech? Considering that it is at least partially based on it and can be built without alien super materials.

Robinton said:

And as for the Grav Sphere - GM recently said that acquiring more planets improves our system's defenses, and Grav Sphere likely boost the Planetary Barges (slight suspicion discount maybe?), which definitively massively boost Planetary Acquisition.

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I'm not sure I follow. I'm studying the Grav Sphere, I just put Balkavus on Schematics instead of Grav Lance.

The Froggy Ninja said:

How difficult would it be to pass off the Resources variant of Regional Shields as DAoT Gellar tech? Considering that it is at least partially based on it and can be built without alien super materials.

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It would be fairly doable honestly, there are no local archmagos that specialize in gellar fields and even of those that do, well you are using DAoT principles so that complicates the things notably.

Kirbstomp said:

Suspicion: 15(start)-20(SDF)+15(schools)+20(Specialist)-5(Cadia)-5(Doctors)+20(Factory)+15(Singularity)-10(Church)-20(Orphanages) =25/100

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This is 5 to high as the 20(Factory) gets reduced by 5 by the citadel:
Suspicion: 15(start)-20(SDF)+15(schools)+20(Specialist)-5(Cadia)-5(Doctors)+15(Factory)+15(Singularity)-10(Church)-20(Orphanages) =20/100

Leon12431 said:

It would be fairly doable honestly, there are no local archmagos that specialize in gellar fields and even of those that do, well you are using DAoT principles so that complicates the things notably.

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And how interested in blueprints for such would they be?

The Froggy Ninja said:

And how interested in blueprints for such would they be?

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Both more and less than you would expect. The Ad Mech would be more interested in having the blueprints just because it's fancy tech than to actually use it outside of a handful of worlds that could pay the cost they would demand. So its more "fancy tech" than "useful tech" for the Ad Mech so that makes the value less than you would expect for something like this.

@Leon12431, several questions:

First, I want to confirm that completing the Grav Sphere should improve the Planetary Barges. I'm hoping for a slight effectiveness increase (or cost decrease), and a -5 suspicion (due to having an easy explanation for the tech: "it's DAoT!").

Second, how large of a buff is Implementing Information expected to be? Double all of Atraxas' effective stats? Does that just add an extra ~50 to every Action (barring Double Down), or does it do more?

Third, does Implementing Life and Ruin grant us more Exatari favor?

Fourth, does Invent Custom Defense Lasers for Shogi count as an action that would help repel the upcoming assault? Perhaps if you completed it then built a bunch of said Lasers?

Fifth, does Study Warp Navigation reduce our Contact Homeworld fail-chance?

Sixth, if we build a Planetary Barge and run Planetary Acquisition on the same turn, does the newly-built Barge affect the action?

Seventh, do our Extraction and Production both add directly to our Resource income or is it more complicated?

Thanks!

Let's suppose that Economic Studies shift the Net Income per Planet Acquired from 70 (80-10) to 100 (110-10).
Edit: Nope, it's baseline 40-10=30 income per planet.

Then suppose the Grav Sphere adds +1 planet acquired per Barge but doesn't change the cost. (Cost reduction would be nice...) Assume they do apply -5 suspicion.

Build a Barge - 5k Resources (ouch!), 500 Alloys (ouch), 2 Atraxas Actions (ok), 10 (15-5) Suspicion.
Planetary Acquisition - contribute one Atraxas Action for (45-90? Stewardship+Learning?) + 4d100 ~= 270, plus 6 Army Actions for 1d100 each ~= 303. That should reliably do it.
Results: an average of 11 planets, *100 resources/planet, = 1100 Resources per turn.

But the cost... Ouch. If we had a half-dozen turns it would be fine - since we'd just take Planetary Acquisition once per turn and get +1100 Resources per turn every turn practically for free. But we don't.

Planetary Acquisition without even a single Barge averages 3 planets or +300 Resources/turn, in exchange for (on average) one Atraxas Action and 5 Army Actions (on average). Still expensive. Still, extraplanetary resource exploitation takes 1 Action and grants +15 Resources/turn, so raw Planetary Acquisition might actually be worth taking since it gives something like +50 Resource/turn per Action spent...
(And, yes, this means I have shifted my opinion somewhat. Looking at the hard cold numbers can do that.)
Edit: ...And the numbers revision has returned me to my original opinion, at least mostly.

Robinton said:

First, I want to confirm that completing the Grav Sphere should improve the Planetary Barges. I'm hoping for a slight effectiveness increase (or cost decrease), and a -5 suspicion (due to having an easy explanation for the tech: "it's DAoT!").

Second, how large of a buff is Implementing Information expected to be? Double all of Atraxas' effective stats? Does that just add an extra ~50 to every Action (barring Double Down), or does it do more?

Third, does Implementing Life and Ruin grant us more Exatari favor?

Fourth, does Invent Custom Defense Lasers for Shogi count as an action that would help repel the upcoming assault? Perhaps if you completed it then built a bunch of said Lasers?

Fifth, does Study Warp Navigation reduce our Contact Homeworld fail-chance?

Sixth, if we build a Planetary Barge and run Planetary Acquisition on the same turn, does the newly-built Barge affect the action?

Seventh, do our Extraction and Production both add directly to our Resource income or is it more complicated?

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1) Grav Sphere will improve the Barge but to a minor degree, I think you might have gotten it confused with the Theorems that will notably improve grav tech. (Grav Sphere will add a new class of ship to the list, that will cost more but also provide more planets when used. The Theorems will upgrade both classes notably)
2) Double all of Atraxas' skills, improvements to Innovative actions, lowered DCs for learning new fields of study, further reduce the impact of criticals
3) No, implementation on the personal scale is far from planetary implementation
4) It would help as a final line of defense, but Atraxas would prefer to hold one of the system lines
5) Not applicable to communication with the Homeworld (that failure chance is more due to just the Homeworld being busy than anything mechanical going wrong or the warp being fucky. Only if you try to talk with them while powerful Chaos forces are in system do you actually have a chance of failing to send a message outright)
6) No, there is a turn lag for the Barges to apply (the things are massive ships there is no way to rationally build one in less than a turn)
7) Extraction is your Maximum income, but Production is how much of your Extraction you can turn to Resources per turn. In short 1 unit of Extraction uses 1 unit of Production to produce 1 unit of Resources. If your extraction overflows your Production the overflow goes into storage.

@Leon12431 , would we get tachyon tech from the tachyon computer (like tachyon guns)?

_Plague Doctor_ said:

@Leon12431 , would we get tachyon tech from the tachyon computer (like tachyon guns)?

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No, tachyon tech is very complex and generally limited. It's only good for material precog but it cant take into account warp stuff. It's very much a sensor tech field, it does not provide much beyond that it's why the DAoT did not really explore it. The Exatari are aware of tachyons but consider it mostly useless for that reason as well, they got basically nothing out of it and decided that it just wasn't worth funding it more.

going to close the vote at this point.

Fantastic. We're spending one of three gravus actions, making exactly zero progress on Information, needlessly doubling up on education and locking actions into DCs that will take several turns to grind down.

Leon12431 said:

1) Grav Sphere will improve the Barge but to a minor degree, I think you might have gotten it confused with the Theorems that will notably improve grav tech. (Grav Sphere will add a new class of ship to the list, that will cost more but also provide more planets when used. The Theorems will upgrade both classes notably)
2) Double all of Atraxas' skills, improvements to Innovative actions, lowered DCs for learning new fields of study, further reduce the impact of criticals
3) No, implementation on the personal scale is far from planetary implementation
4) It would help as a final line of defense, but Atraxas would prefer to hold one of the system lines
5) Not applicable to communication with the Homeworld (that failure chance is more due to just the Homeworld being busy than anything mechanical going wrong or the warp being fucky. Only if you try to talk with them while powerful Chaos forces are in system do you actually have a chance of failing to send a message outright)
6) No, there is a turn lag for the Barges to apply (the things are massive ships there is no way to rationally build one in less than a turn)
7) Extraction is your Maximum income, but Production is how much of your Extraction you can turn to Resources per turn. In short 1 unit of Extraction uses 1 unit of Production to produce 1 unit of Resources. If your extraction overflows your Production the overflow goes into storage.

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Now this is why I ask things. Because all of those answers make sense, but I would have guessed at least slightly wrong on every last one of them.

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Plan Grav Sphere
Calculation Heart(s) Assign to Atraxas

Improve The PDF
Private Army x1
Nameria
DC: 70
Roll: 2d100+18
Result: 86+18 = 104

Improve the SDF (Major)
Private Army x5
Nameria
Atraxas(M)
Harkar
Resource: 4000
Suspicion: -20
Upkeep: 400
DC: 500
Roll: 11d100+156+8
Result: 774 (overflow by far, second order artificial critical, plus a chance for Harkar to have a critical result of her own)

Establish Subsector Spies
Atraxas(I)
Nalka
DC: 62
Roll: 2d100+64
Result: 142

Heart Forge Autocomplete turn 7
Atraxas(P1)

Rebuilding the Schools
Atraxas(S)
Suspicion: 20
Resource: 1000
Upkeep; 100
DC: 500
Roll: 4d100+45
Result: 243
Rollover: 257

Specialist Expertise (Adeptus Mechanicus Anger Level: Low) (Imperial Creed Anger Level: Low) (Harkar has stated that this is something she would like)
Atraxas(P2)
Suspicion: 25
Resource: 300
Upkeep: 50
DC: 250
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 639 (Your education is off to a great start, Nameria is now very sad)

Economic Studies
(Effect: more fine control over the economy/production of Shogi, slightly reduced upkeep in several actions, Atraxas understands what currency is.)
Atraxas(P3)
Suspicion: 5
Resource: 5
DC: 50
Roll: 4d100+45
Result: 173 (3d order artificial critical)

Improve the Arbites
Urma 1st action
Suspicion: 0
Resource: 10
Upkeep: 25
DC: 50
Roll: 1d100+14
Result: 34+14 = 48 (This is just sad)

Contact Cadia directly
Atraxas(D)
Suspicion: -5
DC: 10
Roll: 1d100+45
Result: 42+45 = 87

the second stage of the diplomatic Corps
Akiona
Suspicion: 0
Resource: 100
Upkeep: 20
DC: 100
Roll: 1d100+20
Result: 84+20 = 100

Singularity Chamber (Learning)
(Effect: increases production to 1000 Resources and 400 Alloys, in the future can be upgraded to a variant Wellspring or Phase Forge. Will produce Unknown Laws 10, and 7 and Invoked Law Evolution at 1 per turn)
Atraxas(P4)
Suspicion: 20
Resource: 100 Exatari Alloys
DC: 50
Roll: 1d100+45+8 (off world so does not get bonuses from the Hearts yet)
Result: 46+45 = 91

Library Actualization
Life: When overspending actions lose a wound for every other action taken (1,3,5,7...), allows for much more effective healing devices and technology relating to mutant/abhumans (DC500)
Atraxas(P5)
Result: 100 + 99 + 98 + 93 + 90 + 87 + 85 + 79 + 79 + 78 + 45 + 8 = 941 (well you got a nat 100 on this which is not that great due to Atraxas being Atraxas, but its still useful)

Ruin: Increases Inversion Array bonus vs daemons from 2x to 3x, enables controlled sacrifices for gain, provides a pathway for anti chaos/ruin designs/actions (DC: 700)
Atraxas(P6)
Result: 94 + 92 + 91 + 88 + 71 + 67 + 42 + 36 + 35 + 34 + 45 + 8 = 703

Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 100
DC: 500 and 700 (not combined)
Rolls: 20d100k10+45+8 and 20d100k10+45+8

Tarakan Doctors
(Result: Will have a notable impact to the medical skill of Shogi, will see at least one birth per turn until 8, will prioritize the mission over quality of life, brutally honest doctors.)
Urma 2nd action
Suspicion: -5
Resource: 10
Upkeep: 20
DC: 100
Roll: 1d100+14
Result: 50
Rollover: 50

Contact Homeworld and trade our favour for 7 Calculation Hearts.
Atraxas(P7)
Favor: 50

Factory Investigation
(Effect: gain a good understanding of Shogi production facilities and unlock actions to improve them directly.)
Balkavus
Suspicion: 20
Resource: 50
DC: 250
Roll: 1d100+11 (I am honestly confused about this choice since it means that you basically lose Balkavus for ~4 turns, unless you throw Atraxas on this next turn or something)
Result: 88/250
Rollover: 162

Nanoplague
(Result: Unlocks Nanotechnology as a field for the Exatari to pursue in general, gives Atraxas a foundational understanding of the field, enables the Production of Nanoswarms that can undertake stewardship actions at a cheaper rate when assigned under an Advisor.)
Atraxas(L)
Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 10
DC: 1000
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 538
Rollover: 462

Strange Schematics
(Result: Improves Meta Shields, improves Exatari sensors, enables production of DAoT Gellar Fields, which are super stable but cripple ship speed)
Atraxas(P8)
Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 10
DC: 550
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 582

Grav Sphere
(Result: notable improvement to Atraxas understanding of gravity and how to manipulate it, notable improvement to all Exatari grav technologies, can unlock the Gravity Meta Library eventually)
Gravus
Atraxas(P9)
Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 10
DC: 600
Roll: 12d100+95+8
Secondary Gains: 2d10 Ad Mech Favor and DC65 for extra Gravus actions
Result: 685, 9 Favor, gained an Extra Gravus action

Study the Alloys
(Result: Enable production of Very Low Grade DAoT alloys in amounts useful on planetary scale. +1 VLG DAoT Alloys per turn)
Atraxas(P10)
Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 5
DC: 1000
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 683
Rollover: 317

Warp Sphere
(Result: notable improvement option for all warp systems for ships built post completion, will increase costs but have bonuses for extra costs, Atraxas will learn the basics of warp science and how warp systems work, this system is able to produce Invoked Laws for Atraxas)
Atraxas(P11)
Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 10
DC: 600
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 573
Rollover: 27

Study Warp Navigation
(Result: Exatari Infiltrators/Ships and other groups can transverse the warp on planned courses, improves Exatari warp communication systems, the basics of warp mathematics discovered, possible Library discovery chance. Unlocks future action to upgrade Imperial mechanical warp navigation systems)
Atraxas(P12)
Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 50
DC: 500
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 539 (artificial critical)

Donate to the local Church
Nameria
Suspicion: -10
Resource Cost: 25
DC: 20
Roll: 1d100+13
Result: 37

Donate to the Orphanages
Atraxas(F)
Suspicion: -10
Resource Cost: 50
DC: 50
Roll: 4d100+18
Result: 265

Design augments of Advisors
(Result: Advisor gains personal trait: Exatari Cybernetics: Increases lifespan by 200 years, increases bonus by 10, high results can have secondary bonuses)
Atraxas(P13)
Suspicion: 0
Resource Cost: 100
DC: N/A
Target: Harkar
Roll: 10d100+45+8
Result: 485 (Yeah this action was always super easy, but with the hearts it's stupid easy. Harkar is now even more OP)


Resources: 5845
100 Exatari Alloys
Personal actions 6+7 from wounds = 13

After citadel:
Suspicion: 15(start)-20(SDF)+15(schools)+20(Specialist)-5(Cadia)-5(Doctors)+15(Factory)+15(Singularity)-10(Church)-20(Orphanages) =20/100

The Froggy Ninja said:

Fantastic. We're spending one of three gravus actions, making exactly zero progress on Information, needlessly doubling up on education and locking actions into DCs that will take several turns to grind down.

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@Leon12431 Since Gravus is only mentioned once, is there any chance that you'd be willing to either have him tripling down on his assigned action, OR work on two other projects? (Luraia Introduction being an obvious one.)

Some rolls:

Design augments of Advisors - this one sounds fun. Edit: Atraxas has the "3 counts as 10" trait. Plus a bonus of 45+8. So we're looking at 385 +45+8 bonuses +7 (3 counts as 10 rule) = 445, which is horribly below average (558) but still amply sufficient.

Libraries: Life and Ruin, second and third. Rolls: 20d100k10+45+8 and 20d100k10+45+8.
Life: 100, 99, 98, 93, 90, 87, 85, 79, 79, 78, and 10 other discarded rolls. Total: 888, lol. Then add +45+8, for 941 total.
Ruin: 94, 92, 91, 88, 71, 67, 42, 36, 35, 34, and 10 other discarded rolls. Total: 650, ouch! Then add +45+8, for 703 total. We finished this one by the slimmest margin, due to me getting some truly terrible rolls. (Edit: perhaps only compared to the prior?)

I think I'm going to stop rolling now.

Warp Navigation Edit: I wrote the wrong reason for the dice, ignore that.

I call improve the army action!
Edit: I meant PDF, not both

Factory Investigation

Robinton said:

@Leon12431 Since Gravus is only mentioned once, is there any chance that you'd be willing to either have him tripling down on his assigned action, OR work on two other projects? (Luraia Introduction being an obvious one.)

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Huh? You dont need to use all his actions this turn they are passive favors until you call them in.

Also Atraxas sets rolls below 10 to 10. So that roll is actually 445.

Roll SDF

isn't singularity chamber auto-complete?
Economic studies

Roll Subsector Spies

Leon12431 said:

Huh? You dont need to use all his actions this turn they are passive favors until you call them in.

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Does this mean that, as things stand, he owes us "3 total actions across all future time"?

So that if we call them all in now, we won't have any left for later?

Robinton said:

Does this mean that, as things stand, he owes us "3 total actions across all future time"?

So that if we call them all in now, we won't have any left for later?

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You called him in on one action so two actions are left outstanding. Yes unless he dies you can call him in on 2 actions at any point in the future.