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The Eleventh Primarch (30K Quest)

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    • Drake Artorius

    Skills
    Governance (Level 4) = Legendary
    Diplomacy (Level 5) = Peerless
    Intrigue (Level 1) = Good
    Personal Combat (Level 4) = Legendary
    Ground Combat (Level 2) = Elite
    Naval Combat (Level 5) = Peerless
    Biomancy (Level 4) = Legendary
    Telepathy (Level 2) = Elite
    Divination (Level 2) = Elite
    Pyromancy (Level 2) = Elite
    Telekinesis (Level 2) = Elite
    Anathematic (Level 4) = Legendary
    Engineering (Level 4) = Legendary

    Traits
    Son of Excalibur = Drake Artorius is a true believer in the Federation of Bladus and the ideals that it stands for.
    Superhuman Charisma = Drake Artorius has inherited great charisma and persuasive ability from his progenitor.
    Little Anathema = Drake Artorius has an echo of his progenitor's antithetical nature to the Ruinous Powers. Immunity to Chaos, Minor Bonus to resisting Chaos for those around you.
    -Hated By Khorne = The Lord of Blood holds a special dislike for Drake Artorius and he and his servants will actively seek to claim his skull for the skull throne.
    -Hated by Slaanesh = The Prince of Pleasure holds a special dislike for Drake Artorius and they and their servants will actively seek to slay him wherever they can.
    Necron Knowledge = Drake Artorius made extensive study of the Necrons, the modern day legacy of the ancient Necrontyr. Major Bonus to fighting Necron forces & Minor Bonus to other interactions with Necron factions.
    Asuryani Knowledge = Drake Artorius has made complete study of the Craftworld Aeldari, the Asuryani. Major Bonus to fighting Asuryani forces & Major Bonus to other interactions with Asuryani factions.
    Drukhari Knowledge = Drake Artorius made some study of the Drukhari, the vile pirates and raiders of Commorragh. Minor Bonus to fighting Drukhari forces & Minor Bonus to other interactions with Drukhari factions.
    Aeldari Knowledge = Drake Artorius has made complete study of the minor Aeldari groups such as the Exodites, the Corsairs and the Harlequins. Major Bonus to fighting Aeldari forces & Major Bonus to other interactions with Aeldari factions
    Mechanicus Knowledge = Drake Artorius has made extensive study of the Mechanicus and its successor factions. Major Bonus to fighting Mechanicus forces & Minor Bonus to other interactions with Mechanicus factions.

    Preferences
    Passionate
    Divination
    Telepathy
    Biomancy

    Liked
    Personal Combat
    Naval Combat
    Pyromancy
    Telekinesis

    Interested
    Governance
    Engineering

    Not Interested
    Diplomacy
    Intrigue

    Disliked
    Ground Combat

    Hated
    None
     
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    • [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)
     
    [X] He sides with the Eldar. (Major penalty to Mechanicus relations, minor bonus to Eldar relations)

    Always thought the emperor crippled the empire when he left control of technology with the Mechanicus.
     
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)


    The risk we take is calculated.
     
    [X] He sides with the Eldar. (Major penalty to Mechanicus relations, minor bonus to Eldar relations)

    vsh said:
    The risk we take is calculated.
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    Time to see how bad we are at math :p (Sorry I couldn't resist such a perfect set up)

    On the off chance that we somehow managed to get that golden 20%. It's worth a shot I guess.
     
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    [X] He sides with the Eldar. (Major penalty to Mechanicus relations, minor bonus to Eldar relations)

    We don't always have to risk to have everything we want, sometimes is good to play it safe
     
    Hearing out both the side arguing that they don't want to be genocided and the side arguing that it's colonial expansion time might end up a diplomatic triumph but its got a 3 in 5 chance of upsetting, to some degree, the guys who just don't want to be murdered. The eldar will be living on a beautiful bountiful maiden world crafted by the eldar millenia ago and instead of colonising a less valuable world nearby the Mechanicus want to steal it and exploit the shit out of it.
     
    I have a thought: The mechanicus agree to not murder pillage the planet, and the Eldar have to stop threatening genocide every time they talk to us.
     
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)
     
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)
     
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)
     
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)
     
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)
     
    [X] He sides with the Eldar. (Major penalty to Mechanicus relations, minor bonus to Eldar relations)

    Maybe don't genocide the people who want to live peacefully?
     
    Guys, I really don't want to roll the dice in the situation, especially since the Mechanicus is decidedly in the wrong here (for wanting to exterminate the inhabitants) and I don't think it's worth it to try and find a peaceful solution with genocidal theocrats especially as we might risk alienating both of them.
     
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)

    I don't see why we shouldn't try to fix things peacefully, especially when we are more likely than not to succeed.
     
    ninjakirito6 said:
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)

    I don't see why we shouldn't try to fix things peacefully, especially when we are more likely than not to succeed.
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    In 3 out of the 5 possibilities listed in that option, we have the chance to incur a penalty towards the eldar whom we've been trying to improve our relations with for several rounds now all for an empire that we just met whose first major action towards us is to try an exterminate a planet inhabited by our allies. There is a time for diplomatic overtures, but this is not it.
     
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    ninjakirito6 said:
    [X] He attempts to resolve things peacefully. (20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations, 20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations, 20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations, 20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations)

    I don't see why we shouldn't try to fix things peacefully, especially when we are more likely than not to succeed.
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    I don't want to try and 'fix things peacefully' with people who have an explicit goal of commiting genocide. It's also mechanically quite bad:

    20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations - Worst of both worlds but extra bad.
    20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations - Worst of both worlds.
    20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations - Equivalent to siding with Eldar.
    20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations - Equivalent to siding with Mechanicus.
    20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus Eldar relations - Best of both worlds.

    Only a 20% chance of getting the best outcome, versus 40-60% of getting equivalent outcomes and 20-40% of getting a worse outcome, of which one of them involves supporting people who want to literally commit genocide.
     
    Shard said:
    I don't want to try and 'fix things peacefully' with people who have an explicit goal of commiting genocide. It's also mechanically quite bad:

    20% chance of major penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations - Worst of both worlds but extra bad.
    20% chance of minor penalty to both Mechanicus & Eldar relations - Worst of both worlds.
    20% chance of major penalty to Mechanicus relations & minor bonus to Eldar relations - Equivalent to siding with Eldar.
    20% chance of minor bonus to Mechanicus relations & major penalty to Eldar relations - Equivalent to siding with Mechanicus.
    20% of minor bonus to both Mechanicus Eldar relations - Best of both worlds.

    Only a 20% chance of getting the best outcome, versus 40-60% of getting equivalent outcomes and 20-40% of getting a worse outcome, of which one of them involves supporting people who want to literally commit genocide.
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    False, 20% of failing outright, 20% of annoying them and succeeding or failing but not angering them, 40% of putting our foot down and angering one, and 20% of outright success. We can always improve relations later.

    Stopping this war is worth some relation loss, and it would provide precedent for Mechanicus worlds not going full genocidal which will make interactions with future Mechanicus and convincing them easier. Unless you want to fight most Mechanicus Worlds we come across for the foreseeable future when we could be doing other things then I see no reason to not try.
     
    ninjakirito6 said:
    False, 20% of failing outright, 20% of annoying them and succeeding or failing but not angering them, 40% of putting our foot down and angering one, and 20% of outright success. We can always improve relations later.

    Stopping this war is worth some relation loss, and it would provide precedent for Mechanicus worlds not going full genocidal which will make interactions with future Mechanicus and convincing them easier. Unless you want to fight most Mechanicus Worlds we come across for the foreseeable future when we could be doing other things then I see no reason to not try.
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    Please explain to me as to how a 'minor penalty to relations' is not angering poeople.

    If we want a precedent for the Mechanicus not going full genocidal siding with the Eldar is the obvious option here. That has 100% chance of the Mechanicus not being able to commit genocide.

    The 'try and resolve things peacefully' has a 40% chance of us making the Eldar rightfully disgusted at us. Or in one sentence:

    "What the actual fuck you want us to make nice with the people who want to murder and enslave us all?"
     
    Mechanicus is a powerful faction. We shouldn't compromise our morals, but if we can shoot for an off-chance of successful resolution without pissing them off, I think let's do it.
     
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