Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] No, its too dangerous

We have just seen that they are preparing an ambush with both gunfire and Chi-based area attacks.
We can't protect a squishy mortal from that.

If she gets in the crossfire, she will almost certainly die, so we shouldn't take her there.
We aren't taking her into the crossfire. We are getting her department to do its job, and clearing out civilians .
 
We aren't taking her into the crossfire. We are getting her department to do its job, and clearing out civilians .
We have had regular warnings that our enemies are not just sitting around, waiting for us to attack.

If we start showing up with police-presence, they propably won't wait till we are done with the prepwork.
 
If we contact Murphy, it wouldn't just be in her capacity as a SI member, but also as a potential agent of the Library of Congress.

Is that something we want? Do y'all think we could make use of their assistance?
 
I also feel it is a good idea to give SI a heads up about what is likely going to happen shortly, regardless of if they get involved, since dealing with the aftermath of supernaturals throwing down is likely to land on their desks.
 
Since the ritual is preset to go off automatically, and they are banking on it, and are giving up their sanity temporarily, the idea of twisting the ritual on itself should be back on the table.
I'm concerned about playing with it directly while we're in the area. Seems like the sort of thing that risks increasing our exposure to it.

If the ritual is set to go off automatically, then it should have targets and focuses set already.

If that's actually the case, I'd prefer to start killing the relevant people now. We are under zero obligation to play nice; the Akuma haven't met even the most basic good faith standards of supernatural conflict resolution, so they can't even credibly pretend to have had above board intentions later.

Remote killings would be ideal, but we could also try favor trading or hiring mercenaries too. Thomas has some connections we could leverage even beyond the white court.

Keeping to their time table is to their advantage.
 
I'm concerned about playing with it directly while we're in the area. Seems like the sort of thing that risks increasing our exposure to it.

If the ritual is set to go off automatically, then it should have targets and focuses set already.

If that's actually the case, I'd prefer to start killing the relevant people now. We are under zero obligation to play nice; the Akuma haven't met even the most basic good faith standards of supernatural conflict resolution, so they can't even credibly pretend to have had above board intentions later.

Remote killings would be ideal, but we could also try favor trading or hiring mercenaries too. Thomas has some connections we could leverage even beyond the white court.

Keeping to their time table is to their advantage.
Which is why we call Dresden and ask him to handle the hijacking. Probably send our ghouls with him as bodyguards.
 
The answer is swift as it is disquieting to hear in a voice you had never heard with your ears and yet know to be the unlucky J's own: To become strong enough to stand beside my beloved without withering, without fading.

Well then, that motivation is both better than expected and somehow worse simultaneously as the fundamental reasoning for why he is attempting to do is something which fits a quote from Mab quite aptly along with being potentially quite difficult to dissuade from. Still it does beg into question if there is anything Molly could J so that he can stand beside his beloved with fading.

And J... Well, at least he has a better motivation than expected. Shame we don't have Inner Devils charm - we could have turned him around. The motivation makes it complicated to tell the spirit of him being alive - because he's not exactly betraying her for power.

He is not betraying her for power as you said. He is fundamentally going after a dangerous action solely because of one motivating factor. His love for her. Which is dangerous and useful information to know as what people may do for love in this world is quite large. As noted below.

Queen Mab: For love men will mutilate themselves and murder rivals. For love will even a peaceful man go to war. For Love, man will destroy himself, and do so willingly."

[X] No, its too dangerous
 
Ouch... So, this was unlucky. I won't say we burned the book for nothing - learning that we can't create our own crown foci without possibility of glitching was important.
Honestly I think its more than that: I suspect that even succeeding that roll would have gotten nothing because there was no genuine connection between the target and the book that didn't come from Molly and thus to follow it would require the Crown to look inward. And it has no Insight score, no inward facing eyes.
 
Ultimately this comes down to "do we trust Karrin Murphy to be intelligent non-sucicidal adult?" If yes, we should definitely inform SI. And do so in detail. As in "there are these guys, they are capable of these things, I am planning on confronting them. I could use your help in minimizing civilian casualties, but don't even think about confronting them - you are not equipped for this". SI, if nothing else, can talk to some paramedics and be ready to arrive the moment after we are done fighting, to smooth things over, and handle whatever destruction there is.
Honestly I think its more than that: I suspect that even succeeding that roll would have gotten nothing because there was no genuine connection between the target and the book that didn't come from Molly and thus to follow it would require the Crown to look inward. And it has no Insight score, no inward facing eyes.
Yeah, possibly. In this case, the book could probably have been used as a focus for "who else has this text?" or something like this.
 
Ultimately this comes down to "do we trust Karrin Murphy to be intelligent non-sucicidal adult?" If yes, we should definitely inform SI. And do so in detail. As in "there are these guys, they are capable of these things, I am planning on confronting them. I could use your help in minimizing civilian casualties, but don't even think about confronting them - you are not equipped for this". SI, if nothing else, can talk to some paramedics and be ready to arrive the moment after we are done fighting, to smooth things over, and handle whatever destruction there is.
I don't believe our enemies will be passive enough to allow Karin Murphy or the SI the choice of engaging them or not.

And that's all I have to say on the topic.
 
[X] Yes, you would need her authority to clear up bystanders

Murphy is a big girl who can make her own decisions
 
To become strong enough to stand beside my beloved without withering, without fading.

...Oh.

Well, we'll offer him a better thing then if needed, but damn is he an idiot in the how, did he not think about how she would react to learning he fakes his death? Not to mention that they would never let him be free if it works. He probably got duped by the akumas in addition to intimidated.

you are going to have to find another way to get into the head of Emma-O.

Here's my proposition: Use a bullet, in fact, use a lot of bullets, preferably high caliber, should be perfect to go right into their heads then get things out.

What do you mean, not what you meant?

[x] Yog
 
"There are no guns, you have seen nothing amiss. The stains were not blood, there is nothing to worry about. You have seen nothing." Such is the power of the Mandate of Heaven twisted and defiled,
So is this just level 3 authority meaning that the clerk remembers the blood, death and gun shots. She has just been convinced that Lady Eiko is a legitime authority who has told her to keep her mouth shut. Like say a high level FBI or something.

Or is she using the much higher level Voice of the Emperor 8 to actually convince the lady of the truth of her words?
 
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Well then, that motivation is both better than expected and somehow worse simultaneously as the fundamental reasoning for why he is attempting to do is something which fits a quote from Mab quite aptly along with being potentially quite difficult to dissuade from. Still it does beg into question if there is anything Molly could J so that he can stand beside his beloved with fading.
Eh, I don't see it as particularly redeeming. Everyone has a reason, but that doesn't make it a justification.

Attack on us aside, he's abetting people who he should have every reason to know are monstrous killers hurt innocent people.

Which is why we call Dresden and ask him to handle the hijacking. Probably send our ghouls with him as bodyguards.
My main gripe is the timing. Having a dramatic confrontation where we subvert their ritual at the last minute is dumb, it just helps them continue to stack the deck.

We should be attacking them when they're not prepared for us, and killing anyone we can get our hands on without kicking off the main event.

I don't even want to set foot in their kill box if we can at all help it.
 
I don't believe our enemies will be passive enough to allow Karin Murphy or the SI the choice of engaging them or not.

And that's all I have to say on the topic.
We don't need them engaging. We need them to be standing ready and informed to handle the fallout.


My main gripe is the timing. Having a dramatic confrontation where we subvert their ritual at the last minute is dumb, it just helps them continue to stack the deck.

We should be attacking them when they're not prepared for us, and killing anyone we can get our hands on without kicking off the main event.

I don't even want to set foot in their kill box if we can at all help it.
There's a misunderstanding here. I don't propose a last minute confrontation. My understanding is that large parts of the ritual have already been set up. Dresden can go visit leylines now and meddle without ever directly interacting with Wan Kuei. Then, when the ritual goes off, when we confront them, it'll backfire on them. @DragonParadox am I understanding this correctly?
 
We don't need them engaging. We need them to be standing ready and informed to handle the fallout.



There's a misunderstanding here. I don't propose a last minute confrontation. My understanding is that large parts of the ritual have already been set up. Dresden can go visit leylines now and meddle without ever directly interacting with Wan Kuei. Then, when the ritual goes off, when we confront them, it'll backfire on them. @DragonParadox am I understanding this correctly?

Assuming you can do it without being noticed that could work, though that being said there is a decent chance the akuma will notice and then you have a fight on your hands .
 
Assuming you can do it without being noticed that could work, though that being said there is a decent chance the akuma will notice and then you have a fight on your hands .
This implies that they have guards at all leylines.

Still, if they can notice, then sending Dresden to meddle with ghoul backup and going in for a confeontation as soon as he starts his thing seems the best option.
 
This implies that they have guards at all leylines.

Still, if they can notice, then sending Dresden to meddle with ghoul backup and going in for a confeontation as soon as he starts his thing seems the best option.

They would not have to guard all the ley lines, just have some means of feeling in some way that they are being tampered with. Of course Harry would do his best not to be too obvious so it would be a test of skill against whoever set this up.
 
There's a misunderstanding here. I don't propose a last minute confrontation. My understanding is that large parts of the ritual have already been set up. Dresden can go visit leylines now and meddle without ever directly interacting with Wan Kuei. Then, when the ritual goes off, when we confront them, it'll backfire on them. @DragonParadox am I understanding this correctly?
Slightly better, though I'd prefer to also be screwing with them constantly leading up to that.

Maybe that should be part of our plan if we go with a ritual. Stack up distractions and launch rolling attacks to confuse what's happening.
meddle with ghoul backup and going in for a confeontation as soon as he starts his thing seems the best option.
The ghouls will probably get eaten alive by combat at this level. At minimum they need some way better equipment to even try.
 
They would not have to guard all the ley lines, just have some means of feeling in some way that they are being tampered with. Of course Harry would do his best not to be too obvious so it would be a test of skill against whoever set this up.
Unless they have a way to teleport to them, they'd have to move there from their base of operation. And ambushing them on the go is probably safer than at their base.

So, setup some distance away from their base. Have Dresden start meddling. If they react, attack. If not, attack once he finishes.
 
Unless they have a way to teleport to them, they'd have to move there from their base of operation. And ambushing them on the go is probably safer than at their base.

So, setup some distance away from their base. Have Dresden start meddling. If they react, attack. If not, attack once he finishes.

There is a discipline for teleporting along the Dragon Lines.
 
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