Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I don't like how micromanage-ey this plan it.

Bella is obviously not an idiot, she understands the fundamentals of the Masquarade, we don't have to specify that to her.

And putting her on math tutoring is a bad fit for her personality. She's not going to enjoy it and she'll chafe.
Put her to work mapping out the social network of those bullies we agreed to deal with, that sort of kid's first spy op sounds more up her alley. Then we can have her run her ideas of how to deal with the situation by us. We'll be able to catch anything too extreme, and we'll also get some insight into how her mind works and what her predispositions are.
 
I don't like how micromanage-ey this plan it.

Bella is obviously not an idiot, she understands the fundamentals of the Masquarade, we don't have to specify that to her.

And putting her on math tutoring is a bad fit for her personality. She's not going to enjoy it and she'll chafe.
Put her to work mapping out the social network of those bullies we agreed to deal with, that sort of kid's first spy op sounds more up her alley. Then we can have her run her ideas of how to deal with the situation by us. We'll be able to catch anything too extreme, and we'll also get some insight into how her mind works and what her predispositions are.
I agree with the first, but the winning vote actually seems more useful for limiting her spying on us.

As for the second I also agree it seems odd to assign her as a math tutor. Also it is likely to make our group dynamic at school weird.
 
I don't like how micromanage-ey this plan it.

Bella is obviously not an idiot, she understands the fundamentals of the Masquarade, we don't have to specify that to her.

And putting her on math tutoring is a bad fit for her personality. She's not going to enjoy it and she'll chafe.
Put her to work mapping out the social network of those bullies we agreed to deal with, that sort of kid's first spy op sounds more up her alley. Then we can have her run her ideas of how to deal with the situation by us. We'll be able to catch anything too extreme, and we'll also get some insight into how her mind works and what her predispositions are.
You might be right, though we don't actually know if she's good at math, or social stuff. I mean, she's a white court vampire. That's all we know about her.

Not sure. Math tutoring doesn't sit right with me too - we can do better on iur own, by using ccc and bsm to learn better and faster. I consider it more of a casual joke comment to break her expectations. I don't want this relationship be "a god queen of hell ordering her soul bound slave around". Way too heavy. Eventually I want this to be a more modern and healthier relationship. Not sure how to convey this. I might drop it in the morning.
 
In reference to a previous mention of Mab's age, she's less than two thousand years old:

Is Nic older than Mab?
He is.​

As Nic is at most that age.

That was pretty gutsy of the kid considering where we left off last time.


This is wrong, or at least inaccurate.

Evil is at least to some extent a subjective evaluation, and there's plenty of reason to think Mab is by many standards, but she isn't a demon lord and her reason to protect reality isn't to keep her storage unit clean.



From a certain, and very reductive, perspective Mab is a supernatural paperclipper who's value function is keeping Outsiders on their side of the gates.

Mab is cold, calculating, and ruthless. She still feels emotions, and acts on them at times, but her overriding concern is the business of fulfilling Winter's purpose.

Maeve is the embodiment of the sort of venal cruelty and sadism you're talking about.

No, Mab is also deliberately cruel on top of that. The emotions she has on top are what makes her extra evil. See:

Would someone in Mab's weight class be capable of taking a White Court demon out of a vampire?
Oh, absolutely. She could rip that thing right out of Thomas. Not that there would be much of Thomas left after she was done. Mab's not particularly gentle that way. It's possible that there might be some way to get out of it, maybe, but what fun would that be?​

This is specifically Mab for whom the cruelty is the point, when considered in combination with this:

Mab, for example, is Mab. She /can't/ show up and suddenly be merciful, generous, patient and kind. It would never so much as occur to her to do so, because it isn't a fundamental part of her nature, and she /can't/ choose to change it. She simply isn't capable. She doesn't have free will in the same way that people do. It's related to the difference between having a soul and not having a soul, as well. Without a soul, you aren't free to choose how you will shape that soul. You just stay what you are.​
 
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You might be right, though we don't actually know if she's good at math, or social stuff. I mean, she's a white court vampire. That's all we know about her.

Not sure. Math tutoring doesn't sit right with me too - we can do better on iur own, by using ccc and bsm to learn better and faster. I consider it more of a casual joke comment to break her expectations. I don't want this relationship be "a god queen of hell ordering her soul bound slave around". Way too heavy. Eventually I want this to be a more modern and healthier relationship. Not sure how to convey this. I might drop it in the morning.

At the end of the day, Bella very much sounds like a bit of an adrenaline junkie, and to improve our relationship we're gonna have to put her in situations where she can indulge in that part of her character - you don't ask Peter Parker to stop being Spider Man.
'Break up a high school bullying ring' is very, very small potatoes, but it does let her feel like she's Up To Something and it lets us see what she's like in a fairly safe and controlled setting where the stakes are low.

I think at the end of the day, Bella wants to become renowned, and the way to earn her loyalty is to give her an outlet to satisfy that desire (what she wants) in a way that makes the world a better place (what we want).

As to our relationship, something like a mentor figure / big sister is probably what we should aim for. And if we want to apply pressure to her, to start her questioning some of the baseline assumptions that she'd probably got as a White Court vampire who has been steeped in the supernatural side of her heritage... well, we have a crown that can answer any question, including where she might find True Love. It seems to have worked for Thomas.
 
In reference to a previous mention of Mab's age, she's less than two thousand years old:

Is Nic older than Mab?
He is.​

As Nic is at most that age.



No, Mab is also deliberately cruel on top of that. The emotions she has on top are what makes her extra evil. See:

Would someone in Mab's weight class be capable of taking a White Court demon out of a vampire?
Oh, absolutely. She could rip that thing right out of Thomas. Not that there would be much of Thomas left after she was done. Mab's not particularly gentle that way. It's possible that there might be some way to get out of it, maybe, but what fun would that be?​

This is specifically Mab for whom the cruelty is the point, when considered in combination with this:

Mab, for example, is Mab. She /can't/ show up and suddenly be merciful, generous, patient and kind. It would never so much as occur to her to do so, because it isn't a fundamental part of her nature, and she /can't/ choose to change it. She simply isn't capable. She doesn't have free will in the same way that people do. It's related to the difference between having a soul and not having a soul, as well. Without a soul, you aren't free to choose how you will shape that soul. You just stay what you are.​
She isn't kind, and she can be cruel, but but her primary goal is still to protect reality.

I think her general morality is more complicated than you do, but none of that changes the dynamic of her relationship with existence here.

She could not even hypothetically choose to forgo protecting the world in favor of just serving her own interests if it was physically possible to do so, it's "just" that the definition of saving the world she was given doesn't place a lot of value on people's lives.

Go read some of Maeve's horrible behavior if you want to see real petty and pointless cruelty. If Mab acted like her or Emma-O DF earth would be an immensely worse place to live than it is.
 
She isn't kind, and she can be cruel, but but her primary goal is still to protect reality.

I think her general morality is more complicated than you do, but none of that changes the dynamic of her relationship with existence here.

She could not even hypothetically choose to forgo protecting the world in favor of just serving her own interests if it was physically possible to do so, it's "just" that the definition of saving the world she was given doesn't place a lot of value on people's lives.

Go read some of Maeve's horrible behavior if you want to see real petty and pointless cruelty. If Mab acted like her or Emma-O DF earth would be an immensely worse place to live than it is.

.... There is a reason for why the Summer Court exists to keep in check the Winter Court and specifically keep Mab in check for the safety of humanity as noted by Mother Summer. Which is deriving from the fact that Mab is not a good entity. They are the MAD policy to always prevents a Winter Queen from turning their forces on the World of humanity and prevent them from enacting actions overly detrimental for mortals. Indicating that if they did not do so, Mab"s actions would be far worse than it currently is, something that is bad when already her actions are quite dark.

In essence," Mother Summer said. She stared sadly out over the plain. "Did you think Mab spent all her days sitting in her chair and dealing with her backstabbing courtiers? No, Sir Knight. Power has purpose."

"What happens if they get in?" I asked.

Mother Summer's lips thinned. "Everything stops. Everything."

I felt like I'd been hit repeatedly in the head with a rubber hammer. "So . . . Mab's troops outnumber yours by a jillion."

"Indeed."

"So she could run you over at any time."

"She could," Mother Summer said, "if she were willing to forfeit reality."

I scanned the length of the wall nervously. It looked like it went on forever-and there was fighting all along its length.

"You're telling me that this is why Mab has her power? To . . . to protect the borders?"

"To protect all of you from the Outsiders, mortal."

"Then why does Titania have hers?" I asked.

"To protect all of you from Mab."

I swallowed. -Cold Days

Summer embraces summer and spring, the winter court embraces fall and winter. They both have kind of different purposes in the Dresden Files universe with the winter court's purpose being to protect the mortal world from threats that might come from outside of it and the summer court's purpose being to protect the mortal world from the winter court because they just have attitude problems.
 
There is a reason for why the Summer Court exists to keep in check the Winter Court and specifically keep Mab in check for the safety of humanity as noted by Mother Summer. Which is deriving from the fact that Mab is not a good entity. They are the MAD policy to always prevents a Winter Queen from turning their forces on the World of humanity and prevent them from enacting actions overly detrimental for mortals. Indicating that if they did not do so, Mab"s actions would be far worse than it currently is, something that is bad when already her actions are quite dark.
That's a fair point, but Winter could get away with a lot more than they do on that front. Just picking more damaging methods of peddling influence would make things worse.

See the Unseelie Accords; they're obvious Winter influence peddling, but Winter could have taken a fair swing at more exploitative mechanisms than the international standards they did set if they bothered to do anything at all.

I'm not saying they're misunderstood heroes or anything, because they're very obviously not, but there is something more here than mustache twirling sadists with an important day job*.

This is all secondary though, because the point I was making was that the claim that Mab only cares about reality because it's where she keeps her stuff was wrong. Which it is; guarding the gates is why they exist. Even if a feasible alternative existed Mab not only couldn't take it, her mantle has spent the last thousand years making her into someone who can't even desire to.


* Not that they don't have those in bulk, but it's not the end of the story.
 
That's a fair point, but Winter could get away with a lot more than they do on that front. Just picking more damaging methods of peddling influence would make things worse.

See the Unseelie Accords; they're obvious Winter influence peddling, but Winter could have taken a fair swing at more exploitative mechanisms than the international standards they did set if they bothered to do anything at all.

I'm not saying they're misunderstood heroes or anything, because they're very obviously not, but there is something more here than mustache twirling sadists with an important day job*.

This is all secondary though, because the point I was making was that the claim that Mab only cares about reality because it's where she keeps her stuff was wrong. Which it is; guarding the gates is why they exist. Even if a feasible alternative existed Mab not only couldn't take it, her mantle has spent the last thousand years making her into someone who can't even desire to.


* Not that they don't have those in bulk, but it's not the end of the story.

Or they're simply the most explorative mechanism that Mab could impose with Titania and other rivals acting as counterweights.

After all, the force guarding the Outer Gates have been replaced before, which makes it seem quite possible it could be replaced again.

Note that Mother Summer doesn't say that Mab is unable to forfeit reality, but unwilling. That tells us that it's a question of will, which means the ability to make that decision is within the scope of her limited free will.

After all, if the mortal world died, even if Mab survived, her favourite toys would all be broken.
 
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My thinking is simple: Mab may be the biggest, meanest, and coldest of all bitches to the "inside" beings, as "Mab" is always the scariest of Winter (aside from Mother, but she can't atc almost never and never in the mortal world risk destroying it, so...), but when it comes to protecting the gates, all bets are off, as that's specifically what "Mab's" mantle was created for, and nothing but Nemesis is going to change that. (I'm sure a corrupted Winter Queen is a thing that makes the Winter Mother let go of her hands and of all high-level faerie authorities, she was the only one who never was replaced by a successor.)

Winter leaving the duty of protecting the Gates to another could happen, but it would need something on the level of the White God turning off the faucet of the gods and leaving those who will be left too weak to be the main protector, as it happened, that is, something on the level of a change of Age.

Improvel to happen in the scope of the quest.
 
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So question are we willing to trade in the gossamer to get rid of winter's enmity? I am generally ok with the idea mostly because I can't think of many things that we could do with that that we couldn't manage without it.
 
At the end of the day, Bella very much sounds like a bit of an adrenaline junkie, and to improve our relationship we're gonna have to put her in situations where she can indulge in that part of her character - you don't ask Peter Parker to stop being Spider Man.
'Break up a high school bullying ring' is very, very small potatoes, but it does let her feel like she's Up To Something and it lets us see what she's like in a fairly safe and controlled setting where the stakes are low.

I think at the end of the day, Bella wants to become renowned, and the way to earn her loyalty is to give her an outlet to satisfy that desire (what she wants) in a way that makes the world a better place (what we want).

As to our relationship, something like a mentor figure / big sister is probably what we should aim for. And if we want to apply pressure to her, to start her questioning some of the baseline assumptions that she'd probably got as a White Court vampire who has been steeped in the supernatural side of her heritage... well, we have a crown that can answer any question, including where she might find True Love. It seems to have worked for Thomas.
I didn't get that feeling from her? I mean, she was excited about what amounts to probably one of, if not the most socially important events in her life, an big transformative moment that would change her completely. It's a coming of age ceremony and getting superpowers at the same time, plus it's a murder. Almost anyone would be excited about it.

Also, she's not a Raith. She isn't interacting with True Love. She is repulsed by and harmed by Hope. Which is a long-term issue, really, since as a resident Sailor Nuclear Hell Princess we are rather likely to bring a lot of hope to people in the course of what amounts to superheroics.

I'll remove the math tutoring. It's another obligation on our part (to be tutored), and we have a lot already.


[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on her, with Empathy excellency and All Things Betray. You need to know, what you are actually dealing with, here.

[X] Set some ground rules
-[X] No permanent harm to people at the school. Not unless there's genuine danger to life, like a rape attempt, and she can't handle the situation without it. And you'll be checking by the the spirit of the rules, not the wording. You are not a fey.
-[X] No talking about supernatural stuff to make your life hard.

[X] Maybe you could make use of her
-[X] Explain more about the unseen world to Izzy and Alec, from a...novel perspective
-[X] Explain the story of the almost-deadly selfy from two months ago. Ask her to make sure that the responsible people would not bully their juniors again anytime soon. She has plenty of time to get to know people here and make a plan, no rush.

On the subject of Mab's character, here is the most relevant part of Ghost Story:
"You attempted to cheat the Queen of Air and Darkness," Mab hissed. "You practiced a vile, wicked deception upon me, my knight." Her inhuman eyes glittered. "I expected no less of you. Were you not strong enough to cast such defiance into my teeth, you would be useless to my purposes." Her smile widened. "To our purposes now."

The very ground seemed to quiver, to let out an unthinkably low, deep, angry growl.

Mab's eyes snapped to Demonreach. "I have his oath, ancient one. What he has given is mine by right, and you may not gainsay it. He is mine to shape as I please."

"Dammit," I said tiredly. "Dammit."

And a voice—a very calm, very gentle, very rational voice whispered in my ear, "Lies. Mab cannot change who you are."

I struggled and twitched my fingers. "Five," I muttered, "Six. Seven. Heh." I couldn't help it. I laughed again. It hurt like hell and it felt wonderful. "Heh. Heh."

Mab had gone very still. She stared at me with wide eyes, her alien face void of expression.

"No," I said then, weakly. "No. Maybe I'm your knight. But I'm not yours."

Emerald fire flickered in her eyes, cold and angry. "What?"

"You can't make me your monster," I slurred. "Doesn't work. And you know it."

Mab's eyes grew colder, more distant. "Oh?"

"You can make me do things," I said. "You can mess with my head. But all that makes me is a thug." The effort of so many words cost me. I had to take a moment to rest before I continued. "You wanted a thug; you get that from anywhere. Lloyd Slate was a thug. Plenty where he came from."

Demonreach's burning eyes flickered, and a sense of something like cold satisfaction came from the cloaked giant.

"Said it yourself: need someone like me." I met Mab's eyes with mine and curled my upper lip into a sneer. "Go on. Try to change me. The second you do, the second I think you've played with my head or altered my memory, the first time you compel me to do something, I'll do the one thing you can't have in your new knight." I lifted my head a little, and I knew that I must have looked a little crazy as I spoke. "I'll do it. I'll follow your command. And I will do nothing else. I'll make every task you command one you must personally oversee. I'll have the initiative of a garden statue. And do you know what that will give you, my queen?"

Her eyes burned. "What?"

I felt my own smile widen. "A mediocre knight," I said. "And mediocrity, my queen, is a terrible, terrible fate."

Her voice came forth from lips so cold that frost began forming on them. The next drop of water to fall on me thumped gently, a tiny piece of sleet. "Do you think I cannot punish you for such defiance? Do you think I cannot visit such horrors upon those you love as to create legends that last a thousand years?"

I didn't flinch. "I think you've got too much on your plate already," I spat back. "I think you don't have the time or the energy to spare to fight your own knight anymore. I think you need me, or you wouldn't have gone to all the trouble of keeping me alive for this long, of taxing your strength this much to get it done. You need me. Or else why are you here? In Chicago? In May?"

Again, the inhuman eyes raked at mine. But when she spoke, her voice was very, very soft and far more terrible than a moment before. "I am not some mortal merchant to be bargained with. I am not some petty president to be argued with. I am Mab."

"You are Mab," I said. "And I owe you a debt for preserving my life. For giving me the power I needed to save my daughter's life. Don't think that I have forgotten that."

The faerie's expression finally changed. She frowned and tilted her head slightly, as if puzzled. "Then why this defiance? When you know I will take vengeance for it?"

"Because my soul is my own," I said quietly. "You cannot steal it from me. You cannot change it. You cannot buy it. I am mine, Mab. I have fought long and hard against horrors even you would respect. I have been beaten, but I have not yielded. I'm not going to start yielding now. If I did, I wouldn't be the weapon you need."

Her eyes narrowed.

"I will be the Winter Knight," I told her. "I will be the most terrifying Knight the Sidhe Courts have ever known. I will send your enemies down in defeat and make your power grow." I smiled again. "But I do it my way. On my terms. When you give me the task, I'll decide how it gets done—and you'll stay out of the way and let me work. And that's how it's going to be."

After a long silent moment, she said, "You dare give commands to me, mortal?"

"I can't control you," I said. "I know that. But I can control me. And I've just told you the only way you get what you want out of me." I shrugged a little. "Up to you, my queen. But think about whether you want another thug to command or an ally to respect. Otherwise, you might as well start cutting on me right here, right now, and get yourself somebody with less backbone."

The Queen of Air and Darkness stared down at me for silent moments. Then she said, "You will never be my ally. Not in your heart."

"Probably not," I said. "But I can follow the example of my godmother. I can be a trusted enemy. I can work with you."

Mab's pale white eyebrows lifted and her eyes gleamed. "I will never trust you, wizard." And then she rose abruptly and let my head fall back to the earth. She walked away, her silken gown hanging limply upon her insect-thin frame. "Prepare yourself."
And then you have to remember three things:
1) Mab cannot lie. She can twist her words with the best of them, but she can't lie
2) Mab used to be a mortal
3) Mother Winter is far older than Mab

What does this mean? It means that Mab has most likely heard "She is mine to shape as I please." from Dresden's perspective, only there were no words whispered into her ear by Uriel. And the shaper might have been even crueler and more alien still than her. Mab is as much of a slave to Winter Law as Molly or Dresden are; much more so, even. And she genuinely believed (before talking to Dresden then) that it was her right and within her ability to shape and change her vassals; likely she genuinely believes that it is Mother Winter's (or at least Mab's mantle) right and ability to change and shape her. Mab has lost to her mantle a long time ago. She is a terrifying being, supremely dangerous, very intelligent, very powerful. But she is likely a mediocre Winter Queen for she has been reduced to barely be a function of her mantle. She doesn't add to it, doesn't defy it when and where she can. And that's what mortal bearers of the mantles are for, after all. At least that's my opinion.

Also, importantly, Mab tells Dresden "I will never trust you". She believes that. Take it as you will, but if we ever deal with Mab, know - unless we are her broken slave, she will never trust us. Likely, she can't trust anyone, or at least anyone who hasn't been completely broken and reshaped by her. Any "shows of good will" she makes will always be made with the expectation of betrayal in her mind.
So question are we willing to trade in the gossamer to get rid of winter's enmity? I am generally ok with the idea mostly because I can't think of many things that we could do with that that we couldn't manage without it.
Possible, yes. I think it's a good backup plan for now. If we can't get rid of the enmity in other ways, we should get rid of it this way. We probably should use the gossamer as a focus before handling it over, to find where we could find more.

Obviously the best solution would be to not have to use it.
 
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So question are we willing to trade in the gossamer to get rid of winter's enmity? I am generally ok with the idea mostly because I can't think of many things that we could do with that that we couldn't manage without it.
Thinking the gossamer is a little to good to waste on enemies we already could wreck. My current idea is to use it as the core of a new god to replace the dragon Michael killed. Getting a minion with control over a fundamental part of the world.
 
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That was pretty gutsy of the kid considering where we left off last time.

She is naturally cocky when it comes to beings of power because the last time she poked one she got a mentor out of it. Also she may see you as softy because you cared about Sarah Greene so much.

She isn't kind, and she can be cruel, but but her primary goal is still to protect reality.

I think her general morality is more complicated than you do, but none of that changes the dynamic of her relationship with existence here.

She could not even hypothetically choose to forgo protecting the world in favor of just serving her own interests if it was physically possible to do so, it's "just" that the definition of saving the world she was given doesn't place a lot of value on people's lives.

Go read some of Maeve's horrible behavior if you want to see real petty and pointless cruelty. If Mab acted like her or Emma-O DF earth would be an immensely worse place to live than it is.

Mab kind of lives in reality, she does not have to be any kind of 'good' to want to preserve it, she just has to not be suicidal. I would say that petty cruelty is beneath her, that is not the same thing as not being cruel
 
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I didn't get that feeling from her? I mean, she was excited about what amounts to probably one of, if not the most socially important events in her life, an big transformative moment that would change her completely. It's a coming of age ceremony and getting superpowers at the same time, plus it's a murder. Almost anyone would be excited about it.

Also, she's not a Raith. She isn't interacting with True Love. She is repulsed by and harmed by Hope. Which is a long-term issue, really, since as a resident Sailor Nuclear Hell Princess we are rather likely to bring a lot of hope to people in the course of what amounts to superheroics.

I'll remove the math tutoring. It's another obligation on our part (to be tutored), and we have a lot already.


[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on her, with Empathy excellency and All Things Betray. You need to know, what you are actually dealing with, here.

[X] Set some ground rules
-[X] No permanent harm to people at the school. Not unless there's genuine danger to life, like a rape attempt, and she can't handle the situation without it. And you'll be checking by the the spirit of the rules, not the wording. You are not a fey.
-[X] No talking about supernatural stuff to make your life hard.

[X] Maybe you could make use of her
-[X] Explain more about the unseen world to Izzy and Alec, from a...novel perspective
-[X] Explain the story of the almost-deadly selfy from two months ago. Ask her to make sure that the responsible people would not bully their juniors again anytime soon. She has plenty of time to get to know people here and make a plan, no rush.

On the subject of Mab's character, here is the most relevant part of Ghost Story:

And then you have to remember three things:
1) Mab cannot lie. She can twist her words with the best of them, but she can't lie
2) Mab used to be a mortal
3) Mother Winter is far older than Mab

What does this mean? It means that Mab has most likely heard "She is mine to shape as I please." from Dresden's perspective, only there were no words whispered into her ear by Uriel. And the shaper might have been even crueler and more alien still than her. Mab is as much of a slave to Winter Law as Molly or Dresden are; much more so, even. And she genuinely believed (before talking to Dresden then) that it was her right and within her ability to shape and change her vassals; likely she genuinely believes that it is Mother Winter's (or at least Mab's mantle) right and ability to change and shape her. Mab has lost to her mantle a long time ago. She is a terrifying being, supremely dangerous, very intelligent, very powerful. But she is likely a mediocre Winter Queen for she has been reduced to barely be a function of her mantle. She doesn't add to it, doesn't defy it when and where she can. And that's what mortal bearers of the mantles are for, after all. At least that's my opinion.

Also, importantly, Mab tells Dresden "I will never trust you". She believes that. Take it as you will, but if we ever deal with Mab, know - unless we are her broken slave, she will never trust us. Likely, she can't trust anyone, or at least anyone who hasn't been completely broken and reshaped by her. Any "shows of good will" she makes will always be made with the expectation of betrayal in her mind.

Possible, yes. I think it's a good backup plan for now. If we can't get rid of the enmity in other ways, we should get rid of it this way. We probably should use the gossamer as a focus before handling it over, to find where we could find more.

Obviously the best solution would be to not have to use it.

Oh right, Skavis are the fear ones.

But she is totally a bit of an adrenaline junkie:

Uncle Lenith had asked her why the question and she's just replied ''Cause you're a six on my scale."

"Scale?" He sounded bored.

"My very own patented risk taking scale," she had answered boldly. "One's a boring life, ten's a remarkable death. "
 
On a somewhat related note Molly's base Initiative rating is Perception + Dexterity + Wits with ATB.

@DragonParadox does this add the -3 difficulty to the initiative roll? Also ATB -3 needs to be added to the advantages.

Add to that the doubling effect from WBS we will be going first in most combat turns.
 
On a somewhat related note Molly's base Initiative rating is Perception + Dexterity + Wits with ATB.

@DragonParadox does this add the -3 difficulty to the initiative roll? Also ATB -3 needs to be added to the advantages.

Add to that the doubling effect from WBS we will be going first in most combat turns.

This basically, you need a DC to power for ATB to trigger.
Initiative isn't a roll with difficulty.

It's straight up the values added with a single d10.
 
Mab is an embodiment of winter's cruelty, not its fairness. It's very possible that being fair is genuinely impossible for her, given winter's association with arbitrariness like sudden snowstorms, late frosts and similar misfortune.
She'll always deliver the letter of a deal while always trying to make a cruel mockery of its spirit.

She's deeply and fundamentally evil; and possibly has no choice not so be. However; like Emma-O, the world is where she keeps her stuff, and so on her current role she may be a tragically necessary evil.
Just to be clear: None of this is true.

Mab is an embodiment of Winter's nature; she is exacting and harsh, relentless in the implementation of her responsibilities, and pitiless against people who have incurred her ire. She isnt, however, any more evil than a nationstate head, and frankly a lot more reliable than a lot of RL politicians.

There are members of Winter's Court who are treacherous or cruel for cruelty's sake; see fetches, for example.
Or Maeve. Mab isnt one.
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-Yeah, this was predictable.
Im betting that it probably is not even Bella's father's idea, but rather a "suggestion" from Duke Skavis or other senior members of Skavis making a coldblooded calculation to risk a fledgeling to feel out the new resident Power.

And the teenager does not have the life experience to notice she's being used, or to push back, the way Thomas can and will.

Its not even particularly risky, mind; if Molly declined to let her die in Greene's house, its safe to assume that she wouldnt let her come to harm by her own action.
But now we have the Winter Court probing us deniably.


-Bella is either same age or older than Molly, isnt she? Either 17 or 19 at our previous encounter iirc.
So why is she still a sophomore ie second year of four year high school for non-Americans?
Molly(and Izzy and Alec) are seniors.

If Izzy recognizes her as a new transferee in a public school of several hundred students(assuming 30 students per class, four classes per grade, four grades/years of high school, 480 students per high school)?
They kinda have to be in the same grade 12/senior year.

Okay, we still have those kids from before the holidays, that pushed the poor idiot to make a selfy that almost killed him.
Remember those? I would say if we ask our mini-vamp to scare them in line without doing permanent damage it would be a nice test of skills.White Vamps are supposed to be good at social, right?
You dont turn a Whampire loose on teenagers as a test.
You especially dont turn a young Whampire still playing with their powers, and looking to impress the new big cheese, loose on teenagers. Thats a good way to have enthusiasm result in shit you dont expect or want.


VOTE
[X] Set some ground rules
-[X] No feeding on anyone in school
[X] Maybe you could make use of her

-[X] Explain more about the unseen world to Izzy and Alec, from a...novel perspective
[X] Use Naked Wicked Souls on her, with Empathy excellency and All Things Betray. You need to know, what you are actually dealing with, here.



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I've been in this game for years, it made me an animal
It's rules to this shit, I wrote me a manual
A step-by-step booklet for you to get
Your game on track, not your wig pushed back
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Number 5, never sell no crack where you rest at
I don't care if they want a ounce, tell 'em bounce!


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Dont do your dirt in your own home, your own community if you want a long career. This is like basic criminal etiquette.

If you're trying to socialize a teenage Whampire raised in a family of Whampires, it helps that they dont look at their classmates in school, where they spend upwards of thirty hours a week, as food. Just as they dont view their family as food.
Lots of other places to feed, school shouldnt have that association.

Think of it as training in impulse control. Which is something all teenagers could use.
 
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