[X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
-[X]...and it's not like there's not a higher authority who can't do the execution for you. Leave it to the Headmaster to decided whether this scum lives or dies.

Honestly, it's moments like this that make me wish that we could go full Abridged Anderson and literally ask God.
 
[X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
 
Holy shit, now that was a fight.
I'm glad that you seem to have enjoyed it.

And holy fuck did Tsukune just become Kenshiro?
FIST OF THE NORTH STAR POWER MUSIC SAVES THE DAY!
I've personally always considered FOTNS to be something of an honorary "Part Zero" to the Jojo saga, given how much of its DNA runs through Phantom Blood and even -- to a much lesser extent -- through Battle Tendency and Stardust Crusaders.

So in that regard, I thought this might be a fun/neat little way of paying my respects -- and hopefully give y'all a fair reward for your patience at the same time.
 
[X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
-[X]...and it's not like there's not a higher authority who can't do the execution for you. Leave it to the Headmaster to decided whether this scum lives or dies.

This is still a school, with rules. And Kuyo should absolutely reap the consequences of his actions, no doubt about it. But if we want to create a different, kinder justice in this school, one that does not simply rely on the strong to do as they will, then there has to be some kind of due process.

Beyond the mob baying for blood, I mean.
 
[X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?

Kuyo absolutely deserves to die.

But Kuyo is not a cause, he's a symptom. He recognised the fucked up nature of the monster society and tried to fix that, but his worldview led him to the conclusion that the only way to do so was with enough power to ensure no one stepped out of line. Eva's been pretty clear that before Kuyo, the school was far worse.

The problem, of course, is that Kuyos actions weren't fixing anything. It was a treatment of the symptoms, forcing the level of violence down or out of sight, but not actually causing any change. The second Kuyo graduated, the school would have descended back to the way it was before, or close to it. That his methods actually improved things is an indictment of the situation, not praise for him.

Kuyos methods would not fix the fundamental problem of the school. That problem is caused by the culture of Might making right that pervades the school, something his methods only reinforced. And right now, they need to be shown that violence and murder are not always the only option, or the one that should be encouraged.

Edit: Also, invisitext:

And with his focus broken just that much more --
so quickly that the world slows to a crawl as a golden filter falls into place
You gather yourself and take your opportunity.
You can't believe that Moka's kick had such little effect on him, you know she's capable of so much more than that--
ORRAAAAAA!!!!
It can't just be that Kuyo's that tough! The damage you've dealt on him so far should more than prove that!
Leading in from his blind spot, you sling a fist into his bad eye! Even as the superheated atmosphere makes it torturous to even breathe, you refuse to let up!
You're dimly aware of your ripple starting to fade... it's so hot you can barely even think on top of everything else...
ORAORAORAORAORAORAORA!!! ORRAAAAA!!!
There has to be a reason why Moka's kick did so little damage even though she's so pissed! Is she losing power just like you?! But why?!
You rain down a flurry of blows on Kuyo with everything you have!
But the world has long since resumed its normal hue, but for draining color that is your own vision beginning to waver...
As your fists start to falter, a fiery hand darts between your fists and clamps down on your throat!


"This ends now--"
Kuyo opens his mouth...

"It... can't be--! There's no way that... the truly evil one... was it me all along?"

You slide into position on Kuyo's left side, while Tsukune takes up a position exactly opposite you on his right, crimson eyes glimmering with a resolve you can't help but admire... and then you both unleash absolute holy hell!!
Tsukune looks up at you with hopeful eyes, praying his senpai will back him up...
"C'mon, don't give anyone the chance to make him a martyr..."
...while Kuyo remains limp in his crater, utterly defeated and unable to fight back even if he's still conscious.
 
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[X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
 
I love that we beat Kuyo without even finding out what his Stand does.

[X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
-[X]...and it's not like there's not a higher authority who can't do the execution for you. Leave it to the Headmaster to decided whether this scum lives or dies.
 
[X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
-[X]...and it's not like there's not a higher authority who can't do the execution for you. Leave it to the Headmaster to decided whether this scum lives or dies.
 
If you spare someone like that, and they hurt even a single other person, that death is just as much your fault as there's. Is the MC going to babysit Kuyo forever to insure his good behavior? How can they truly keep him from killing again otherwise? What authority could they possibly trust to hold or restrain Kuyo when his mere continued existence prove they all silently permitted his evils to occur?

End this nightmare. Enact Justice, instead of false platitudes.

I don't disagree. However, you're ignoring the fact that Rosario Vampire is a Shounen/Slice of Life setting, JJBA is entirely Shounen, and Eva has taken that into account here which means the Shounen thing to do is let the crazy murderer live. This isn't Seinen. That being said, there should be a limit, which is why I wrote in my vote that we tell Tsukune in private that while his ideal is nice, if Kuyo tries again, JoJo is going to kill him straight up. No 3rd chances.

Also, the invisitext.

That's not killing to protect anyone, that's killing out of fear.

No, it is killing to protect other people. That is literally why death row and the death penalty is a thing. Because serial killers and mass murderers and anyone else on death row are irredeemable. You think people like that can and will change, instead of not changing and reenter society looking to kill immediately?

Because I can point you to a recent video of someone who said he had been indicted for some murders, thrown into jail for the murders (that the cops knew of in his own words), and publicly admitted on video that he just got out of jail and was looking to kill again.

Regular criminals reoffend often after they get out. Now imagine all those murderers getting out of prison. How many of them are you willing to place your bets on that they have changed and won't kill you or anyone else on the slightest reason/provocation? I wouldn't bet on any of them because prison reform fails more often than it works.

That being said, that is IRL shit and this is a fictional setting. More importantly, a mash-up of two Shounen settings. The "right thing to do" here is to give Kuyo a chance. But we make sure that it's only the one. I'm not fond of Shounen's "endless chances" and I hope Eva won't do the same if they - for example here - roll and the dice say Kuyo's going to attack Jojo and crew again in the future and follows through. Tsukune better acknowledge that if Kuyo fucks up again, he's done.
 
No, it is killing to protect other people. That is literally why death row and the death penalty is a thing. Because serial killers and mass murderers and anyone else on death row are irredeemable. You think people like that can and will change, instead of not changing and reenter society looking to kill immediately?

Because I can point you to a recent video of someone who said he had been indicted for some murders, thrown into jail for the murders (that the cops knew of in his own words), and publicly admitted on video that he just got out of jail and was looking to kill again.

Regular criminals reoffend often after they get out. Now imagine all those murderers getting out of prison. How many of them are you willing to place your bets on that they have changed and won't kill you or anyone else on the slightest reason/provocation? I wouldn't bet on any of them because prison reform fails more often than it works.
I would also point out that IRL prisons, at least in the US, ARE NOT built or designed with rehabilitation and reformation of the inmates in mind. There are cultural and systemic reasons why recidivism rates can vary widely between countries, so it may not be entirely fair to make vast assumptions about the intrinsic human condition based only on that.

That said, an in-depth discussion of the subject here would most likely turn into a supermassive derail, so... I'm gonna suggest we all not and say we did.
That being said, that is IRL shit and this is a fictional setting. More importantly, a mash-up of two Shounen settings. The "right thing to do" here is to give Kuyo a chance. But we make sure that it's only the one. I'm not fond of Shounen's "endless chances" and I hope Eva won't do the same if they - for example here - roll and the dice say Kuyo's going to attack Jojo and crew again in the future and follows through. Tsukune better acknowledge that if Kuyo fucks up again, he's done.
Aw, don't you trust me? :D
 
I would also point out that IRL prisons, at least in the US, ARE NOT built or designed with rehabilitation and reformation of the inmates in mind. There are cultural and systemic reasons why recidivism rates can vary widely between countries, so it may not be entirely fair to make vast assumptions about the intrinsic human condition based only on that.

There's a lot I can say about that stuff but...

That said, an in-depth discussion of the subject here would most likely turn into a supermassive derail, so... I'm gonna suggest we all not and say we did.

This is true, so I'll leave it alone.

Aw, don't you trust me? :D

Rule 0 of being a player: Never trust the QM when they say shit like that. :V
 
Soo what tsukune anyway a ghoul ? or human with vampire blood in them
In one sense, right this second he can technically be straight-up called a Vampire because the sheer monstrous power in Moka's blood is overwhelming and overwriting his human body, and the vast majority of his phenotypic characteristics are currently near-indistinguishable from a Vampire (including fangs).

Once that [finite amount of] power burns itself out, however, he'll be left as just a (stronger/tougher/prettier) baseline human. (The fangs will disappear at that point and he'll lose all superhuman physicality.)

So the most correct answer in light of surrounding/overall context is "human with vampire blood in them."

Also, the votes are now locked.

Adhoc vote count started by EvaUnit01 on Feb 20, 2023 at 3:18 AM, finished with 54 posts and 37 votes.

  • [X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
    [X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
    -[X]...and it's not like there's not a higher authority who can't do the execution for you. Leave it to the Headmaster to decided whether this scum lives or dies.
    [X]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?
    -[X] Make it clear to Tsukune in private that you stood with him to provide a united front but that if Kuyo comes back again, you will be taking him out for good this time.
    [X]In so many other circumstances, you might agree with Tsukune... but Kuyo was right in that most people aren't so quick to change who they really are. Is teaching the student body a valuable lesson in compassion really more important than making sure that Kuyo won't be able to come back and claim revenge again?
 
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Update 178 - Outside the Wall
"I refuse to believe that treating each other as enemies and killing them is the only way this ends! Because that kind of mindset is how people with the best of intentions eventually end up like HIM!"

Tsukune looks up at you with hopeful eyes, praying his senpai will back him up...

...while Kuyo remains limp in his crater, utterly defeated and unable to fight back even if he's still conscious.

[x]You're not happy with letting Kuyo walk away from this. In fact, you despise the very idea. But with a cooler head, you have to admit that Tsukune has a point in that just putting him down like the mad dog he is in front of everyone like this will only reinforce the culture of fear he created. Is that really what's best for the students?

Fists clenched in annoyance, you turn to the assembled student body and put your metaphorical foot down. "Nobody's dying today. If you can't figure out what to do with yourselves, then go find a teacher or something."

"Better yet," Moka commands as she steps up alongside you to address the crowd, "check on the conditions of ten people physically near you right now, and help anyone wounded in getting to the nurse's office. Ask one of your classmates for help if you should need it."

You should've been able to think of that... perhaps it just goes to show how much of a mental toll the fight took on you even without using your Stand; and how much even Inner Moka cares about Tsukune, that with his well-being assured her bloodthirst and tunnel vision have seemingly immediately cleared up.

Over the next several minutes, the student population steadily begins to disband in obedience of your and Moka's directives, even after she's gone and reclaimed her rosary from... from Kurumu? When did that become a thing?

Whatever. For the moment, you're just satisfied to see that apparently nobody died or was seriously injured -- at least, not since you started trading blows anyway.

"What the hell are you still doing here? You're not exempt from those directions."

A soft, freezing touch caresses your cheek from behind. "Showing you I'm still alive."

You appreciate the sentiment, but it's a poor excuse--

"...and I wanted you to carry me," Mizore whispers.

Hmph! You'd call her spoiled... but after the hell everyone including the both of you just went through, maybe doting on your girlfriend a little isn't the worst thing you could be doing.

Just something you need to deal with first...

"Hey," you grunt to get Tsukune's attention. "I get where you were coming from."

When he turns to look at you from his position surrounded between a trio of fussing girls, you transition into your point. "But if not for the peanut gallery--"

Tsukune's answering snarl shoots an instinctive tremor of dread down your spine, his eyes momentarily glowing crimson again. "If we didn't have the whole school watching us, I would've punched his head off myself."

If that's true, then his discipline and situational awareness have truly become something to marvel at. A far cry from the boy who almost got run over by a girl on her bicycle all those months ago...

Now it's just a question of what to do with him.

_____________________

A few days later...

When Kuyo awoke, it was to a ceiling he had only passing familiarity with; an isolated high-security intensive care section of the nurse's office, where on sociable days he'd tossed the rebellious refuse that dared to defy his justice.

"...but it never was," he tiredly groans, brain starting to process an omnipresent ache across his entire body that suggests he's been pumped full of anesthetics that aren't quite of superior enough grade to withstand a yoko's much higher internal body temperature.

"Kuyo, you're finally awake!"

The forlorn formerly fire-flinging fox glances over, to see a visibly concerned but excited Keito sitting in a chair next to his bed.

Just the day before, such a showing of unsought support from a subordinate would have brought him validation. He'd have taken it as reinforcing the righteousness of his cause.

Today, Kuyo sent the starry-eyed sycophant a sneer. "So you thought you'd like to come to the show...?"

Keito's answering look of confusion was, perhaps, inevitable; he'd never behaved in a manner outside of his role as the Student Protection Committee Chairman, and his petulant dismissal must have seemed remarkably out of character. "...show? Sir, what are you talking about?"

"I saw humans -- even monsters, to be honest -- as pathetic, cowardly creatures that bury their hearts behind walls and gaze out with hateful paranoia at anything and everything on the outside... and I realize now that such a description likely fits me better than most."

"You're not pathetic or a coward," the spider-woman protested. "You're our terrifyingly powerful leader--!"

"So powerful that I sit here in a hospital bed, utterly defeated and then shown mercy by the same human I tried to make an example of... get out and find something more useful to do with your time."

"But sir, without your leadership...!"

For a long moment, Kuyo considered reaching out in anger and trapping Keito [In the Flesh]... but no, even if it meant shutting her up, it wasn't worth the momentary peek into her mind.

"If you must find an idol to worship," he sighed, "then go look for someone whose mistakes aren't so..."

Bullishly forcing past his full-body ache, Kuyo raised his bruised and bandaged arms to look at them -- but rather than pristine bandages, for a brief instant he saw only the incalculable blood he'd shed.

"...heavy."

Keito didn't say anything after that, other than to run out of the nurse's office in tears.

KUYO, STUDENT PROTECTION COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN
SPECIES: YOKO
STAND: [IN THE FLESH]
STATUS: RETIRED!!


______________________

After everything settled down, you and your friends were eventually gathered together by the Headmaster in his office, a room dark and sinister in its decor.

"It's unfortunate that things have been so hectic of late," the man at the desk admits. "All the same, the lot of you acquitted yourselves quite well -- not only in terms of battle prowess, but as pillars of moral character that your peers can look up to... I expect that the ramblings of a lackadaisical old man who's never around are of precious little concern, but permit me to say it all the same..."

Muscles ripple beneath his heavy robes, a set of horns holding up a cloaked hood as he makes eye contact first with you, and then the friends who've been at your side for months -- months that, sometimes, have seemed to stretch on like years.

"I'm proud of you, all of you."

"That's swell," Kurumu says with a smile... before the facade breaks and she snaps at the headmaster in annoyance. "But where have you been while your students were trying to kill each other?! It was bad enough before summer break, but this was just ridiculous! My friends almost died because of your negligence!"

"My dealings beyond the school are not your concern," he replies with the type of calm that lets you know he's allowing an outburst out of sympathy but has only a finite amount of patience for it.

"What about Kuyo?" Yukari asks. "I think we're entitled to know in detail that he's not a threat anymore."

"He isn't," the Headmaster agrees, nodding. "However, as students, it isn't necessary to trouble yourselves with disciplinary matters... since I can see from the looks on your faces that you aren't interested in taking his old job."

So he's only going to share information if it's convenient for him... good grief.

Is it worth trying to pry anything out of him, or should you just go check on Mizore in the infirmary?

[]Ask him about something school-related.
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[]To hell with it, you've got better things to do with your time.
-[]Go check on Mizore, she was still pretty messed up after that fight.
-[]Mizore could probably use some more rest; for today, you'll just catch up with Tsukune and the girls.
 
[x]To hell with it, you've got better things to do with your time.
-[x]Go check on Mizore, she was still pretty messed up after that fight.
 
[x]To hell with it, you've got better things to do with your time.
-[x]Go check on Mizore, she was still pretty messed up after that fight.

And bring ice cream. Lots of ice cream.
 
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[x]To hell with it, you've got better things to do with your time.
-[x]Go check on Mizore, she was still pretty messed up after that fight.
 
[x]To hell with it, you've got better things to do with your time.
-[x]Go check on Mizore, she was still pretty messed up after that fight.
 
[x]To hell with it, you've got better things to do with your time.
-[x]Go check on Mizore, she was still pretty messed up after that fight.
 
Wait, the guy had a Stand?
Still might have.

My (very baseless) guess is: it makes the target's body an extention of the user's, in return for giving the user perfect clarity of the target's thoughts.

For a long moment, Kuyo considered reaching out in anger and trapping Keito [In the Flesh]... but no, even if it meant shutting her up, it wasn't worth the momentary peek into her mind.
 
[X]To hell with it, you've got better things to do with your time.
-[X]Go check on Mizore, she was still pretty messed up after that fight.
 
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