Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Of course one of the big reasons I want to get Bakemono charms that saves us a point when making our hell. We can populate it with loyal humans that we can easily empower.
@DragonParadox given that we have some white vampires in poor physical condition, are we going to automatically give them MMP so their hungers heal them faster or do we have to vote for that? And will we have to vote to leave a supply of MMP in our minions' possession whether they need to fight at full strength or not?



I'm asking because these two things seem too obvious to need a vote.

Mostly any vote would be if we want to take any precautions to stop minions from eating only morsels for weeks. I personally think we don't need any more then a warning label saying that morsels are part of a balanced diet and that overeating can lead to getting pale somewhat rubbery skin.
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Ok I will admit that it would be much more thermically appropriate if we got inner demons unchained at Halloween. Also for now a well feed group of ghouls and white court vampires is likely to go a long way.
 
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So, regarding Essence ratings. E3 has the following chart:
Essence 2 50 experience points
Essence 3 125 experience points
Essence 4 200 experience points
Essence 5 300 experience points
Essence 6+ Only available at Storyteller's discretion

According to my bookkeeping (please correct me if I'm wrong), we have spent 95 XP so far. 8 points refunded makes it 87. We will be hitting E3 next turn, but won't be getting the kingdom charm.
 
Given that it does have mind altering effects that is going to be a vote rather than automatic.
But it only has this and other effects if they constantly feed on MMP for a period of time (I think a week?) and I wanted to let them eat just a little bit between periods of time so that their hunger has the strength to heal them faster and then have some MMP stashed away so if there's a fight or other emergency they can eat and gain access to their supernatural powers (like a blue mana potion).
Mostly any vote would be if we want to take any precautions to stop minions from eating only morsels for weeks. I personally think we don't need any more then a warning label saying that morsels are part of a balanced diet and that overeating can lead to getting pale somewhat rubbery skin.
Like this.
 
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But it only has this and other effects if they constantly feed on MMP for a period of time (I think a week?) and I wanted to let them eat just a little bit between periods of time so that their hunger has the strength to heal them faster and then have some MMP stashed away so if there's a fight or other emergency they can eat and gain access to their supernatural powers (like a blue mana potion).

Like this.

One meal is enough to make them somewhat better disposed towards you, it is turning someone into a Creature of Darkness that makes more time.

Maggot Mana Plague (••)
With a casual gesture, the Infernal conjures forth fat, wriggling maggots from the Hell of Burrowing Maggots, grown fat on the souls of sinners. They writhe forth from the dust and then expire. Those who eat these highly-nutritious grubs find them delicious and nourishing, but also find their destiny bound to that of the Infernal.
System: The Infernal can only use this Charm in a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at the state of their lives). She spends a moment concentrating and then spends 3 Essence to conjure her grotesque repast. One use of this Charm summons enough maggots to feed (Essence x100) people, and the maggots remain edible without preservation for a week. One meal of maggots is sufficient to feed and water a person for a day in even the harshest environment, but it also makes them vaguely loyal toward their Infernal benefactor; all of the Infernal's social actions against the maggot-fed reduce their difficulty by one. Those who exist on a primarily maggot diet become creatures of darkness after (Stamina rating) weeks, and may display subtle changes such as growing pale or soft-skinned over time; or may manifest features befitting the Infernal's personal Hell, if she has one. The Infernal's social actions against such beings reduce their difficulty by three.
 
One meal is enough to make them somewhat better disposed towards you, it is turning someone into a Creature of Darkness that makes more time.

Maggot Mana Plague (••)
With a casual gesture, the Infernal conjures forth fat, wriggling maggots from the Hell of Burrowing Maggots, grown fat on the souls of sinners. They writhe forth from the dust and then expire. Those who eat these highly-nutritious grubs find them delicious and nourishing, but also find their destiny bound to that of the Infernal.
System: The Infernal can only use this Charm in a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at the state of their lives). She spends a moment concentrating and then spends 3 Essence to conjure her grotesque repast. One use of this Charm summons enough maggots to feed (Essence x100) people, and the maggots remain edible without preservation for a week. One meal of maggots is sufficient to feed and water a person for a day in even the harshest environment, but it also makes them vaguely loyal toward their Infernal benefactor; all of the Infernal's social actions against the maggot-fed reduce their difficulty by one. Those who exist on a primarily maggot diet become creatures of darkness after (Stamina rating) weeks, and may display subtle changes such as growing pale or soft-skinned over time; or may manifest features befitting the Infernal's personal Hell, if she has one. The Infernal's social actions against such beings reduce their difficulty by three.
Does that -3 also stack with the bonus we get from interacting with creatures of darkness normally?
 
Yes, very much so, someone who is made into a Creature of Darkness by this isn't going to be arguing with the infernal.
Well they might play devil's advocate, but the Infernal will have the last word.

I actually wonder what we are going to do with all the extra grub. We are making enough to feed 200 people at the moment and the current plan seems to be not to primarily feed them grub.
 
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Well they might play devil's advocate, but the Infernal will have the last word.
Wait, if we are an infernal does that mean the devil's advocate is arguing with us or arguing FOR us? What does it mean to be a devil's advocate to a devil?

And is turning into a creature of darkness the trigger to be "such beings" or is it triggered just be subsisting on the maggots for a number of weeks? Would a creature of darkness (thus one who cannot turn into a creature of darkness) who fed off our maggots for a long period still get the additional -3?
 
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Yes, very much so, someone who is made into a Creature of Darkness by this isn't going to be arguing with the infernal.
Well, I'm corrected, but I'm still voting for this to happen, because even without that aspect I doubt these wamps (who I mainly want to help) would argue much with Molly (the combination of Essence's Demonic Primacy + High Social stats + savior which allows them to control their hungers after who knows how long is a hell of a drug).

Alas, they already are CoD's.
 
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Well, I'm corrected, but I'm still voting for this to happen, because even without that aspect I doubt these wamps (who I mainly want to help) would argue much with Molly (the combination of Essence's Demonic Primacy + High Social stats + savior which allows them to control their hungers after who knows how long is a hell of a drug).

Alas, they already are CoD's.

Oh sure, they would not get the greater transformation, only the milder, but still given Molly's history it would be a vote.
 
Those who exist on a primarily maggot diet become creatures of darkness after (Stamina rating) weeks, and may display subtle changes such as growing pale or soft-skinned over time; or may manifest features befitting the Infernal's personal Hell, if she has one. The Infernal's social actions against such beings reduce their difficulty by three.
Question: If a Vampire primarily feeds on those for his vampiric fuel, but still mostly eats normal foods for his physical needs, does he primarily exist on the maggot-diet or not?

Technically his demon does, the person does not, but I don't think there's a clear separation?
 
[X] Say goodbye
-[X] Offer training and equipment instead
-[X] STUNT: "Believe me. I know the feeling. I really do. I grew up with it, even. I won't provide a magical immediate solution right now, not when you are so angry and not thinking clearly. What I will provide, however, are the means. I'll talk to some people, arrange training in how to fight, provide equipment if you want it. And if, by Christmas, you still want to keep fighting, we'll discuss the topic again. I might have something by that time".

[X] Plan Alchemy and minions.

[X] Plan Authority Doesn't Need Mind Control.

[X] Plan Court and War of an Alchemist


I want Alchemy, I don't want Hellscry Chakra. That's my reasoning for voting like this.

Edit: adding approval vote.
Edit2: same
 
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Question: If a Vampire primarily feeds on those for his vampiric fuel, but still mostly eats normal foods for his physical needs, does he primarily exist on the maggot-diet or not?

Technically his demon does, the person does not, but I don't think there's a clear separation?

If a vampire feeds on the magots enough to sate their Hunger they will have their physical needs covered at the same time. It is harder to sate the symbiotic demon than one's flesh and blood stomach,
 
If a vampire feeds on the magots enough to sate their Hunger they will have their physical needs covered at the same time. It is harder to sate the symbiotic demon than one's flesh and blood stomach,
But with MiC their hunger is never aggresive?

I'm pretty sure Whampires can Feed once a week or less and get by, while still having to eat their regular meals like a human in between.
 
But with MiC their hunger is never aggresive?

I'm pretty sure Whampires can Feed once a week or less and get by, while still having to eat their regular meals like a human in between.

Yeah but the thing is that 1/week feeding will cover their need for human food because the demon maggots are just that nutritious. If you scarf enough of them down to feed the demon you do not have to eat food that week, though of course you can do so.
 
Well they might play devil's advocate, but the Infernal will have the last word.

I actually wonder what we are going to do with all the extra grub. We are making enough to feed 200 people at the moment and the current plan seems to be not to primarily feed them grub.
My plan is to use most of the MMP as strategic reserve energy for our minions to get into fights without us around. After all, many supernatural beings have natural ways of being healed and many powers are only limited by energy, which is easily provided by MMP.

I'm actually very curious about Thomas, because one of the ways to keep his father from killing him is to starve himself so he doesn't get too strong. I'm very intrigued as to what his power would be (direct descended from both the White King and the Black Staff) if he were fully powered. I doubt he would be weak.

Wait, if we are an infernal does that mean the devil's advocate is arguing with us or arguing FOR us? What does it mean to be a devil's advocate to a devil?
A very intriguing question, should we get some lawyers, create a firm named Wolfram and Hart and ask.

(Actually, we're going to end up needing lawyers anyway, to defend ourselves or our acquaintances, help Thomas with anything legal, ask for new documents for our servants, etc, so is better to start fixing everything already)
 
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Our Whampires are going to get tired of MMP maggot smoothies, but for some reason I think they'll stick to their new diet.
 
Our Whampires are going to get tired of MMP maggot smoothies, but for some reason I think they'll stick to their new diet.
I am fairly sure that cooking is craft. Even when crafting outside our specialty at -2 dice, when we are doing the cooking in a place of desolation, and with everything on (BSM, CCC, TLF, WHWH), we should reliably get ~15 successes. That should be more than enough to make varied and super-delicious meals that normal people would fight each other to eat.

Also, regarding craft - I think I got the idea of what to gift Harry. We could make him a new gun, exalted-grade quality. And get Murphy to legalize it.
 
It doesn't actually take much to be relevant in combat using WOD rules. All you need is enough damage to force the an enemy to have to take an action to defend themselves. Or just be distracting enough to use up actions.

[X] Make the offer (Must take Inner Devils Unchained Cost 12 XP)
[X]Plan Minion power!
-[X]Molly 32
-[X]Inner Devils Unchained Cost 12 XP
-[x] Maggot Mana Plague, 8 XP
-[x] Rendered Villain Dispersal: 4xp

-[X] Running to forever 4 XP
-[X] Murder is meat 4 XP
Lydia 6 XP

-[X]Authority of the Psychomp: 3xp
-[x] Command The Dead: 3xp


We can turn a whole pack of dogs into bakemono that Lydia and others can command. A full pack of bakemono dogs are a serious combat threat. The are at least as good as tough as ghouls and we can make them much more easily. Also using the dog method they are even more disposable.

Your example with the dogs demonstrates why I'd rather not use it on a human and then take them into battle directly unless they have pre established skills.

Unless she rolls a regen bonus on the trait table or something Olivia would heal like a baseline human. Her speed, initiative, defenses, and actual offensive ability would also be less than ideal. One or two of those properties would be improved, but the rest being set to "complete rube" levels makes her fragile.

The point of the charms is to make disposable mooks, so this is expected, but I'd rather not do that to people if we can avoid it.

Actually training or adding the template to someone already good at combat stuff makes it less of a problem, but that doesn't apply to Olivia and won't for a while.

Attack dogs could be useful, but I don't think they're the best use of exp right now.
 
Also, regarding craft - I think I got the idea of what to gift Harry. We could make him a new gun, exalted-grade quality. And get Murphy to legalize it.
That's a bit of a challenge.
We would have the following parameters:
-Not much larger than a revolver, he needs it concealable.
-No more complex than a revolver, or his techbane will make it jam at the worst moment.
-Not much more powerful than a revolver, he is almost always in a city with bystanders just through the next wall, he can't afford overpowered shots piercing too far
 
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