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Mercenary Mage Quest: Asur Dogs of War in Warhammer Fantasy
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"What are they doing?"you ask. -> "What are they doing?" you ask.
glaring dagger at -> glaring daggers at
Gavrilov clinging to Zanitlov's back like her life depends on it, her face ashen-white as she casts terrified glances at the -> Gavrilov clinging to Zanitlov's back like her life depends on it, her face ashen-white as she casts terrified glances at the Kurgans.
Humans... more talented... than elves?
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Sounds like the origin of an Elf Necromancer. Arrogant Mage decides to prove that Elves can master any magic better than humans, ends up going off the deep end.
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From what I understand, humans are the only race that actually practice necromancy to begin with, right? Like, you wouldn't find a dark elf raising the dead.
(Might've already asked this question here before - if so, my bad.)
(Might've already asked this question here before - if so, my bad.)
Or alternatively it could be Fanriel's origin story with her Dark Curiosity trait. She becomes obsessed with solving the mystery of how a mere human can be more talented than an elf in anything at all, let alone "naturally" more talented, let alone naturally more talented at magic of all things.
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I mean aside from the dwa-THUNK
Ahem. Yeah, humans are the only race to canonically use Necromancy, for a number of reasons.
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I considered the Chaos Dwarves, but they didn't strike me as people that'd use necromancy.
I wonder if that piece of canon will be any different in quest. I mean, it's not like it's said that humans are the only people that can use it, right? Only that they're the only ones to use it in the first place.
I'm surprised that the Skaven don't dabble in Necromancy. They mess around with literally every other kind of forbidden lore and source of forbidden power, so why isn't there a clan of Skaven Necromancers?
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[X] Offer a compromise option to gather the corpses into a pile and then burn them with your spells.
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Reasonably prevalent. You are far from the only Dogs of War in Kislev, and mercenary companies are often hired for the same missions, or may even hire each other.
I mean from a certain point of view the Ungol trackers are fellow Dogs of War hired by the Cult of Dazh for the mission of getting Zanitlov to Noveblya.
But if you mean the canonical Dogs of War regiments, most of them won't exist since we're 230 years pre-canon.
Elves will magnanimously grant that humans are better than them at defiling the natural order and committing abominable acts against all gods worthy of reverence.
Prevailing elven opinion on Necromancy is "Only men, with their short lives and shorter vision, could have imagined such a loathsome use for magic."
Thanks, will fix. Although Gavrilov was looking at the Shadowsteed, not the Kurgans.
In general, yes. There are some early edition weirdness of dwarf and elf Necromancers, and I won't say that it's impossible, but in general terms elves do not practice Necromancy.
At least in the scholarly definition of the word. Fanriel has Shyish spells to talk to the spirits of the dead and compel them to obey her, which would in many corners of the world be considered Necromancy, even thought you're not using Nagash's teachings to raise the dead.
I would speculate that the Horned Rat is extremely anti-Necromancy, because mindless thralls who cannot betray you goes against every value he has instilled upon Skaven society.
Also they had a long-running rivalry with Nagash.
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I've heard about a clan like that, but I've also heard about Skaven exploding when they try, so it's up in the air.
I'd do a summoning Rite for a lore-expert, but I don't want to disturb them.
Huh. Could we write in ideas for Dogs of War regiments? I have a few ideas, but you might just want to make them yourself.
I think I remember someone asking this before, but I can't find it
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Which interestingly enough is much closer to the original historical definition of necromancy. It was a form of divination, rather then pop culture armies of undead thing.
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I have a couple of them planned, but feel free to write some.
I can't make any promises of making use of them, though.
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Oh man, this is probably because I didn't make it very clear and the name isn't very feminine, but Orlaith is a woman, not a man.
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Ah, must have somehow missed that. My apologies, will fix.
[X] Offer a compromise option to gather the corpses into a pile and then burn them with your spells.
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Hey now, if you'd consulted my chart!
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)There's an anti-undead Clan that fought in Nagashizzar for ages, you might be thinking of them?
They're not Necromancers, though.
At least according to Children of the Horned Rat, the HR smites Skaven Necromancers.
And got flattened by Van Hal in Sylvania when he decided to take up the practice, in response to the Skaven unleashing the Black Plague and trying stripmine the province for warpstone.
To say they don't have great experiences with necromancers is an understatement. It's frighteningly good at countering their preferred tactics, alongside divine objections - a powerful enough Skaven necromancer might be able to become not beholden to the Horned Rat, and He cannot allow that.
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[X] Offer a compromise option to gather the corpses into a pile and then burn them with your spells.
Skaven likely also suffer from a lack of opportunity. Corpses don't last long around Skaven, what with the black hunger gnawing at their bones.Hey now, if you'd consulted my chart!
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There's an anti-undead Clan that fought in Nagashizzar for ages, you might be thinking of them?
They're not Necromancers, though.
At least according to Children of the Horned Rat, the HR smites Skaven Necromancers.
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Mmm, I'm not really sure how much I like the idea of the Horned Rat smiting Skaven Necromancers- he doesn't really strike me as the smiting kind of god, and I generally don't like the idea of the gods being able to literally disintegrate any of their followers wherever they may be the instant they do something they don't like, because it should show up a lot more often if that was the case. But influencing the Skaven to hunt down any of their own who dabble in the art? Absolutely.
The way I see it, every Skaven who ever lived would, if given the ability to convert their followers into mindlessly obedient slaves, try to do just that. But every other Skaven also knows that, because they would do the same thing in their position. So the instant a Skaven starts dabbling in Necromancy, every other Skaven regardless of allegiance gangs up on them, because they know that it's only a matter of time until they're next on the chopping block. There is no "wait until you get the opportunity to stab them in the back", because they know that the Necromancer would immediately kill and raise all of their followers out of paranoia, because that's exactly what they would do in their position. Skaven society relies upon leaders needing followers, and followers being convinced that they'll eventually be able to backstab their way to the top. The moment you introduce the ability to create backstab-proof followers, it starts to consume itself in a feeding frenzy as everyone scrambles to either stop the nascent Necromancer from turning them into a mindless undead, or to seize that knowledge for themselves.
So overtime Skaven society would learn to recognize that whenever someone starts studying Necromancy, a civil war invariably erupts that kills them and everyone in their vicinity, and would evolve a cultural bias against doing that. Sure, every so often things would flare up because Skaven are naturally inclined to think they are the one who's cracked the code and figured out the One Weird Trick to be able to harness Necromancy without being killed, but such incidents are ultimately self-extinguishing because not all Skaven can use magic, so eventually the chain of backstabs will lead to the necromantic lore falling in the hands of a Skaven who can't use it, and thus they'll destroy it to stop other Skaven from using it against them.
The way I see it, every Skaven who ever lived would, if given the ability to convert their followers into mindlessly obedient slaves, try to do just that. But every other Skaven also knows that, because they would do the same thing in their position. So the instant a Skaven starts dabbling in Necromancy, every other Skaven regardless of allegiance gangs up on them, because they know that it's only a matter of time until they're next on the chopping block. There is no "wait until you get the opportunity to stab them in the back", because they know that the Necromancer would immediately kill and raise all of their followers out of paranoia, because that's exactly what they would do in their position. Skaven society relies upon leaders needing followers, and followers being convinced that they'll eventually be able to backstab their way to the top. The moment you introduce the ability to create backstab-proof followers, it starts to consume itself in a feeding frenzy as everyone scrambles to either stop the nascent Necromancer from turning them into a mindless undead, or to seize that knowledge for themselves.
So overtime Skaven society would learn to recognize that whenever someone starts studying Necromancy, a civil war invariably erupts that kills them and everyone in their vicinity, and would evolve a cultural bias against doing that. Sure, every so often things would flare up because Skaven are naturally inclined to think they are the one who's cracked the code and figured out the One Weird Trick to be able to harness Necromancy without being killed, but such incidents are ultimately self-extinguishing because not all Skaven can use magic, so eventually the chain of backstabs will lead to the necromantic lore falling in the hands of a Skaven who can't use it, and thus they'll destroy it to stop other Skaven from using it against them.
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