Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Depending on when we fight it, if we can get the weapon conjuring charm and catch the Naagolashii outside, then we can repeatedly hit it with incredibly destructive man portable weaponry. As I said above, something like a Starstreak missile system could probably mess it right up, and with the charm, as I think the launcher is reloadable, we can just keep firing.

No, I meant modern understanding of the word. Horoscopes and such. Is this something that is a thing in Dresdenverse magic at all?

Dresden has power over Outsiders because he is Starborn, born when the stars were right.
 
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Yes, though modern horoscopes are every far from their sacred/magical roots. There are in many magic systems, particularly ritual casting, elements of astrology.
Oh, that's great. In this case, I think we definitely want to talk to Bob about those in details later. Because we have two very important pieces of information: the true correct (or at least original) underlying coordinate system of the universe (the one our exaltation uses), and the list of life-bearing star systems. The first one can probable be used to see what numerological meanings / significances apply to stars relevant to magic, and the second one is probably important, magically speaking.
 
Oh, that's great. In this case, I think we definitely want to talk to Bob about those in details later. Because we have two very important pieces of information: the true correct (or at least original) underlying coordinate system of the universe (the one our exaltation uses), and the list of life-bearing star systems. The first one can probable be used to see what numerological meanings / significances apply to stars relevant to magic, and the second one is probably important, magically speaking.

Well, it depends. If our Exaltation pre-dates the current universe, the coordinate system we use may not be inherent to it.
 
Canonically it's the opposite, actually, the prevalence of "I have no idea what I am doing, and what the magic even is, and am learning from first principles" type of talents is exploding in modern days. I mean, hell, Molly was under that category. White Council missed and wasn't able to adapt to the population explosion brought on by industrialization, we know that. Magical talent actually manifests spontaneously, and is noticeable, especially a strong one. My guess would be that both in absolute and relative numbers, more people are "wild sprouts" now, than there were in olden times.
Fair.
Not sure I totally agree, but fair enough.
If we can buy or build something better without even really putting our backs into it I consider it a waste of exp. We'd basically be paying for the ability to stealthily carry around a long arm and some explosives, which isn't nothing but also isn't exactly an amazing benefit.
I dont agree.

A 10L, 20 yard across AoE effect at E2(scaling to 50 yard AoE at E5) isnt some explosives, its essentially an artillery strike or a 500 pound bomb. For comparison, at Molly's current stats, Death of Obsidian Butterflies costs 3 Essence and is an AoE 100 yards long, 30 yards wide and 10 yards high, with (roll Per 2 + Occult 5 at DC5)sux of Lethal damage.

We spent points in chargen to ensure we always had a Demon Weapon available, which indicates that we prized having a weapon on hand over having to run back to wherever our car or armory is in order to load up. In Dresdenverse fanatasyland, where combat can break out at any time? A weapon thats on you at all times is significantly more useful than one that is locked up.

Its worth remembering that Summer Lady Aurora, Summer Lady Lily, Winter Lady Maeve, Corpsetaker, Grevane and the Loup Garou?
All died to weapons small enough to be concealed on a human's person.

Going back to the point about forensics, our modern weapon conjuring charm would leave some really inexplicable traces behind. Explosions with no traces of explosives, rapid fires without traces of accelerant, holes in walls with no bullet or shell fragments at the end of them, etc.

Conjured guided missiles also have great synergy with cyberdevils, as they can override the built in targeting and so make them much more useful against fast moving human sized enemies. Molly can hit hard, but she's not going to hit as hard as a trio of Starstreak sub-munition tungsten darts impacting at more than four times the speed of sound and half a kilo of high explosive then going off inside the target from each dart.
Im personally looking forward to an excuse to use a Davy Crockett on some poor bastard.
Some nice, isolated battlefield in the NeverNever or somewhere out in the boonies where someone rolls in with a bunch of Outsiders. And we just make their army of mooks go away, and then have a boss fight in the radioactive aftermath.

Hmm... a thought. Would the BIg Book of Yomi Wan be useful for Mab? I mean, it contains a lot of knowledge, many of which is political in nature, and Mab interacts with Yomi Wan politically. We could maybe trade it to her.
I cant see why.

The Winter Court has been around this for over five thousand years, which is how old we can confirm that writing has been a thing in the Dresdenverse. Even if the fae ascendancy is relatively recent, the preeminent superpower of the current era and guarantor of the geopolitical status quo would have hands on knowledge about lesser powers.

Of course, the Archive now has a copy.
If Ivy didnt know of us before, she sure as hell knows about us now.
Don't look that gift horse in the mouth and be happy people are now reasonable. There were multiple reference to Molly having Nightmares before the one that actually marked us, but since it didn't have any mechanical effects, they were happy to not acknowledge the very real PTSD. Nevermind the narrative factor.

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-[x]... and ask to learn the Qiao of the Meng starting next month (Locks Action)
1)Roleplay.
Nightmares are a normal reaction to trauma. Many a person comes works through this stuff without help.
One nightmare was in no way a reason to require seeking assistance; its only come up now that its happened multiple times.

If we didnt want to engage with it, we'd have just paid XP to buy down the Nightmares Merit.


2)Meng is valuable to us mechanically for Willpower recovery, which is why I suggested we train that instead of Dragons Speed.
We only have access to Tier 2 Meng techniques anyway.
Its at Tier 3 that you get Nightmare Exorcism, which is the technique that removes Derangements.

And you would be able to heal and diagnose some mundane and supernatural ailments in others.
Sounds applicable to things like victims of Whampire feeding, mental magic and general psychic injury.
Looking at everyone who survived Splattercon: Rosie, Nelson and Drea Becton.
Still have to check in on the last two.

I thought you were talking about additional charms allowing us to roll for wp on demand.
I'm not sure that RtF would count for that purpose, or in a way that works for meditation. It seems like something you need to dedicate focus to.
That depends on the QM, of course, but moving meditation is a thing.

Suspending the need for sleep isn't the same thing as relaxing*, and just being relaxed isn't the same a being the whole of what's implied in the check. Here's a description DP gave us on this previously:

Meng is disciplined super sleep; you need to be relaxed to do it, but it's still sleeping rather than standing around in a good mood.
I'm skeptical of the idea that we can actually do it that quickly even if it only takes one check, or that doing so wouldn't leave us vulnerable even if we could.

* Which is mechanically reflected in the way it doesn't give willpower back. It does give essence, but essence recovery is independent of activity level. We get essence back at Dawn no matter how tired we are at the time for example. RtF is still a good charm for the infinite physical stamina and alertness, but it doesn't seem like a mental recovery tool.
Point of order:

Qiao of the Meng


The Bridge to Dreams is employed by the Shih to aid in spiritual recovery. The violence and constant strain of hunting demons wear heavily on the minds of the Shih, but this Qiao aids in recovery and restores mental balance. This Bridge relies heavily on meditation.
The Bridge of Dreams is meditation not sleep.
It will do fuckall for fatigue, or physical recovery. You can use Meng and be mentally refreshed, but still be physically exhausted.

Well this is what the Charm says:

Running to Forever (•)
The Infernal is tireless as the flaying winds of Hell. So long as she remains in motion, whether running, driving, or by whatever other means, she suffers neither fatigue nor exhaustion nor even need for sleep.
System: This Charm's effects are permanent. If the Infernal remains in constant, unceasing motion for 24 hours, she completely replenishes her Essence. By reflexively paying 1 Essence, the Infernal may run full-out reflexively rather than being forced to use an action for the rest of the scene.


And this is what the relevant part of Meng says:

Focus the Mind
Shih use a great deal of their willpower fighting against shen. This power lets them regain their resolve and once more perform their sacred duties
System: The Character spends 1 Yang Chi (Essence for you) and rolls Perception+Meditation (Willpower for you). Each success restores 1 point of willpower. The character must be in a state of relaxation to do so


So the question is if you take the Charm of endless running from the hell of endless flaying wind does that mean that running is now relaxing enough to meditate in? I am going to say yes, but looking at what you would be rolling to get the willpower back if you were not in ExvsWoD: Perception+Meditation I would say that you cannot be fully aware of your surroundings and meditate to regain willpower at the same time, You would auto-fail all perception rolls in this state, so make sure not to run through anyplace dangerous.
I would dispute that. Moving meditation is a thing, and studies suggest that perception can actually improve in meditation.

PerceptionEdit

Studies have shown that meditation has both short-term and long-term effects on various perceptual faculties. In 1984 a study showed that meditators have a significantly lower detection threshold for light stimuli of short duration.[114] In 2000 a study of the perception of visual illusions by zen masters, novice meditators, and non-meditators showed statistically significant effects found for the Poggendorff Illusion but not for the Müller-Lyer Illusion. The zen masters experienced a statistically significant reduction in initial illusion (measured as error in millimeters) and a lower decrement in illusion for subsequent trials.[115] Tloczynski has described the theory of mechanism behind the changes in perception that accompany mindfulness meditation thus: "A person who meditates consequently perceives objects more as directly experienced stimuli and less as concepts… With the removal or minimization of cognitive stimuli and generally increasing awareness, meditation can therefore influence both the quality (accuracy) and quantity (detection) of perception."[115] Brown points to this as a possible explanation of the phenomenon: "[the higher rate of detection of single light flashes] involves quieting some of the higher mental processes which normally obstruct the perception of subtle events."[116] In other words, the practice may temporarily or permanently alter some of the top-down processing involved in filtering subtle events usually deemed noise by the perceptual filters.[116]
Mostly academic of course.
Okay, just to articulate to you part of what I'm thinking with voting for this: I do not want to get Meng because it "replaces sleep," because it doesn't do that: Meng is way better than sleep.

WoD sleep by default only restores one point of willpower per full night of sleep. That means we can only sustainably spend one point of willpower a day without eventually running out, taking multiple days off from spending any willpower at all to recover, or getting some other method of restoring willpower. And every willpower restore method except for Meng is generally clunky and only restores a single point at a time.

We are going to want to be able to spend a lot more than one willpower a day without multi-day recovery breaks. There's just so many things we can use it for! We can spend willpower for extra successes per roll, which is great for anything really important, we spend two points of willpower every time we activate Shintai, Qiao of the Devil uses a lot of it for awesome effects once we eventually get it up and running, and Sorcery Paths spend it like crazy once we learn those.

Compared to all those expenses, a measly one willpower a day from getting a good night's sleep just doesn't cut it, so before we can really invest in and really effectively use any of the powerful effects that cost willpower, we really need Qiao of the Meng. We'd still want it really badly even if the nightmares weren't a thing for exactly that reason.

So, yeah, that's why I'm voting to learn Qiao of the Meng. The nightmares are just a good excuse for me.
Meng is not better than sleep, because they have different purposes.
Sleep is for both physical and mental recovery.
Meng addresses mental recovery alone.

That's a fair enough perspective. Though I'd point out that the most important function of willpower is defensive, which penalizes spending it on successes even with an intermediate recharge option.
I'm not familiar enough with how sorcery is run to argue that point, but given the way mana works I suspect that essence would fill that gap pretty well. Point made though.
Point of information:
To my recollection, you can forego the Willpower surcharge for Sorcery if you cast it at +1 DC. So, assuming that, say, casting a Path of Hellfire spell normally is DC6 and costs 1 WP, you can attempt to cast it at DC7 without spending WP.

Just stack your relevant modifiers.
Boiling Sea Mastery, mentat stones, et cetera.
All things betray means that Molly should at least have a good chance of spotting the Skinwalker. Her aggravated damage hellfire sword should be able to hurt it and her flight should make about as maneuverable so long as there aren't small holes for it to fit though that Molly can't.

So in the end the fight becomes a back and forth beat down between the two of them. Although if we can have Dad and/or Dresden there I think that the odds shift in our favor. If we could get a Molly, Dad, Dresden cage match with the Skinwalker I think we would win. Unfortunately it's really hard to force a cage match. The enemy is smart and we don't know much about them as a individual or a species.
Its faster than Molly currently is. Just flat out faster. We see one turn into a monstrous falcon, and peregrines do 240mph in a dive.

We'll eventually be able to match or exceed that once we get Windborn Stride, but probably not before December.
And its breadth of shapeshifting means that it can easily fit through spots Molly cant; in its attack on the Raith mansion in Turn Coat, when it was unable to get in through a defended door, it just went snakeform and passed through an airduct.

And all these shapechanging feats are reflexive; dude never has to spend time processing a change.
Naagloshii are their very own special brand of bullshit.

We can fight one with some prep(longarm + magic bullets + Transcendent Anathema) and have reasonable expectations of forcing a draw. Actually winning, where winning is defined as killing or crippling the naag, is at least three to six months away.
Michael and the Sword would be an asset, Dresden a liability at this time.

Naagolashii are sadistic monsters, so I doubt it.
Even if it did we'd probably have to sneak into it's territory; a place where it doesn't have to worry about power loss and has had centuries to prepare defenses. If we slip up we'd be facing it in nearly the worst possible conditions.
So dont go without the weapon charm.
We know OOC that nukes have worked as naagloshii killers, and both the Davy Crockett and the SADM were (barely)man-portable weapons from the Cold War. Ergo, if its laired somewhere with no humans around:
:V
 
To my recollection, you can forego the Willpower surcharge for Sorcery if you cast it at +1 DC. So, assuming that, say, casting a Path of Hellfire spell normally is DC6 and costs 1 WP, you can attempt to cast it at DC7 without spending WP.
Alas, not that easy. In addition to the increased DC, you also need to have the path total at two dots higher than highest aspect level of the desired spell.
 
Meng is not better than sleep, because they have different purposes.
Sleep is for both physical and mental recovery.
Meng addresses mental recovery alone.
I did know that, but was speaking with the assumption that we would be taking it alongside one of the Infernal native charms that removes the physical need for sleep, but doesn't give willpower recovery, as was assumed by both sides of the discussion in context, according to my read of the situation.

And taken from a purely mental perspective while assuming that Infernal charms cover the physical, Meng is vastly superior to sleep, for exactly the reasons I outlined. And of the two main charms being considered to potentially replace the physical side, both are 1-dot, and one is favored.

But either way, Meng is definitely awesome. It's great to be able to completely restore all of our essence, willpower, and non-aggravated damage to our health track with just a few hours meditating in a tub full of bleach. Or a significantly smaller container of bleach, if we grab RVD. It's definitely worth getting.
 
In the Exalted sense? No, there is no Loom of Fate, the world has a lot more free will than that one.
You have already brought up in-story that being Inside or Outside of Fate has a tangible and noticeable difference on someone.
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Not saying this means the Loom has to still exist.
Theorizing that, since Fate is real enough to be noticed, then there must be some architecture there to support it's existence.
 
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One nightmare was in no way a reason to require seeking assistance; its only come up now that its happened multiple times.

Molly did have nightmares every nights, it was just the first big one, that is different.

We see one turn into a monstrous falcon, and peregrines do 240mph in a dive.

The dive speed of a falcon is completely irrelevant to its ability to flee, it, one, has to gain altitude first, which we can stop, two, can only reach this speed in one direction, down, and is reliant on gravity and aerodynamics to reach it, meaning we can use gravity to help us too and where it's going is predictable, three, can only happen in short burst, so we can simply follow it and continue the chase, the acceleration is not instant, and it cannot abruptly change direction.
 
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Well, it depends. If our Exaltation pre-dates the current universe, the coordinate system we use may not be inherent to it.
True. For now, however, it seems that the current universe has been built "on top" of the previous ones, utilizing the metaphysical infrastructure of Creation at least partially, if re-purposing it, and building new things in. Which is why we can still invoke [Perfected Principle of Consumption] to great effect, use Ancient Sorcery (which completely relies on the universe being the same, in principle at least), forge gods, etc. So, I think that the coordinate system built into our exaltation is still the "most correct" coordinate system possible. It probably still uses Bridge to Nowhere (which might or might not have been re-purposed into Outer Gates) as a reference point.

Im personally looking forward to an excuse to use a Davy Crockett on some poor bastard.
Some nice, isolated battlefield in the NeverNever or somewhere out in the boonies where someone rolls in with a bunch of Outsiders. And we just make their army of mooks go away, and then have a boss fight in the radioactive aftermath.
Tzar Bomb - accept no substitute.
I cant see why.

The Winter Court has been around this for over five thousand years, which is how old we can confirm that writing has been a thing in the Dresdenverse. Even if the fae ascendancy is relatively recent, the preeminent superpower of the current era and guarantor of the geopolitical status quo would have hands on knowledge about lesser powers.
Winter Court is a primarily west-based organization, Mab is younger than Nicodemius Archleone, and our insight into Yomi Wan surpasses mortal understanding, with the book we made describing not just politics, but metaphysics of Yomi Wan in detail that, if not written in a specific way, would cause SAN damage.

To make the equivalent, Winter is USA. Yomi Wan (collectively, not individually) is, probably, either China or Russia (hell, Afghanistan even) , and our book is an ultra-detailed sociol-politicial insider analysis of the structure of said nation. USA's CIA and military would very much find this book extra-valuable.
Of course, the Archive now has a copy.
If Ivy didnt know of us before, she sure as hell knows about us now.
Ivy has a copy, yes. She doesn't have (much) reason to share it with anyone. On the flipside, potential Wan Kuei Ivy.
We can fight one with some prep(longarm + magic bullets + Transcendent Anathema) and have reasonable expectations of forcing a draw. Actually winning, where winning is defined as killing or crippling the naag, is at least three to six months away.
Very, very strongly disagree. Winning is, at most, a month away if we want to. When the Tigers Broke Free + combat gases (sarin and others) would solve our issues. As long as we can fight it in a confined space with a bit of prep, we win. Because we are (can be) immune to environmental damage. It isn't. Don't think nukes. Think chemical warfare. There's a lot of nasty stuff there. We'll need to do decontamination afterwards with TTC, but in general that's the direction we would want to go. And then we drop it into a pool of molten iron (because we are also immune to liquids). The only issue is getting it into a confined space.
 
Very, very strongly disagree. Winning is, at most, a month away if we want to. When the Tigers Broke Free + combat gases (sarin and others) would solve our issues. As long as we can fight it in a confined space with a bit of prep, we win. Because we are (can be) immune to environmental damage. It isn't. Don't think nukes. Think chemical warfare. There's a lot of nasty stuff there. We'll need to do decontamination afterwards with TTC, but in general that's the direction we would want to go. And then we drop it into a pool of molten iron (because we are also immune to liquids). The only issue is getting it into a confined space.
The problem with chemical warfare (or many other environmental effects) is that Sphere-based magic is perfect to counter that.
Let's just take a look at what a Naagloshii that has eaten only moderatly skilled mages can do:
  • Create a sphere of fresh air around himself, Forces 2
  • Temporarily make the gas so heavy it stays compressed on the ground or just transform it into a harmless gas, Matter 2 or 3
  • Give himself good poison-resistance or advanced biological filtration, Life 3 (if his shapeshifting doesn't cover that by itself)
  • Have the gas break down and react with things other than himself, Entropy 3
  • Just get out via a Way, Spirit 3
These were the thoughts of 5 minutes, I'm sure an experienced player or an actual mage can think of many more options.
 
Alas, not that easy. In addition to the increased DC, you also need to have the path total at two dots higher than highest aspect level of the desired spell.
I woukd have to dig up books to crosscheck, and I dont currently have them on hand right now.
So I'll take your words for it.
I did know that, but was speaking with the assumption that we would be taking it alongside one of the Infernal native charms that removes the physical need for sleep, but doesn't give willpower recovery, as was assumed by both sides of the discussion in context, according to my read of the situation.

And taken from a purely mental perspective while assuming that Infernal charms cover the physical, Meng is vastly superior to sleep, for exactly the reasons I outlined. And of the two main charms being considered to potentially replace the physical side, both are 1-dot, and one is favored.

But either way, Meng is definitely awesome. It's great to be able to completely restore all of our essence, willpower, and non-aggravated damage to our health track with just a few hours meditating in a tub full of bleach. Or a significantly smaller container of bleach, if we grab RVD. It's definitely worth getting.
Oh.
Nah, Im not in favor of taking an Infernal charm to avoid sleep. Running To Forever stops us growing tired mid-story arc, and is very welcome, but I happen to be of the opinion that Molly needs the human connection too much to go diving into the actual sleep elimination charm.

Molly did have nightmares every nights, it was just the first big one, that is different.
Citation please.
To my recollection, thats not true. We rolled for nightmares, we just never got them.
This is only the second time we've had nightmares since Arctis Tor.

The dive speed of a falcon is completely irrelevant to its ability to flee, it, one, has to gain altitude first, which we can stop, two, can only reach this speed in one direction, down, and is reliant on gravity and aerodynamics to reach it, meaning we can use gravity to help us too and where it's going is predictable, three, can only happen in short burst, so we can simply follow it and continue the chase, the acceleration is not instant, and it cannot abruptly change direction.
The dive speed of a falcon is absolutely relevant when that form factor and design is being assumed and powered by a semi-divine immortal spirit of terror. When high end supernaturals assume the form of a creature, its almost always supercharged; even mortal Senior Council wizards like Injun Joe can do shit like turn into minivan-sized bears.

Turn Coat naagloshii fight scenes:
Kirby appeared from around the northernmost corner of the other building. He hurried along with a cell phone pressed to his ear, a lanky, dark-haired young man in sweat pants and a baggy T-shirt. The active phone painted half his face like a miniature floodlight. I checked the southern corner of the building at once, and saw a dark, furry shape trotting around the corner—Andi, like Billy, in her wolf form.
Wait a minute.
If the whatever-it-was had taken out the local lights, how in the hell had Kirby's cell phone survived the hex? Magic and technology don't get along so well, and the more complex electronic devices tended to fall apart most quickly. Cell phones were like those security guys in red shirts on old Star Trek: as soon as something started happening, they were always the first to go.
If the creature, whatever it was, had blown out the lights, it would have gotten the phone, too. Unless it hadn't wanted to take the phone out.
Kirby was the only clearly lit object in sight—an ideal target.
When the attack came, it came fast.
There was a ripple in the air, as something moving beneath a veil crossed between me and the light cast by Kirby's phone. There was an explosive snarl, and the phone went flying, leaving Kirby hidden in shadow.
Billy flung himself forward, even as I ripped the silver pentacle amulet from around my neck and lifted it, calling forth silver-blue wizard light with my will. Light flooded the area between the complex's buildings.
Kirby was on his back, in the center of a splatter of black that could only be blood. Billy was standing crouched over him, his teeth bared in a snarl. He suddenly lunged forward, teeth ripping, and a distortion of the air in front of him bounded up and then to one side. I lurched forward, feeling as if I was running through hip-deep peanut butter. I got the impression of something four-legged and furry evading Billy's attack, a raw flicker of vision like something seen out of the very corner of the eye.
Then Billy was on his back, slashing with canine claws, ripping savagely with his teeth, while something shadowy and massive overbore him, pinning him down.
Andi, a red-furred wolf that was smaller and swifter than Billy's form, hurtled through the air and tore at the back of the attacker.
It screamed again, the sound deeper-chested than before, more resonant. The creature whirled on Andi, too swiftly to be believed, and a limb slammed into her, sending her flying into a brick wall. She hit with a yipping cry of pain and a hideous snapping sound.
I raised my staff, anger and terror and determination surging down into the wooden tool, and shouted, "Forzare!"
My will unspooled into a lance of invisible energy and slammed into the creature. I've flipped over cars with blasts of force like that, but the thing barely rocked back, slapping at the air with its forelimbs. The blast shattered against it in a shower of reddish sparks.
The conflicting energies disrupted its veil, just for a second. I saw something somewhere between a cougar and a bear, with sparse, dirty golden fur. It must have weighed several hundred pounds. It had oversized fangs, bloodied claws, and its eyes were a bright and sickly yellow that looked reptilian, somehow.
Its snarling mouth twisted in a way that no animal's could, forming words, albeit words that I did not understand. Its form twisted, changing with liquid speed, and in maybe half a second, a cougar bigger than any mountain lion I'd ever even heard about was hurtling toward me, vanishing into the rippling colors of a veil as it came.

I brought up my left hand, slamming my will into the bracelet hung upon it. The bracelet, a braid of metals hung with charms in the shape of medieval shields, was another tool like the staff, a device that let me focus the energies I wielded more quickly and efficiently.
A quarter dome of blue-white light sprang into existence before me, and the creature slammed into it like a brick wall. Well. More like a rickety wooden wall. I felt the shield begin to give as the creature struck it—but at least initially, it stopped it in its tracks.
Billy hit it low and hard.
The great dark wolf sailed in, teeth ripping, and got hold of something. The creature howled, this time more in pain than fury, and whirled on Billy—but the leader of Chicago's resident werewolves was already on the way back out, and he bounded aside from the creature's counterattack.
It was faster than Billy was. It caught him, and I saw Billy hunch his shoulders against its attack, his fur being bloodied as he crouched low, standing his ground.
So that Georgia could hit it low and hard.
Georgia 's wolf form was dusty brown, taller and lither than Billy's, and moved with deadly precision. She raked at the creature, forcing it to turn to her—only to be forced to keep whirling as Billy went after its flank.
I brandished my staff, timing my shot with my teeth gritted, and then screamed again as I sent another lance of force at the creature, aiming for its legs. The blast tore gashes in the asphalt and brought the nearly invisible thing to the ground, once more disrupting its veil. Billy and Georgia rushed toward it to keep it pinned down, and I raised my staff, calling up more energy. My next shot was going to pile-driver the thing straight down into the water table, by God.

But once more, its shape turned liquid—and suddenly a hawk with a wingspan longer than my car tore into the air, reptilian yellow eyes glaring. It soared aloft, its wings beating twice, and vanished into the night sky.
I stared after that for a second. Then I said, "Oh, crap."
I looked around in the wildly dancing light of my amulet, and rushed toward Andi. She was unconscious, her body reverted to its human form—that of a redhead with a killer figure. One entire side of her body was a swelling purple bruise. She had a broken arm, shoulder, ribs, and her face was so horribly damaged that I had to worry about her skull as well. She was breathing, barely.
The shapeshifter had been strong.
Georgia arrived at my side in wolf form, her eyes, ears, and nose all alert, scanning around us, above us.
I turned my head to see Billy, nude and in human form, crouched over Kirby. I lifted my light and moved a couple of steps over toward him so I could see.
Kirby's throat was gone. Just gone. There was a scoop of flesh as wide as my palm missing, and bare vertebrae showed at the back of it. The edges of the gaping wound were black and crumbling, as if charred to black dust. Kirby's eyes were glassy and staring. His blood was everywhere.
A shotgun boomed, much closer to us than the earlier gunfire had been. It was immediately followed by the sounds of something heavy being slammed several times into the walls and floor.
The psychic stench of the skinwalker abruptly thickened and I said, "Here it comes!"
By the time I got to "it," the skinwalker was already through the door to the outer office, seemingly moving faster than the splinters that flew off the door when the creature shattered it. Covered in a veil, it was just a flickering blur in the air.
I brought my shield up, focused far forward, filling the doorway to Lara's office with invisible force. The skinwalker hit the barrier with all of its strength and speed. The shield held—barely—but so much energy had gone into the impact that wisps of smoke began curling up from the bracelet, and the skin on my wrist got singed. So much force surged into my shield that it physically drove me back across a foot of carpet.
As it hit, the energies of the skinwalker's veil came into conflict with those in my shield, each canceling out the other, and for a second the creature was visible as an immensely tall, lean, shaggy, vaguely humanoid thing with matted yellow hair and overlong forelimbs tipped in long, almost delicate claws.
As the shield fell, Anastasia pointed a finger at the thing and hissed a word, and a blindingly bright beam of light no thicker than a hair flashed out from her finger. It was fire magic not unlike my own, but infinitely more intense and focused and far more energy efficient. The beam swept past the skinwalker, intersecting with its upper left arm, and where it touched fur burned away and flesh boiled and bubbled and blackened.
The skinwalker flashed to one side of the doorway and vanished, leaving nothing behind but a view of the smoking pinprick hole in the expensive paneling of the outer office.
I pointed my staff at the door and Lara did the same thing with the gun.
For maybe ten seconds, everything was silent.
"Where is it?" Lara hissed.
"Gone?" Justine suggested. "Maybe it got scared when Warden Luccio hurt it."
"No, it didn't," I said. "It's smart. Right now it's looking for a better way to get to us."
I looked around the office, trying to think like the enemy. "Let's see," I said. "IfI was a shapeshifting killing machine, how would I get in here?"
The options were limited. There was the door in front of us and the window behind us. I turned to face the window, still looking. Silence reigned, except for the sigh of the air-conditioning, billowing steadily into the office from the—
From the vents.
I turned and thrust my staff toward a large air vent, covered with the usual slatted steel contraption, drew forth my will, and screamed, "Fulminos!"
Blue-white lightning suddenly filled the air with flickering fire, while a spear of blinding heat and force crackled forth from my staff and slammed into the metal vent. The metal absorbed the electricity, and I knew it would carry it back through the vent itself—and into anything inside.
There was a weird, chirping scream and then the vent cover flew outward, followed by a python-shaped blur in the air. Even as it arced toward us, that shape flowed and changed into that of something low-slung, stocky, and viciously powerful, like maybe a badger or a wolverine.
It hit Anastasia high on the chest and slammed her to the floor.
And on the way down, I caught a flash of golden-yellow eyes dancing with sadistic glee.
I turned to kick the thing off of Anastasia, but Lara beat me to the metaphorical punch. She slammed the barrel of her machine pistol into its flank as if driving a beer tap into a wooden keg with her bare hands, and pulled the trigger on the way.
Fire and noise filled the room, and the skinwalker went bouncing to one side. It hit the ground once, twisted itself in midair and raked its claws across Justine's midsection. Using the reaction to control its momentum, it landed on its feet and hurled itself out of the room by way of the window behind Lara's desk.


Justine staggered and let out a small cry of pain.
Lara stared at the window for a second, her eyes wide, then breathed, "Empty night."
I turned to Anastasia but she waved me off with a grimace. It didn't look like she was bleeding. I turned to Justine and tried to assess her injuries. There were six horizontal lines sliced into the soft flesh of her abdomen, as neatly as if with a scalpel. Blood was welling readily from them—but I didn't think any of them had been deep enough to open the abdominal cavity or reach an artery.
I seized Lara's discarded coat, folded it hastily, and pressed it against Justine's belly. "Hold it here," I snapped to Justine. "You've got to control the bleeding. Hold it here."
Her teeth were bared in pain, but she nodded and grasped at the improvised pad with both hands as I helped her up.
Lara looked from Justine to the window, her eyes a little wide. "Empty night," she said again. "I've never seen anything that fast."
Given that I had once seen her cover ground in a dead sprint at maybe fifty miles an hour, I figured she knew what she was talking about. We were never going to get that thing to hold still long enough to kill it.

I went to the window, hoping to spot it, and found myself staring into an oncoming comet of purple flame, presumably courtesy of the skinwalker. I fell back, hurling my left arm and its shield bracelet in an instinctive gesture, and the fiery hammer of the explosion flung me supine to the floor.
That otherworldly shriek sounded again, mocking and full of spite, and then there was a crash from somewhere below us.
"It's back inside the house," I said. I offered my hand to Anastasia to help her up. She took it, but as I began to pull, she clenched her teeth over a scream, and I eased her back onto the floor at once.
"Can't," she panted, breathing hard. "It's my collarbone."
I spat out a curse. Of every kind of simple fracture there is, a fractured collarbone is one of the most agonizing and debilitating injuries you can get. She wasn't going to be doing any more fighting today. Hell, she wasn't going to be doing any morestanding.
The floor beneath my feet abruptly exploded. I felt a steel cable wrap my ankle and pull, and then I was falling with a hideous stench filling my nose. I crashed down onto something that slowed my fall but gave way, and I went farther down still. The noise was hideous. Then the fall stopped abruptly, though I wasn't quite sure which way was up. About a hundred objects slammed into me all at the same time, pounding the wind out of my lungs.
I lay there stunned for a few seconds, struggling to remember how to breathe. The floor. The skinwalker had smashed its way up to me through the floor. It had pulled me down—but all the falling debris must have crashed through the floor the skinwalker had been standing on in turn.
I'd just fallen two stories amidst maybe a ton of debris, and managed to survive it. Talk about lucky.
And then, beneath my lower back, something moved.
The rubble shifted and a low growl began to reverberate up through it.
In a panic, I tried to force my dazed body to flee, but before I could figure out how it worked, a yellow-furred, too-long forearm exploded up out of the rubble. Quicker than you could say "the late Harry Dresden," its long, clawed fingers closed with terrible strength on my throat and shut off my air.

Here's something a lot of people don't know: being choked unconscious hurts.
There's this horrible, crushing pain on your neck, followed by an almost instant surge of terrible pressure that feels like it's going to blow your head to tiny pieces from the inside. That's the blood that's being trapped in your brain. The pain surges and ebbs in time with your heartbeat, which is probably racing.
It doesn't matter if you're a waifish supermodel or a steroid-popping professional wrestler, because it isn't an issue of strength or willpower—it's simple physiology. If you're human and you need to breathe, you're going down. A properly applied choke will take you from feisty to unconscious in four or five seconds.
Of course, if the choker wants to make the victim hurt more, they can be sloppy about the choke, make it take longer.
I'll let you guess which the skinwalker preferred.
I struggled, but I might as well have saved myself the effort. I couldn't break the grip on my neck. The pile of rubble shifted and surged, and then the skinwalker sat up out of the wreckage, sloughing it off as easily as an arctic wolf emerging from a bed beneath the snow. The skinwalker's nightmarishly long arms hung below its knees, so as it began moving down the hallway, I was able to get my hands and knees underneath me, at least part of the time, preventing my neck from snapping under the strain of supporting my own weight.
I heard boots hitting hardwood. The skinwalker let out a chuckling little growl and casually slammed my head against the wall. Stars and fresh pain flooded my perceptions. Then I felt myself falling through the air and landing in a tumble of arms and legs that only seemed to be connected to me in the technical sense.
I lifted dazed eyes to see the security guy from the entrance hall come around the corner, that little machine gun held to his shoulder, his cheek resting against the stock so that the barrel pointed wherever his eyes were focused. When he saw the skinwalker, uncovered from its veil, he stopped in his tracks. To his credit, he couldn't have hesitated for more than a fraction of a second before he opened fire.
Bullets zipped down the hall, so close that I could have reached out a hand and touched them. The skinwalker flung itself to one side, a golden-furred blur, and rebounded off the wall toward the gunman, its form changing. Then it leapt into the air, flipping its body as it did, and suddenly a spider the size of a subcompact car was racing along the ceiling toward the security guy.
At that point, he impressed me again. He turned and ran, sprinting around a corner with the skinwalker coming hard behind.
"Now!" someone called, as the skinwalker reached the intersection of the two hallways, and a sudden howl of thunder filled the hallways with noise and light. Bullets ripped into the floor, the wall, and the ceiling, coming from some point out of sight around the corner, filling the air with splinters of shattered hardwood.
The skinwalker let out a deafening caterwaul of pain and boundless fury. The gunfire reached a thunderous, frantic crescendo.
Then men began screaming.
I tried to push myself to my feet, but someone had set the hallway on tumble dry, and I fell down again. I kept trying. Whoever had made the hall start acting like a Laundromat dryer had to run out of quarters eventually. By using the wall, I managed to make it to my knees.
I heard a soft sound behind me. I turned my head blearily toward the source of the noise and saw three pale, lithe forms drop silently from the floors above through the hole that the skinwalker had made. The first was Lara Raith. She'd torn her skirt up one side, almost all the way to her hip, and when she landed in a silent crouch, she looked cold and feral and dangerous with her sword in one hand and her machine pistol in the other.

The other two women were vampires as well, their pale skin shining with eerie beauty, their eyes glittering like polished silver coins—the sisters Justine had mentioned, I presumed. I guess I'd arrived in the middle of the night, vampire time, and gotten some people out of bed. The first sister wore nothing but weapons and silver body piercings, which gleamed on one eyebrow, one nostril, her lower lip, and her nipples. Her dark hair had been cropped close to her head except for where her bangs fell to veil one of her eyes, and she carried a pair of wavy-bladed swords like Lara's.
The second seemed to be taller and more muscular than the other two. She wore what looked like a man's shirt, closed with only a single button. Her long hair was a mess, still tousled from sleep, and she held an exotic-looking axe in her hands, its blade honed along a concave edge instead of the more conventional convex one.
Without any visible signal, they all started prowling forward at the same time—and it was a prowl, an atavistic, feline motion that carried what were very clearly predators forward in total silence. Lara paused when she reached me, glanced over my injuries with cold silver eyes and whispered, "Stay down."
No problem, I thought dully. Down is easy.
The screaming stopped with a last stuttering burst of gunfire. The security guy came staggering around the corner. Blood matted his hair and covered half of his face. There was a long tear through his jacket on the left side. His left arm hung uselessly, but he still gripped the handle of his miniature assault weapon with his right. He wavered and dropped to one knee as he spotted the three vampires.
Lara gestured with a hand, and the other two spread out and moved forward, while she came to the side of the wounded guard. "What happened?"
"We hit it," he said, his voice slurred. "We hit it with everything. Didn't even slow it down. They're dead. They're all dead."
"You're bleeding," Lara said in a calm tone. "Get behind me. Defend the wizard."
He nodded unsteadily. "Yeah. Okay."
Lara's guy had to be either incredibly lucky or really good to have survived a close-quarters battle with the skinwalker. I stared dully at security guy for a second before my impact-addled brain sent up a warning flag. Nobody was that lucky.
"Lara!" I choked out.
Security guy turned in a blur of motion, sweeping the machine gun at Lara's head like a club—but she had begun moving the instant she'd heard my warning and he missed knocking her head off her shoulders by a fraction of an inch. She flung herself to one side and rolled as security guy's other arm flashed out, lengthening and sprouting yellow fur and claws as it came. She avoided the worst of it, but the skinwalker's claws left a triple line of incisions down one shapely thigh, and they welled with blood a little too pale and pearly to be human.
The skinwalker followed her motion, surging forward, its body broadening and thickening into the form of something like a great bear with oversized jaws and vicious fangs. It overbore her by sheer mass, slapping and raking with its clawed paws, snapping with its steely jaws. I heard a bone break, heard Lara cry out in rage—and then the skinwalker flew straight up into the ceiling, its head and shoulders slamming into it with such force that it went cleanly through it, and out onto the floor above.
Lara had rolled to her back, and had launched the thing away from her with her legs. They were long and smoothly muscled and utterly desirable, even as she lowered them and rolled lightly to her feet, holding one arm tucked in close to her side. Her skin shone with cold, alien power, and her eyes had become spheres of pure white. She stared at the ceiling for a few seconds, slowly lifting and straightening her arm as she did.
Her forearm had received a compound fracture. I could see bone poking out through the flesh. But over the next few seconds, the flesh seemed to ripple and become more malleable. The bone withdrew, vanishing beneath the skin of her arm—even the hole that the bone had torn in the skin sealed slowly closed, and in ten seconds I couldn't even tell she'd been hurt.

She turned those empty white eyes to me and stared at me with an expression of focused naked hunger. For a second, I felt my body responding to her desire, even as woozy as I was, but that was quickly snuffed out by a surge of nausea. I turned my head and threw up onto the expensive floor while my head and neck screamed with pain.
When I looked up again, Lara had turned her head away from me. She picked up her fallen weapon—but the machine pistol had been bent into the shape of a comma by a blow from the skinwalker's sledgehammer paws. She discarded it, recovered her sword, and drew the matching weapon from her belt. She was breathing quickly—not in effort, but in raw excitement, and the tips of her breasts strained against her dirtied blouse. She licked her lips slowly and said, evidently for my benefit, "I sometimes see Madeline's point."
There was a feminine scream from somewhere close by, a challenge that was answered by a leonine roar that shook the hallway. The short-haired sister flew into the wall at the T intersection ahead, and collapsed like a rag doll. There were sounds of swift motion from around the corner, and a gasp.
Then silence.
A moment later, a blur came around the corner, dragging the axe-wielding sister's limp form by the hair. The veil faded as the skinwalker came closer, once more showing us its bestial, not-quite-human form. It stopped in front of us, maybe ten feet away. Then, quite casually, it lifted one of the unconscious vampire's hands to its fanged mouth and, never looking away from Lara, calmly nipped off a finger and swallowed it.
Lara narrowed her eyes, and her rich mouth split into a wide, hungry smile. "Did you need a break before we continue?"
The skinwalker spoke, its voice weirdly modulated, as if several different creatures were approximating speech at the same time. "Break?"
With the word, it calmly snapped the vampire girl's left arm in midhumerus.
Hell's bells.

"I am going to kill you," Lara said calmly.
The skinwalker laughed. It was a hideous sound. "Little phage. Even here at the center of your power, you could not stop me. Your warriors lay slain. Your fellow phages are fallen. Even the foolish pretenders to power visiting your house could not stop me."
I'd gotten enough of my head back together to push myself to my feet. Lara never looked at me, but I could sense her attention on me nonetheless. I didn't have time to gather my will for a magical strike. The skinwalker would feel me doing it long before it became a fact.
Fortunately, I plan for such contingencies.
The eight silver rings I wore, one on each of my fingers, served a couple of purposes. The triple bands of silver were moderately heavy, and if I had to slug someone, they made a passably good imitation of brass knuckles. But their main purpose was to store back a little kinetic energy every time I moved one of my arms. It took a while to build up a charge, but when they were ready to go, I could release the force stored in each ring with instant precision. A blast from a single band of a ring could knock a big man off his feet and take the fight out of him in the process. There were three bands to each ring—which meant that I had a dozen times that much force ready to go on each hand.
I didn't bother to say anything to Lara. I just lifted my right fist and triggered every ring on it, unleashing a pile driver of kinetic energy at the skinwalker. Lara bounded forward at the same instant, swords spinning, ready to lay into the skinwalker when my strike threw it off balance and distracted it.
But the skinwalker lifted its left hand, fingers crooked into a familiar defensive gesture, and the wave of force that should have knocked it tail over teakettle bounced back from it like light from a mirror—and struck Lara full-on instead.
Lara let out a startled whuffas the equivalent force of a speeding car slammed into her, knocked her back, and flattened her against the mound of rubble still filling the hallway behind me.
The skinwalker's mouth split into a leering smile of its own, and its bestial voice purred, "Break, little phage. Break."
Lara gasped and lifted herself up with her arms. Her white eyes were fixed on the skinwalker, her lips twisted into a defiant snarl.
I stood there staring at the skinwalker. It was hard, and I had to use the wall to help me balance. Then I took a deep breath and stepped away from the wall, moving very carefully, until I stood between the skinwalker and Lara. I turned to face it squarely.
"Okay," I said. "Let's have it."
"Have what, pretender?" the skinwalker growled.
"You aren't here to kill us," I said. "You could have done it by now."
"Oh, so true," it murmured, its eyes dancing with malicious pleasure.
"You don't have to gloat about it, prick," I muttered under my breath. Then I addressed the skinwalker again. "You must want to talk. So why don't you just say what you came to say?"
The skinwalker studied me, and idly nipped another finger from the unconscious vampire girl. It chewed slowly, with some truly unsettling snapping, popping sounds, and then swallowed. "You will trade with me."
I frowned. "Trade?"
The skinwalker smiled again and tugged something from around its neck with one talon. Then it caught the object and tossed it to me. I caught it. It was a silver pentacle necklace, a twin to my own, if considerably less battered and worn.
It was Thomas's necklace.
My belly went cold.
"Trade," the skinwalker said. "Thomas of Raith. For the doomed warrior."
I eyed the thing. So it wanted Morgan, too. "Suppose I tell you to fuck off."
"I will no longer be in a playful mood," it purred. "I will come for you. I will kill you. I will kill your blood, your friends, your beasts. I will kill the flowers in your home and the trees in your tiny fields. I will visit such death upon whatever is yours that your very name will be remembered only in curses and tales of terror."
I believed the creature.
No reflexive comeback quip sprang from my lips. Given what I'd seen of the skinwalker's power, I had to give that one a five-star rating on the threatometer.
"And to encourage you . . ." Its gaze shifted to Lara. "If the wizard does not obey, I will unmake you as well. I will do it every bit as easily as I have done today. And it will bring me intense pleasure to do so."
Lara stared at the skinwalker with pure white eyes, her expression locked into a snarl of hate.
"Do you understand me, little phage? You and that rotting bag of flesh you've attached yourself to?"
"I understand," Lara spat.
The skinwalker's smile widened for an instant. "If the doomed warrior is not delivered to me by sundown tomorrow, I will begin my hunt."
"It might take more time than that," I said.
"For your sake, pretender, pray it does not." It idly flung the unconscious vampire away from it, to land in a heap atop the other sister. "You may reach me through his speaking devices," the skinwalker said.
Then it leapt lightly up through one of the holes in the ceiling, and was gone.
I slumped against the wall, almost falling.
"Thomas," I whispered.
That nightmare had my brother
The naagloshii's yellow eyes burned with hate as it closed the distance and lifted its claws.
"Hey," said a quiet voice. "Ugly."
I turned and stared across the small clearing at the same time the skinwalker did.
I don't know how Injun Joe managed to get through the ring of attackers and to the summit of the hill, but he had. He stood there in moccasins, jeans, and a buckskin shirt decorated with bone beads and bits of turquoise. His long silver hair hung in its customary braid, and the bone beads of his necklace gleamed pale in the night's gloom.
The naagloshii faced the medicine man without moving.
The hilltop was completely silent and still.
Then Listens-to-Wind smiled. He hunkered down and rubbed his hands in some mud and loose earth that lightly covered the rocky summit of the hill. He cupped his hands, raised them to just below his face, and inhaled through his nose, breathing in the scent of the earth. Then he rubbed his hands slowly together, the gesture somehow reminding me of a man preparing to undertake heavy routine labor.
He rose to his feet again, and said, calmly, "Mother says you have no place here."
The naagloshii bared its fangs. Its growl prowled around the hilltop like a beast unto itself.
Lightning flashed overhead with no accompanying rumble of thunder. It cast a harsh, eerily silent glare down on the skinwalker. Listens-to-Wind turned his face up to the skies and cocked his head slightly. "Father says you are ugly," he reported. He narrowed his eyes and straightened his shoulders, facing the naagloshii squarely as thunder rolled over the island, lending a monstrous growling undertone to the old man's voice. "I give you this chance. Leave. Now."
The skinwalker snarled. "Old spirit caller. The failed guardian of a dead people. I do not fear you."
"Maybe you should," Listens-to-Wind said. "The boy almost took you, and he doesn't even know the Diné, much less the Old Ways. Begone. Last chance."
The naagloshii let out a warbling growl as its body changed, thickening, growing physically thicker, more powerful-looking. "You are not a holy man. You do not follow the Blessing Way. You have no power over me."
"Don't plan to bind or banish you, old ghost," Injun Joe said. "Just gonna kick your ass up between your ears." He clenched his hands into fists and said, "Let's go."
The skinwalker let out a howl and hurled its arms forward. Twin bands of darkness cascaded forth, splintering into dozens and dozens of shadowy serpents that slithered through the night air in a writhing cloud, darting toward Listens-to-Wind. The medicine man didn't flinch. He lifted his arms to the sky, threw back his head, and sang in the wavering, high-pitched fashion of the native tribes. The rain, which had vanished almost entirely, came down again in an almost solid sheet of water that fell on maybe fifty square yards of hilltop, drenching the oncoming swarm of sorcery and melting it to nothing before it could become a threat.
Injun Joe looked back down again at the naagloshii. "That the best you got?"
The naagloshii snarled more words in unknown tongues, and began flinging power with both arms. Balls of fire like the one I had seen at Château Raith were followed by crackling spheres of blue sparks and wobbling green spheres of what looked like Jell-O and smelled like sulfuric acid. It was an impressive display of evocation. Had a kitchen sink gone flying toward Listens-to-Wind, conjured from who knows where, it wouldn't have startled me. The naagloshii pulled out all the stops, hurling enough raw power at the small, weathered medicine man to scour the hilltop clean to the bedrock.
I have no idea how the old man countered it all, even though I watched him do it. Again he sang, and this time shuffled his feet in time with the music, bending his old body forward and back again, the motions obviously slowed and muted by his age but just as obviously part of a dance. He was wearing a band of bells on his ankles, and another on each wrist, and they jingled in time with his singing.
All of that power coming at him seemed unable to find a mark. Fire flashed by him as his feet shuffled and his body swayed without so much as singeing a hair. Crackling balls of lightning vanished a few feet in front of him, and resumed their course a few feet beyond him, apparently without crossing the space between. Globes of acid wobbled in flight and splattered over the earth, sizzling and sending up clouds of choking vapors, but not actually doing him any harm. The defense was elegant. Rather than trying to match force against force and power against power, the failure of the incoming sorcery to harm Listens-to-Wind seemed like part of the natural order, as if the world was a place in which such a thing was perfectly normal, reasonable, and expected.
But as the naagloshii hurled agony and death in a futile effort to overcome Listens-to-Wind's power, it was also striding forward, closing the distance between them, until it stood less than twenty feet from the old medicine man. Then its eyes glittered with a terrible joy, and with a roar it hurled itself physically upon the old man.
My heart leapt into my throat. Listens-to-Wind might not have come down on my side in this matter, but he had helped me more than once in the past, and was one of the few wizards to hold Ebenezar McCoy's respect. He was a decent man, and I didn't want to see him get hurt in my defense. I tried to cry out a warning, and as I did, I caught the look on his face as the naagloshii pounced.
Injun Joe was smiling a fierce, wolfish smile.
The naagloshii came down, its mouth stretching into a wolflike muzzle, extending claws on all four of its limbs as it prepared to savage the old man.
But Listens-to-Wind spoke a single word, his voice shaking the air with power, and then his form melted and shifted, changing as fluidly as if he'd been made of liquid mercury that until that moment had only been held in the shape of an old man by an effort of will. His form simply resolved itself into something different, as naturally and swiftly as taking a deep breath.
When the naagloshii came down, it didn't sink its claws into a leathery old wizard.
Instead, it found itself muzzle to muzzle with a brown bear the size of a minibus.
The bear let out a bone-shaking roar and surged forward, overwhelming the naagloshii with raw mass and muscle power. If you've ever seen a furious beast like that in action, you know that it isn't something that can be done justice in any kind of description. The volume of the roar, the surge of implacable muscle beneath heavy pelt, the flash of white fangs and glaring red-rimmed eyes combine into a whole that is far greater than the sum of its parts. It's terrifying, elemental, touching upon some ancient instinctual core inside every human alive that remembers that such things equal terror and death.
The naagloshii screamed, a weird and alien shriek, and raked furiously at the bear, but it had outsmarted itself. Its long, elegantly sharp claws, perfect for eviscerating soft-skinned humans, simply did not have the mass and power they needed to force their way through the bear's thick pelt and the hide beneath, much less the depth to cut through layers of fat and heavy muscle. It might as well have strapped plastic combs to its limbs, for all the good its claws did it.
The bear seized the skinwalker's skull in its vast jaws, and for a second, it looked like the fight was over. Then the naagloshii blurred, and where a vaguely simian creature had been an instant before, there was only a tiny flash of urine yellow fur, a long, lean creature like a ferret with oversized jaws. It wiggled free of the huge bear and evaded two slaps of its giant paws, letting out a defiant, mocking snarl as it slid free.
But Injun Joe wasn't done yet, either. The bear lifted itself into a ponderous leap, and came down to earth again as a coyote, lean and swift, that raced after the ferret nimbly, fangs bright. It rushed after the fleeing ferret—which suddenly turned, jaws opening wide, and then wider, and wider, until an alligator coated in sparse tufts of yellow fur turned to meet the onrushing canine, which found itself too close to turn aside.
The canine form melted as it shot toward the alligator's maw, and a dark-winged raven swept into the jaws and out the far side as they snapped shut. The raven turned its head and let out mocking caws of laughter as it flew away, circling around the clearing.
The alligator shuddered all over, and became a falcon, golden and swift, its head marked by tufts of yellowish fur that almost looked like the naagloshii's ears had in its near-human form. It hurtled forward with supernatural speed, vanishing behind a veil as it flew.
I heard the raven's wings beat overhead as it circled cautiously, looking for its enemy—and then was struck from behind by the falcon's claws. I watched in horror as the hooked beak descended to rip at the captured raven—and met the spiny, rock-hard back of a snapping turtle. A leathery head twisted and jaws that could cut through medium-gauge wire clamped onto the naagloshii-falcon's leg, and it let out another alien shriek of pain as the two went plummeting to the earth together.
But in the last few feet, the turtle shimmered into the form of a flying squirrel, limbs extended wide, and it converted some of its falling momentum into forward motion, dropping to a roll as it hit the ground. The falcon wasn't so skilled. It began to change into something else, but struck the stony earth heavily before it could finish resolving into a new form.
The squirrel whirled, bounded, and became a mountain lion in midleap, landing on the stunned, confused mass of feathers and fur that was the naagloshii. Fangs and claws tore, and black blood stained the ground to the sound of more horrible shrieks. The naagloshii coalesced into an eerie shape, four legs and batlike wings, with eyes and mouths everywhere. All the mouths were screaming, in half a dozen different voices, and it managed to tear its way free of the mountain lion's grip and go flapping and tumbling awkwardly across the ground. It staggered wildly and began to leap clumsily into the air, bat wings beating. It looked like an albatross without enough headwind, and the mountain lion was hard on its heels the whole way, claws lashing out to tear and rake.

The naagloshii disappeared into the darkness, its howls drifting up in its wake as it fled. It continued to scream in pain, almost sobbing, as it rushed down the slope toward the lake. Demonreach followed its departure with a surly sense of satisfaction, and I couldn't say that I blamed it.
The skinwalker fled the island. Its howls drifted on the night wind for a time, and then they were gone.
The mountain lion stared in the direction that the naagloshii had fled for long moments. Then he sat down, his head hanging, shivered, and became Injun Joe once more. The old man was sitting on the ground, supporting himself with both hands. He stood up slowly, and a bit stiffly, and one of his arms looked like it might be broken midway between wrist and elbow. He continued to look after his routed opponent, then snorted once and turned to walk carefully over to me.
"Wow," I told him quietly.
He lifted his chin slightly. For a moment, pride and power shone in his dark eyes. Then he smiled tiredly at me, and was only a calm, tired-looking old man again. "You claimed this place as a sanctum?" he asked.
I nodded. "Last night."
He looked at me, and couldn't seem to make up his mind whether to laugh in my face or slap me upside the head. "You don't get into trouble by halves, do you, son?"
"Apparently not," I slurred. I spat blood from my mouth. There was a lot of that, at the moment. My face hadn't stopped hurting just because the naagloshii was gone.
Injun Joe knelt down beside me and examined my wounds in a professional manner. "Not life-threatening," he assured me. "We need your help."
"You're kidding," I said. "I'm tapped. I can't even walk."
"All you need is your mind," he said. "There are trees around the battle below. Trees that are under strain. Can you feel them?"
He'd barely said the words when I felt them through my link to the island's spirit. There were fourteen trees, in fact, most of them old willows near the water. Their branches were bowed down, sagging beneath enormous burdens.
"Yeah," I said. My voice sounded distant to me, and full of detached calm.
"The island can be most swiftly rid of the beings in them," Injun Joe said. "If it withdraws the water from the earth beneath those trees for a time."
"So?" I said. "How am I supposed to—"
I tried to bold the relevant physical and shapeshifting feats.

I mean, have you seen that video of a priarie falcon breaking a duck's neck in a flyby?
Where it was moving so fast in level flight it was almost a blur for the camera?

View: https://youtu.be/73OvZ_l35Sw

That wasnt even a peregrine.
 
The problem with chemical warfare (or many other environmental effects) is that Sphere-based magic is perfect to counter that.
Let's just take a look at what a Naagloshii that has eaten only moderatly skilled mages can do:
  • Create a sphere of fresh air around himself, Forces 2
  • Temporarily make the gas so heavy it stays compressed on the ground or just transform it into a harmless gas, Matter 2 or 3
  • Give himself good poison-resistance or advanced biological filtration, Life 3 (if his shapeshifting doesn't cover that by itself)
  • Have the gas break down and react with things other than himself, Entropy 3
  • Just get out via a Way, Spirit 3
These were the thoughts of 5 minutes, I'm sure an experienced player or an actual mage can think of many more options.
Getting out via a way works for everything, including nukes. We have to assume that it's not that easy.

Free matter transmuation (one element into another) is not easy in Dresdenverse, as I understand it. Gas breakdown - we could use chlorine or any other monoelemental gases as weapons. They are pretty effective.

Alternatively, or in addition to it, we could use radiation. TTC to make a hard gamma radiation source, then give it lethal (in minutes) radiation sickness. Beat it while it's trying to save itself from radiation poisoning.

As long as we can get to it (Crown to find it, Dresden's help for ambush), we could take it in any number of horrific ways. If it has a residence, get to it while it's out, booby trap it with chemical weapons and such, then alpha-strike with radiation and chemicals in its sleep, then finish it off.

Supernatural predators aren't adapted to being properly hunted. They are adapted to prey resisting their hunting.
 
Oh.
Nah, Im not in favor of taking an Infernal charm to avoid sleep. Running To Forever stops us growing tired mid-story arc, and is very welcome, but I happen to be of the opinion that Molly needs the human connection too much to go diving into the actual sleep elimination charm.
Transhumanism for fun and power is the one thing Infernals are much better at than Solars (That and minions, at least in Exalted).
I wouldn't miss out on that.

Getting out via a way works for everything, including nukes. We have to assume that it's not that easy.

Free matter transmuation (one element into another) is not easy in Dresdenverse, as I understand it. Gas breakdown - we could use chlorine or any other monoelemental gases as weapons. They are pretty effective.

Alternatively, or in addition to it, we could use radiation. TTC to make a hard gamma radiation source, then give it lethal (in minutes) radiation sickness. Beat it while it's trying to save itself from radiation poisoning.

As long as we can get to it (Crown to find it, Dresden's help for ambush), we could take it in any number of horrific ways. If it has a residence, get to it while it's out, booby trap it with chemical weapons and such, then alpha-strike with radiation and chemicals in its sleep, then finish it off.

Supernatural predators aren't adapted to being properly hunted. They are adapted to prey resisting their hunting.
I'm just saying that relativly free-form mages have a lot of options to negate environmental damage.
And natural Shapeshifters also have an advantage in that area.
And this particular shapeshifter with mage-powers from the people he's eaten is also tough enough not to be distracted by the pain of any initial effect we might get from an ambush.

From the Quotes that @uju32 just helpfully provided it looks like the most effective attacks against it were Lara's straight physical attacks like kicking it through some walls and Joseph's shapeshifted physical attacks.

It's good enough at magic to deflect or weaken everything Dresden can do and Dresden does have a considerable amout of raw power behind his mojo.
So getting it in a place where it can't easily get away and putting ours and Micheal's swords in it seems like the relativly best option, though I would want some more Charms for that to be honest.
 
Tzar Bomb - accept no substitute.
Like Artemis said, not a personal weapon.
We can conceivably dual wield Davy Crocketts, or carry a suitcase/backpack nuke.
But unless you can point at another man-portable nuclear weapon, I would think thats about where we cap out.

On the bright side, we can have infinite reloads for a scene for the cost of just 1 Essence.
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Winter Court is a primarily west-based organization, Mab is younger than Nicodemius Archleone, and our insight into Yomi Wan surpasses mortal understanding, with the book we made describing not just politics, but metaphysics of Yomi Wan in detail that, if not written in a specific way, would cause SAN damage.

To make the equivalent, Winter is USA. Yomi Wan (collectively, not individually) is, probably, either China or Russia (hell, Afghanistan even) , and our book is an ultra-detailed sociol-politicial insider analysis of the structure of said nation. USA's CIA and military would very much find this book extra-valuable.
This Mab is younger than Nicodemus. She is explicitly not the first Winter Queen. And Mother Winter has been around since the beginning. The Winter Court(and the Summer Court) as institutions are much older than Mab is, and has shared responsibility for the Outer Gates for millenia according to Word of Jim.

You underestimate their institutional memory.

To use your analogy, we are writing a sanitized primer to China or Russia's internal socioplolitics.
Which is a place where the CIA and State Department has been operating for almost a century now.
Winter will have the deep lore. Including those parts we couldnt write so as not to drive mortals mad.

Ivy has a copy, yes. She doesn't have (much) reason to share it with anyone. On the flipside, potential Wan Kuei Ivy.
Eh. Ivy has the mojo to simultaneously stomp a third of the Denarians as long as she has access to power.
Wan Kuei are frankly beneath her.
Even the actual Yomi Kings would step carefully around her.
Very, very strongly disagree. Winning is, at most, a month away if we want to. When the Tigers Broke Free + combat gases (sarin and others) would solve our issues. As long as we can fight it in a confined space with a bit of prep, we win. Because we are (can be) immune to environmental damage. It isn't. Don't think nukes. Think chemical warfare. There's a lot of nasty stuff there. We'll need to do decontamination afterwards with TTC, but in general that's the direction we would want to go. And then we drop it into a pool of molten iron (because we are also immune to liquids). The only issue is getting it into a confined space
Semi-divine immortal spirit of sadism and terror. Which part suggests that it needs to breathe?
Or that it cant simply shapeshift into biology that ignores or mitigates chemical weapons? Or even just tank the damage the way it tanked a full Uzi mag at contact range then continued to lolstomp the rest of the household?

Granted, Dresden almost strangled it with a soulfire infused magical garrotte, but that wasnt an air thing.
That was a magic thing.
 
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Molly may no longer be covered by the Archive's Intellectus. She doesn't have access to all writing, only all things written by a mortal human.

So until someone else makes a copy, Ivy doesn't know it. Possibly not even then, depending on how conceptual it is. A mortal human may need to rewrite it in their own words.
 
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Ivy has the mojo to simultaneously stomp a third of the Denarians as long as she has access to power.
Wan Kuei are frankly beneath her.
Even the actual Yomi Kings would step carefully around her.
Ivy is a big cheese while alive.

Not sure how much of that she could apply as a ghost or if her P'o goes to hell.

One trick more is definitly a good thing for her, even if it might not be stricktly necessary.
 
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