Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

So, in terms of investigation, we still have Greene's grave to see who was responsible for his murder, and the sniper-related questions. This should clear a lot of things up. We could probably also use Greene's badge (that should be a strong link) to locate his killer. Ambush favors us. Drop in with shintai already active, and I think we have a fair chance of winning. Especially if we get Dresden, Lydia and Mouse as a backup
We have the same metaphysical mass problem that naagloshii have in sneaking up on supernatural targets.
When you feel like a miniDarkhallow on two legs, you're not sneaking up on a millenia-old evil spirit of sadism and terror. Let alone with an active shintai.

Add to that the fact that its faster than us, and has actual ranged options, and I think you overstate our chances at the moment.
Really happy we sprung for that Familiar for Lydia with better passive magic senses.
And that Dresden reinforced her wards.

On the bright side, we have IC justification for telling Dresden to teach us Summoning, Warding and Binding.
 
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The Naagloshii and Molly being in the same area seems to have lead to crossed wires. Like say Dresden's badness detector went off but he ignored it because "It's just Molly". We just did that same thing assuming when someone talked about big badness being detected that they were talking about something we did.

Actually maybe the Naagloshii hasn't noticed us for the same reason?
 
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Nah he's noticed us.
Everyone with magic eyes in Chicago noticed us when we went shintai to murder the fuck out of Kattrin.
However I wont be surprised if a lot of people have mistaken the naagloshii's presence for our own.

We're going to need to call both Dresden and Gard to pass on warnings. And Brother Divsimar.
Probably the Ordo as well, though in their case we dont mention what we're warning them about.
And maybe ask if Dresden can rig up some quick defenses for Greene's place. Even if its only an alarm.

The Shin do have arts for banishing evil shen. I guess a true naagloshii might qualify.
 
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He lives behind wards and a threshold guarded by a Temple Dog. He is by no means an easy target.
He leaves regularly. Same as Molly, really, but outside his wards he's much less of a threat, and much more of a typical prey of choice than Molly is for a naagloshii.

I maintain that we should gather who we can gather (Dresden, Mouse, Lydia, Thomas, possibly Michael if he's allowed to join us, possibly Gard if she agrees to, and possibly old man Matthews if he's allowed to participate without us incurring debt), and go on the offensive, after spending a question to learn where it lives.
 
I vaguely recall naagloshii's intellectus also covers knowing "Who is afraid of me".

Keep that in mind when being specific about the threat. Most people with sense will have a healthy fear of it
 
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Might be as bad as that one, might not be.
That one seems to have been bested or at least matched in a transformation-battle with a single Senior Council member. So doable, though hard. The wiki is a bit unclear if Naagaloshii only applies to the original ones or to any mortal who learns skinwalking and dark magic from their kind.
Relevant:

Shagnasty

Quote from: tacomamafia on April 08, 2009, 06:09:20 PM
Anyhow. Did we ever decide who "hired" the skinwalker? Assuming, of course, that a semidivine immortal can be "hired".
Mab "hired" Harry, didn't she? Okay, it wasn't as simple as paying in cash, but nonetheless a transaction took place, or rather, is in the process of taking place. And Harry isn't just some schmuck whose services are available to the highest bidder. That said, when Mab whistled, he came running. It's not about money, but about a complex transfer of obligations, created over Harry's entire lifetime, and to some degree over the lifetime of his mother.

Even in the real world, obligation is something that you run into more and more as you get older. And something as old as the naagloshii has had a LONG time to acquire markers and to put a few of its own into circulation.

Of course there's also the possibility that maybe, just maybe, there are some things in the world who see something like the naagloshii as cheap muscle. And they finally noticed the annoying twit in Chicago. 8)


Quote from: loganphoenix on March 04, 2009, 03:25:31 AM
though in mythology a skinwalker is a human who can take animal shape
In mainstream Western academic mythology, which was mostly established at a time when everyone automatically assumed that the Native Americans couldn't possibly have had anything original in their mythos, (and when Buffalo Bill Cody's Wild West Show was drawing big crowds by claiming to present the "true" West) yes, a skinwalker is the same thing as a European gothic-witch/werewolf. :D
I'd advise anyone to at least read something that was written by someone who /talked/ to a Native American at some point, though. :) Preferably one of the Dine', though it is not a matter of open discussion among the tribes, even today.
They aren't the same. They share some similar capabilities, but they are not at /all/ the same.
8)
Jim

Shagnasty ran because the fight was too much effort said:
Quote from: Don on June 22, 2011, 07:02:03 PM
According to another thread that I read last night, my hunch about Mr. Ferro hiring Shagnasty appears to be incorrect. There's a WoJ stating that the person/thing/organization that hired him has been talked about, but we haven't yet seen her/him/it/them onstage. The quote didn't provide a date, but it was obviously after TC and before GS.
Actually, my original statement in this thread has been wildly misinterpreted. :)

Shagnasty and his ilk (I love that word) don't minion for anyone, is what I said, at least not since they stopped minioning for the Holy People.Now they /do/ trade favors. That can look a lot like minioning, but something like Shagnasty has no use whatsoever for paltry things like money or physical goods or slaves or magical gadgets or tech or human influence. That stuff, it would regard as insulting if it was offered.

The real currency is /favors/. And it had a mission while it was onstage in Turncoat. But honesty, just hurting the people who were trying to protect and aid Morgan was more than enough motivation for it to be there.

See, the flipside to the major currency being favors is that there is also an enormous trade in /grudges/. And something like the naagloshii doesn't just carry a grudge. It cherishes it, feeds it before it cares for its own progeny, and breeds it with other grudges to produce newer, stronger, more deeply malicious grudglings.

Yes, Shaggy was there at the behest of someone else. But mostly Shaggy was there because it was an awesome way to torment more-than-merely-mortals who couldn't just smack his ass down like the folks back at home. :) It didn't flee LtW because it was afraid it would lose. It fled because it couldn't easily /win/. That's an important distinction.

Most predators tend to take the sure thing whenever they possibly can. Why gamble on taking a beating when you have infinite time to come back later and kill someone properly, with lots and lots of foreplay?
:D
Keeping this in mind?
This naagloshii's presence here is on behalf of someone who can call in that sort of favor
And that isnt a very long list of people, none of which live in Chicago.

Kattrin might have been able to. White Court nobility dont have the juice for it.
There's a major Player, or Players involved.
He leaves regularly. Same as Molly, really, but outside his wards he's much less of a threat, and much more of a typical prey of choice than Molly is for a naagloshii.

I maintain that we should gather who we can gather (Dresden, Mouse, Lydia, Thomas, possibly Michael if he's allowed to join us, possibly Gard if she agrees to, and possibly old man Matthews if he's allowed to participate without us incurring debt), and go on the offensive, after spending a question to learn where it lives.
1)See my post above to @Artemis1992
Its a predator, not a soldier. It doesnt pick fights it doesnt think it can easily win, any more than a single lion will attempt to pick a fight with an adult honey badger.

And like I've pointed out, it cant sneak up on Dresden as per canon.Its psychic signature is too foul, too distinct for a professional wizard not to see it coming. And Dresden has been palling around with two Exalts recently.
Not to mention that Michael is currently in the city as well.

I mean, while Molly was living at home during the canon events of Turn Coat, and was literally at risk from the naagloshii?
Michael didnt show up. Suggesting he was out of town at the time. A semidivine sadistic serial killer would be a lot more circumspect with a Sword in town; they arent Denarians, and dont get to respawn when killed.

A Sword that killed a Dragon? Will murk a naagloshii.


2)Strongly disagree.
The only people of relevance here in an offensive capacity are Michael if the Sword decides to level the playing field, and Molly herself.Because of everyone mentioned, only Molly and the naagloshii can fly.

And because it is even faster than Molly currently is (read Dresden's first encounter with it, where it transformed into a peregrine falcon with a several meter long wingspan and just left after murdering an Alpha), it gets to set the terms of engagement.
It can kite and retreat at will in any sort of tactical scenario. It has Senior Council-scale ranged magic.

And all this assumes it chooses to stand and fight, instead of simply meep-meeping us and coming back in twelve or twenty four hours.
I vaguely recall naagloshii's intellectus also covers knowing "Who is afraid of me".
Keep that in mind when being specific about the threat. Most people with sense will have a healthy fear of it
Not quite. Citation:

2009 Independence signing:
Q: Will we run into whoever hired the skinwalker?
A: They have been mentioned, but they've not yet been onscreen.
Q: How and why did the skinwalker take Thomas?
A: Thomas was distracted by Binder's minions and the skinwalker saw the opportunity. It knew that Thomas is important to Harry, but not necessarily that Thomas is Harry's brother. The skinwalker exists in more than one dimension at a time and it has its own kind of intellectus when it comes to evil – it knows what will hurt you and scare you, even though it may not really know why. It took Thomas because he knew it would hurt and scare Harry. How it tortured Thomas wasn't part of any direction it was given to turn Thomas back into a monster, it was done because the skinwalker knew what would hurt Thomas and torment him, more than just physically.
Its intellectus is focused on what will hurt and scare people.
Not who is afraid of it.
 
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[]STUNT: You empty the glass of water, but your mouth still tastes like you swallowed something foul. Sarah Greene, noticing the look on your face, pauses, several expressions crossing her face before settling on concern. "Is everything alright?" "No" is your blunt reply. "Ms Greene," you say, fumbling out your phone "I think I need to make a call." It takes two rings, then someone picks up. "Harry, its Molly. Do the words naagloshii mean anything to you?"
 
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2)Strongly disagree.
The only people of relevance here in an offensive capacity are Michael if the Sword decides to level the playing field, and Molly herself.Because of everyone mentioned, only Molly and the naagloshii can fly.

And because it is even faster than Molly currently is (read Dresden's first encounter with it, where it transformed into a peregrine falcon with a several meter long wingspan and just left after murdering an Alpha), it gets to set the terms of engagement.
It can kite and retreat at will in any sort of tactical scenario. It has Senior Council-scale ranged magic.

And all this assumes it chooses to stand and fight, instead of simply meep-meeping us and coming back in twelve or twenty four hours.
Hmm, maybe Dresden can do something about that.

Slowing down someone, be it with gravity, pressure or straight up forcefields is definitly in the range of what a mage with good skill in Forces can do.

Now unlike Mages the Dresden-Wizards actually have to work out and learn their spells, but since Dresden does regularly encounter superhumanly fast opponents it wouldn't be too far out there to think that he has an idea of what to do when they try to get away, rather than charge at him as usual.

Edit: Of course a Naagloshii can counterspell him, but that's an action he can't use to flee or attack.
 
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Arc 5 Post 22: Trails Faded and New
Trails Faded and New

8th of September 2006 A.D.

You empty the glass of water, but your mouth still tastes like you swallowed something foul. Sarah Greene, noticing the look on your face, pauses, several expressions crossing her face before settling on concern. "Is everything alright?"

"No" is your blunt reply. "Ms Greene," you say, fumbling out your phone, no longer accustomed to needing to use the keypad. "I need to make a call." briefly you consider walking into the next room so that she will not hear the thing's name, but that is liable to activate every single suspicious bone in the agent's body. She did not get to where she is by being trusting of random strangers.

"Harry, does the word Naagloshii mean something to you?"

"What?" From the tone of sudden panic in his voice you guess it is.

"It's not in the room with me or anything. I just figured out what killed Detective Greene in June. The White Court... that is someone within the White Court seems to be tangled up in the whole thing."

Harry is not deterred: "Where are you?"

You give the address, though without going into anymore details. Sarah Greene deserves to hear how her husband died directly not in an overheard conversation. Turning back to her you square your shoulders and start. It's hard... there is not being glib, no magic combination of words that would make this easier. Maybe if you had a weeks or months of talking to her you could help, but you are neither a psychologist nor a priest, you are just the bearer of ill news to one already grieving.

"He died here... and he was killed by a monster that can just do that, kill with impunity under a magical glamor?"

"Shapechanger yes, old and dark and cruel, pure evil..." That is not entirely true, mistress, Usum interjects. If it were pure evil it would have no need to be performative about its cruelty, it would have no reason to try to break others into being more like itself.

Not helping,
you shoot back.

"The Naagloshii will not die if you shoot it, wouldn't even notice I'm afraid and the kinds of wards that could keep something like that out..." You consider the guardian you had raised for Helen Bekit. "Even if we could make something like that they would be blazingly obvious. The good news such as it is and what there is of it, is that it could of killed you but did not, it might even have left, its task done." Though I doubt we're that lucky, you think recalling the dark rumors the Leinth had mentioned "I hate so say this but..."

"You think I should run?" Seeing your startled expression Agent Greene laughs, it is not a pleasant sound. "Dealing with situations like this is my job Ms Carpenter, even if it is dealing with people who will die when shot."

"Run or not break cover, if you could find some way to get out of the city without seeming suspicious that would be ideal. Out of sight out of mind works with beings which are naturally inclined to dismiss mortals and anything that could command a Naagloshii will have had a long time indeed to grow prideful."

"No," she says instantly. "Running would be the first sign any predator will look for that I am no longer useful, not to mention it will just make it easier to arrange an 'accident'." Reasonable enough on the face of it, but the steely look in her eyes makes it clear that's not really why she's staying. Running would be admitting defeat, it wold be giving up on getting justice for her murdered husband .

You can respect that.

"Tea?" She asks after a long, uneasy silence. "I would offer coffee, but I've been trying to kick the habit."

So that is how Harry finds you, sipping green tea beside a window, making awkward small-talk with a woman whose life you just saved, not that you can admit it given what else you had done. He paces up and down the yard, eyes looking beyond the off white fence and wilting flowers. The ethereal trail is old, the marks of darkness faded, it had not been around here since, not that the fact stops Harry from trying to persuade Agent Greene to move, but he does not have any arguments you did not and she's not budging an inch.

Part of you wonders if you could draw the Naagloshii to you, the fire on your sword burned hot enough to cripple even deathless things and if that did not kill it well... you doubt it could do much more harm if it were buried in a hundred pieces under five feet of concrete. Wisely you do not bring up the fact to Harry on the way back, instead explaining your meeting with Leinth and Isabela and how you had resolved it.

"I still have the files if you want them, just deleting stuff off a computer possessed by one of Clippy's friends does not actually get rid of it beyond recall. Do you want it?"

He looks at you funny. "What for?"

To be honest you must be returning a look of equal incomprehension. "Leverage? A bargaining chip with enemies the White Cout or the Raiths in particular? The prestige of being the one who break the story on a scandal this size? Though I guess we could keep it to use against Madrigal Raith in the context of the White Court given that he is mixed up with this whole Thule Society Naagloshii thing."

Harry just shakes his head and mutters something about swimming with the sharks.

Well duh, that is why you make a shark-tooth knife to defend yourself.

***​

11th of September 2006 A.D.

Over the next three days you stick close to Harry in case he makes any breakthroughs on the case, making quick progress on understanding the foundations of alchemy from Bob in particular the way the subsets of the broader Law of Sympathy relate to the transformative power of water, as both creative and destructive force. There is a reason why potions and elixirs figure so prominently in alchemical works.

Essence and Temporary Willpower Restored to full -> 12/12 and 9/9

"Wait a second if we are talking about he creative/destructive cycle in the context of the Sign of the Lotus Flower as being foudnational doesn't that mean that all potions are in a sense alive, short lived constructs made for purpose, invested with magic as living things are invested with souls?"

"That is one way to look at it..." Bob sounds excited and worried at the same time, scarecited if you will.

Alchemy Progress: 15+24/25 -> -1 XP to cost of Alchemy Path; Can buy Alchemy path; 14/25 Progress to next level of discount

Meanwhile your first dive into authorship is also going great, arcane fundamentals flowing seamlessly into matters of Akuma culture, soul-lore and even the ancient corrupted tests that give rise to the Jade Court. It occurs to you that anyone who actually read this book wold have a far easier time navigating the hurdles and slipping through the grasp of the Yama Kings to rise again in fel unlife, perhaps easy enough that they would have some control of of their po soul from the first night.

Big Book of Yomi Wan Progress: 9+14/20 = 21/23 -> Complete

2 Essence Lost -> Now at 10/12 (Excellencies)


"Here you go Harry," you set the book in front of him on the coffee table with a satisfying thump. "This thing should be really useful to anyone who has dealings with the Yama Kings, you should be able to trade it for something nice. You are going to trade it aren't you?"

He starts, thumping his knee against the table.

"What? Did Lasciel say something?" you guess.

You can tell he'd like to brush it off and that he knows he won't manage it. "She said exactly the same thing you did, in sync."

You think about that for a moment, shrug. "If even the devil can quote scripture it follows that even he can give good advice when he's trying to get you to let your guard down. If evil people only ever told you things that would hurt you, they would be a lot easier to guard against."

What do you do next?

[] Ask more questions from the list
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[] Move on to another action
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: I actually rolled the alchemy first on this one, then I realized there would be some social rolls needed to close things off with Greene and then I rolled the nightmare rolls for the nights between. Good thing you did not fail any of those or I would have had to do a major rewrite.
 
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Hmm, maybe Dresden can do something about that.

Slowing down someone, be it with gravity, pressure or straight up forcefields is definitly in the range of what a mage with good skill in Forces can do.

Now unlike Mages the Dresden-Wizards actually have to work out and learn their spells, but since Dresden does regularly encounter superhumanly fast opponents it wouldn't be too far out there to think that he has an idea of what to do when they try to get away, rather than charge at him as usual.

Edit: Of course a Naagloshii can counterspell him, but that's an action he can't use to flee or attack.
I wouldnt expect it to work.

Turn Coat!Dresden, with the benefit of soulfire and having used a sanctum invocation to turn Demonreach into home ground, couldnt pull that off on his own prepared battlefield. Listens To Wind didnt even try.
This Dresden is significantly less powerful, and less experienced than the one that barely survived Shagnasty in canon.

If Molly had the 2-dot charm When the Tigers Call, she could prevent the naagloshii from retreating from the battlefield.
But she cant actually force it to fight, or to enter her range; even if she popped shintai, something able to assume the physical stats of the fastest bird in modern history is going to kite her easily.

She has no spells ancient or modern, and no ranged attacks, magical or tech.
She could kludge up a smartgun with Craft, activate All Things Betray for the Perception buff and use Green Sun Nimbus Flare to deal Agg, but she has no dots in Firearms, so unless the QM allows her to target with Athletics, she'd be rolling pure Dex.

And she'd be burning Essence for each use of GSNF.

If we had to, I'd make do with a modded AR15 and AP ammo.
But I really dont want to fight a naagloshii with maybe six hours warning. Not at Molly's current power level.
Best we could hope for is to drive it off with Agg damage from a rifle to go heal; a kill is very unlikely.
 
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It occurs to you that anyone who actually read this book wold have a far easier time navigating the hurdles and slipping through the grasp of the Yama Kings to rise again in fel unlife, perhaps easy enough that they would have some control of of their po soul from the first night.
That is certainly something some Wan-Kuei would kill for. Or pay.

The chance to give a favored mortal or Dhampyr an education that makes it much more likely for them to rise as a Wan Kuei themselves, possibly even sapient enough to continue serving instantly, rather than after a long Shi-Mei phase, is massivly valuable.
 
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If Molly had the 2-dot charm When the Tigers Call, she could prevent the naagloshii from retreating from the battlefield.
Do you mean When the Tigers Broke Free? Even if she could somehow force an engagement (which, as you point out, she can't), I'm still not sure how willing she'd be to break every road into a one-mile circle of Chicago.
 
Do you mean When the Tigers Broke Free? Even if she could somehow force an engagement (which, as you point out, she can't), I'm still not sure how willing she'd be to break every road into a one-mile circle of Chicago.
Yeah that one.

And yes, thats the issue. Naagloshii are reputedly unscrupulous about employing hostages and human shields, so locking off a 1 mile radius chunk of Chicago still involves a major tussle with a civilian population in the line of fire, with an antagonist who will gladly throw them into our path.

And I dont see Michael Carpenter's daughter doing that.
Maybe if we pick the right Signature charms, or the fight is in an abandoned town.
 
[X] Move on to another action
-[X] Qiao training


We can use the opportunity to ask Divsimar how he goes on about dealing with physically and magically superior Shen if the need arises.
We haven't been in that situation yet, being a carrier of Infernal Glory, but there's always a first time.
 
If Molly had the 2-dot charm When the Tigers Call, she could prevent the naagloshii from retreating from the battlefield.
But she cant actually force it to fight, or to enter her range; even if she popped shintai, something able to assume the physical stats of the fastest bird in modern history is going to kite her easily.
RVD + PoRA to get one of the 6 lost nukes, preferable the megaton one. When the Tigers Broke Free to contain the damage. One of the perfect defenses to survive popping the nuke. If we are waiting for the next XP purchase.
she'd be rolling pure Dex.
Pop shintai, that's 8 dice. 10 with WHWH (have Dresden cool the environment, that's well within his capabilities).

@DragonParadox a question. The question in the list was "Who was ultimately responsible for the murder of a police detective murdered here?". Does this mean that naagoshi is acting on its own, or did Molly ask "who carried out the murder?". Because we had a second question in the list "--[] Question: "Who killed the man this tombstone is dedicated to?". Focus: Detective's tombstone". If Molly asked it using the scene of the murder, can we use the tombstone to find who was ultimately responsible?
 
What were the two speed Charms that have been discussed, Windborne Stride and something else, I think?
 
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