OctarineShrike
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Does anyone think discussing the subject with Greene may open ourselves or our minions to legal risk?
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I am absolutely ok with her, why wouldn't I?
Depends on the crime, but yes it can absolve a person from guilt, also, indoctrination in and on itself is impairing their judgment via psychological violence in a way, so your question is... a little not valid.
The human traffickers are the Raith, killing the elder would have done strictly nothing about them except maybe warn them to be wary.
Hmm:
That's talking about law, and you did it before him.
fictionfan
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I doubt it, but even trying would open Greene to much more risk and she almost died once today.
More importantly we are her best chance of tracking down her husband's killer.
1) Yes, and he quoted and replied to my other post, but alright, it seems I misinterpreted his post. Nevertheless, the law is not at fault here, the application of it is always the root of evil.
2) I cannot do anything about your personal feelings, but it seems to me that you really have a very broad interpretation of psychological violence that can impair will at the moment, especially, if she planned her actions for some time, it seems.
While Isabela here was anticipating the moment and she hoped for a 'good' Reaping, the fact of it being necessary in the culture she was raised in was not planned. Keep in mind these are despair vampires, not lust vampires so you can't really do the Innari thing with them, people do not as a matter of course hang around others in paroxysms of despair unlike lust. So their elders teach them that this is a natural part if growing up, in this case being Awakened to their full potential.
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The thing with indoctrination is that it permeates every single part of the life of the one under it, every single one of their actions has to take it into account because you can't remove its influence as long as the person is indoctrinated, and this girl still is indoctrinated.
She can easily count as having grown up in a cult, which means her frame of reference not being normal is absolutely expected, and judging her without remembering that is not a good thing.
I wouldn't consider a person who killed others because they were told it was the only way they could live guilty of murder in the same way as someone who killed knowing full well about society, and would fight for helping the indoctrinated person.
Goldfish
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@Cavalar, I'm not sure why you're so salty that we extended the absolute minimum amount of effort necessary to prevent a nascent Whampire from becoming a monster? We would literally go through more trouble walking outside to check the mail than it took for us to bring Isabella under the MIS umbrella.
So what if she's got some skewed values? She's far from an irredeemable monster.
So what if she's got some skewed values? She's far from an irredeemable monster.
The problem is that this kind of cult requires complete isolation from other sources of information, I'm not really sure that it is the case here. Also, does she need to kill people to exist IC? I'm not so sure. Before the first feeding the whampires do not have the physical need to feed on people like rampires or ghouls.
White Court Virgins (yes that is what they are canonically called) are indeed not required to feed, but they also grow up surrounded by immortals knowing that if they do not kill they will not only be effectively powerless but also live a 'mere' human span. Does this entirely excuse their behavior? No of course not, but arguably they are still not as bad as the likes of Marcone, who decide to kill as adults because they want money and power.
*Look at scientologist, among others*
No?
It requires the person to be cut from other trusted sources of informations, like family, or friends, all her family is in, and they control all the information she get about her nature, telling her the humans are not trustworthy for that kind of things. That's more than enough.
It doesn't matter whether or not she needs to kill to live if everyone told her that it was the only way she had to live you know, the mechanics are not really important when the information you got was manipulated by all your sources. If her family told her that the only way for her to really live is to kill someone, then she'll think this is the case and won't know that it's not real, who would tell her that? The ignorant kine? Her court's ennemies?
So as I said, they said to her that she wouldn't really be alive if she didn't kill, you don't want to be powerless in that kind of environment, that's just asking to be shanked.
It doesn't completely excuse, but it definitely explains, and change the shape of the rehabilitation.
Alright, it seems that I didn't clearly convey my intention to discuss finer points of our moral choices and, instead, you decided to assess how salty I was about the idea. OK, I think it's not constructive to argue further.
I mean:
That's a pretty agressive first post, don't be surprised if everyone interpreted that as you being salty, it definitely doesn't look like the post of someone who wants to have a calm argument but rather wants to be salty at the decision.
Like, you indirectly insulted all the ones that voted for helping her as your first move, of course people are going to call you salty.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
I wonder what they are going to call her now? Going to need a whole new category. A Molly?
We should come up with a cool name before the community comes up with something stupid.
How about "A creature of darkness".
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You could ask Thomas IC.
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I don't know if the slang is universal, but I know a Molly as a Molotov Cocktail, so that nickname is taken.
Given that it is a rite of passage I think it makes sense for all of them, it just says deeply unpleasant things about the prevailing cultures
I don't really see why you perceive my disagreement with the decision of voters as an insult, but I should moderate my further takes on the issue to avoid making you or Goldfish uncomfortable, I guess.
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Would maggot mana plague let us feed her enough to count as a lifes worth?
Yes, that is basically you turning Essence into whatever someone needs for sustenance, does not matter what they subsist on, Hell will provide.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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They'll call her a vegetarian. 🤓
With a name like Bella and her being a Whampire, the very creatures which probably inspired Twilight in this setting, someone is going to make this joke eventually. Violence might then ensue.
Goldfish
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Uncomfortable? Dude, you couldn't make me uncomfortable if you posted a sex tape with your grandma. I've been on the internet way too long to be bothered by trivial shit.
I was literally asking why you seemed so upset, since you felt the need to inject it into the thread. Not sure if you've read enough of the thread to notice or not, but everyone is pretty laid back around here, even when people very strongly disagree with one another. No need to change that, IMO.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Yes if we provide the grub we can likely empower any whampire to the limits of what their mortal stomachs can handle. I doubt even the heads of the courts feed as well.