Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

By default the assumption of Exalted vs. World of Darkness, which is the source of the exalted side of the crossover, is that everyone and everything who actually remembers the Age of Legends has long since died, or are so far away / in such a deep slumber, as to be effectively dead. Now, depending on how the story develops, at some point this might stop being true for a number of reasons. But it won't be easy to bring anyone from that era to the modern day, and it would be significant. Probably a focus of a story arc at least.
Which is a shame because access to armies of demons inclined to respect and obey you was generally the biggest advantage of being a infernal exalted. Now we mostly have to work with CODs that find themself respecting us instinctively, but are part of their own power structures that are usually antagonistic to us.
 
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Which is a shame because access to armies of demons inclined to respect and obey you was generally the biggest advantage of being a infernal exalted. Now we mostly have to work with CODs that find themself respecting us instinctively, but are part of their own power structures that are usually antagonistic to us.

Pssst, our kingdom can still happen, just saying, yes 36 Xp is a number, but we can reach it, I'm sure of it. :V
 
Which is a shame because access to armies of demons inclined to respect and obey you was generally the biggest advantage of being a infernal exalted.
That's why the hell is a such a critical charm for them. Given how pretty much every ability they have is a nerfed ability or something another exalt does better the implications of the hell are one of the few direct ways to inject a niche for them to excel in.
 
That's why the hell is a such a critical charm for them. Given how pretty much every ability they have is a nerfed ability or something another exalt does better the implications of the hell are one of the few direct ways to inject a niche for them to excel in.

Ability to go Devil Tiger and surpass the Primordials is also something only Infernals can do. But us having no access to Hell, it's unlimited demons/skilled labor pool, and its endless supply of materials is a very big downside. A solar or an abyssal can probably kick our ass
 
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Which is a shame because access to armies of demons inclined to respect and obey you was generally the biggest advantage of being a infernal exalted.
I mean, I still maintain that there's only a matter of time before the shadows of Kakuri will start twisting into the shape of a Dragon, the eerie green glow will be in the passageways of the Demon City, and someone will glimpse a beautiful and ever changing maiden walking upon the moon. There was a reason why time travel and resurrection were very strictly banned in and after the Primordial War. And you can only invoke the names of the makers of Creation so many times before they hear, even from beyond the border of death. If given an infinitesimally small chance to escape oblivion, there is a number of creatures in the Age of Legends that will be able to seize that chance.
Wait, what would we buy with that 36xp?
E3 for 16 XP, and then our kingdom for 20 XP, which is a hell born from our soul, complete with a demonic civilization, and is thematically sorta-kinda maybe in the future the pupae of our worldbody as a nascent primordial.
 
Ability to go Devil Tiger and surpass the Primordials is also something only Infernals can do. But us having no access to Hell, it's unlimited demons and its endless supply of materials is a very big downside. A solar or an abyssal can probably kick our ass
Best not to dwell. Unless a Solar or Abyssal enters the story then we argue heavily for some rebalancing, but until then it doesn't matter if we aren't as OP as some non-existent things.

I mostly wonder if there is a large number of unafflicted CODs that we can co-op? Seems likely about all of them have organizations.
 
Ability to go Devil Tiger and surpass the Primordials is also something only Infernals can do. But us having no access to Hell, it's unlimited demons and its endless supply of materials is a very big downside. A solar or an abyssal can probably kick our ass
All exalts are weaker here, but they are pretty nasty. The charm we're talking about would let us make our own hell, with the potential to be the size of a planet, full of superhuman demons, and advanced magic/tech based on the traits bought with it.

Well we are going to have to get the essence 3 first. So what advantages does essence 3 give us all by itself to justify itself?
Essence pool up to 15 motes, ups our essence spent per turn cap to 3, and increases all the effects of charms that scale from essence. Right now I think that's basically just excellencies for us at the moment.
 
Wait, what would we buy with that 36xp?

Essence 3 and the charm to get our own hell.

Well we are going to have to get the essence 3 first. So what advantages does essence 3 give us all by itself to justify itself?

The 36 XP includes essence 3.

As for it's advantages: One more aspect, ability to use 3 essence in one round, more essence.

But I see others already answered, oh well, the speech's been done now, just to see if people takes the bait.
 
[X] Offer to wipe off the evidence of Raith crimes off all of Agent Green's devices
-[X] You will see what crimes Sarah Greene has discovered and, if needed, mettle out justice yourself
-[X] Introduce yourself to your new minion; if her elder attacks on hearing your name, it wouldn't have worked anyway
--[X] If combat starts activate Melee Excellency and Viridian Legend Exoskeleton (both reflexive, 2 Essence cost)
-[X] STUNT: "I see. I understand your worries. There is, however, a piece of critical information you are missing. I am, and will always be, Molly Carpenter, daughter of MIchael Carpenter" you say, bracing for a sudden attack, your hand resting against your chest, ready to draw Usum forth, power of your soul ready to explode out of your body. "If there are crimes against children and innocent Sarah has discovered, I will see them, and mettle the justice out myself, as befits my father's daughter. I will then talk to Sarah, for there is much she, and you, don't know about what killed her husband and on whose orders. I believe this will satisfy everyone here - the wicked get punished, the innocent get protected, and the masquerade stands for now"


Something like this. A compromise. He's not a Raith, so them actually suffering for their crimes shouldn't bother him that much. In fact, it even benefits him, probably, unless he was personally involved in them. We might involve Murphy in shutting down whatever the operation is.

If anyone knows how to introduce ourselves without giving away parts of our true name, please tell me. That's the worst part of the stunt for me.
We really, really, shouldn't share this information with them. They don't need to know that, and at least one has reason to cover stuff up. We don't want them to know we're coming.

It also breaks the illusion that's keeping the situation under control. He thinks we're a peer or greater opponent, which we are, but if he runs face first into that bit of confusion he might do something regrettable.

The best bet in my eyes is to basically destroy the evidence in a way that legitimately makes it impossible to retrieve by most measures, then use the crown to get it back after they're gone.

Then we go hunting, probably with Micheal in tow.

Killing the guy in front of his kid is begging for a grudge, but going after the court's "assets" is just business.
 
Is there any way to transfer information that we acquire through the Crown to Clippy?
Alternatively, we could just ask where we can find other copies.

The best bet in my eyes is to basically destroy the evidence in a way that legitimately makes it impossible to retrieve by most measures, then use the crown to get it back after they're gone.

All of my yes to this. Crown plus cyberdevils makes us really fucking good at info-gathering.
 
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It occurs to me that a big problem with this interaction is that they have no idea what our motivation is. We need to give them something to hang their hat on at least.

"I am also investigating Green's murder. I have reason to believe that it was done by an enemy of mine and this is the best lead I have had on them for a long time."

It's even all true. Also it gives us motivations that they can work with.
 
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We really, really, shouldn't share this information with them. They don't need to know that, and at least one has reason to cover stuff up. We don't want them to know we're coming.

It also breaks the illusion that's keeping the situation under control. He thinks we're a peer or greater opponent, which we are, but if he runs face first into that bit of confusion he might do something regrettable.

The best bet in my eyes is to basically destroy the evidence in a way that legitimately makes it impossible to retrieve by most measures, then use the crown to get it back after they're gone.

Then we go hunting, probably with Micheal in tow.

Killing the guy in front of his kid is begging for a grudge, but going after the court's "assets" is just business.
Which is why I changed my vote to
[] Use the Crown on Sarah to learn what sort of information she uncovered

Get context, then decide. It's an instant action basically.
 
Which is why I changed my vote to
[] Use the Crown on Sarah to learn what sort of information she uncovered

Get context, then decide. It's an instant action basically.
Missed that, my bad.

That said, regardless of what we get from her we should share as little as possible with them about anything. Strategically we want to make them work for every scrap of information, and tactically this situation is still delicate. Being seen as an elder jade is significantly better than being a confusing pseudo-mortal.
 
That said, regardless of what we get from her we should share as little as possible with them about anything. Strategically we want to make them work for every scrap of information, and tactically this situation is still delicate. Being seen as an elder jade is significantly better than being a confusing pseudo-mortal.

We have to take long term into account at the same time though, and keeping this lie alive is not really feasible, we want to get info now as much as possible, but we'll have to either kill them or reveal who we are sooner or later.
 
Missed that, my bad.

That said, regardless of what we get from her we should share as little as possible with them about anything. Strategically we want to make them work for every scrap of information, and tactically this situation is still delicate. Being seen as an elder jade is significantly better than being a confusing pseudo-mortal.
No problem. And I probably agree that we shouldn't disclose our identity right now. Not unless we are about to fight / force a confrontation. Long term it's probably inevitable, though - the girl did bend the knee to us.
 
I can't see a reason not to use our Crown for some information gathering before going forward.

[X] Yog
 
OK, lets give you guys that information.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 22, 2023 at 4:15 PM, finished with 103 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Use the Crown on Sarah to learn what sort of information she uncovered
    [X] Kill the old Vampire
    -[X] Activate Melee Excellency and Viridian Legend Exoskeleton (both reflexive, 2 Essence cost)
    -[X] (Stunt) There is nothing left to say. They want to protect not the masquerade in general, but the crimes of their kind in particular and you have no reason to aquiescence to that. As you call on the armor of ruin around you bright light spills from your soul, starkly showing the girl's shocked expression and the Elder's lighting-fast attempt to draw his gun. Your sword is in your hand as you jump forward in a thrust hopefully strong enough to break through a true Elders hardened body.
    [X] Offer to wipe off the evidence of Raith crimes off all of Agent Green's devices
    -[x]... and keep a copy (Roll opposed Charisma+Subterfuge vs the Elder's Auspex ???)
    [X] Offer to wipe off the evidence of Raith crimes off all of Agent Green's devices
    -[x] Sincerely
    [X] Let the two vampires go, odds are they will try again, but maybe Agent Greene will get the evidence to Dedalus before she is killed
    -[X] Once they are gone return to speak to Agent Greene
    -[X] Have your cyberdemons acquire all of Agent Greene's evidence. Apply new ones to her devices if necessary.
    -[X] Leak evidence to Murphy
    -[X][Stunt] Alas, I still have questions for her. Try again another day.
 
It didn't occur to me till just now, but I'm of concerned about using the crown in front of someone with super senses, since we were warned not to do it in front of Mab. If he appears to notice anything substantive all bets are off and we should kill them both.

I don't want to, especially because one of them is an innocent, but the god damned Skavis are not people we want the crown leaking to.
 
It didn't occur to me till just now, but I'm of concerned about using the crown in front of someone with super senses, since we were warned not to do it in front of Mab. If he appears to notice anything substantive all bets are off and we should kill them both.

I don't want to, especially because one of them is an innocent, but the god damned Skavis are not people we want the crown leaking to.
We used it in front of Gard. And it should be relatively easy to lie with "it's telepathy, I am plundering her mind for information". Using Sarah herself as a focus kinda helps here. The "we can look into a mortal's mind in direct line of sight" is much easier to swallow than "intellectus".

I admit, I didn't think it was much of a concern.
 
We used it in front of Gard. And it should be relatively easy to lie with "it's telepathy, I am plundering her mind for information". Using Sarah herself as a focus kinda helps here. The "we can look into a mortal's mind in direct line of sight" is much easier to swallow than "intellectus".

I admit, I didn't think it was much of a concern.
I'm not worried about being asked questions, and if we do get asked we should tell them to mind their business. Powerful supernaturals don't explain their abilities unless they have to; giving an explanation freely could easily be coded as a suspicious deflection. Better to leave people to make conclusions themselves in most cases.

My real concern is him directly seeing something telling with his supernatural senses. If he can see a charm/exalted native ability in action and recognize that it isn't telepathy or something then he knows critical information that we can't allow to make it out.

Gard is good, but she wasn't exactly set up to calmly watch us work and senses aren't exactly a huge part of her power. I wouldn't assume his specializations are the same.
 
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