Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

If I understand the system correctly, then even one three dot skill anywhere would be a surprise for vanilla high schoolers, and they probably don't have something like that in combat or social stuff.
Given that one dot academics is supposed to represent a highschool education and that these kids aren't even out of highschool yet it seems a safe assumption that the vaste majority don't even have 2 dots in anything and that most of them don't even have 1 dot in most things.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Jan 14, 2023 at 8:14 PM, finished with 88 posts and 29 votes.

  • [x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
    -[X] Empathy excellency not to frighten them
    -[X] STUNT: For a moment, you hesitate - aa desire to laugh it off, to lead them away from the truth with skill beyond their mortal ken swelling up to you. Then you remember your own advice to Maria. It seems it's time to prove you are not a hypocrite: "You are surprisingly much closer to the truth than you realize. Ok, this will need to be show-and-tell. After classes, we'll have to find a quiet unocuppied classroom, and I'll totally shatter your mind. Hopefully, not literally."
    [X] Deflect, tell them nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that could put them in danger
    [X] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than one at all
    [X] Dress up some of the truth in more mundane guise, talk about Lydia, the Order, taming lessons from Harry
    [X] Write-in: "Worse, parental supervision. Mom got my money's locked down tight so I'm trying something unique for my teenage rebellion. I'm going to start a business."
 
Ebon Scales is explicitly light enough and thin enough to be worn under normal clothes as an undergarment.
Absorbent material to hold water is going to absolutely change that. Never mind the weight of the water/liquid itself.
Plus it needs to not leak onto her clothes or just evaporate into thin air.

That requires magic.
Maybe a new bit of armor entirely then, but remember that it doesn't need to be water just a liquid. Oil of some kind would work just fine, leaving Molly to make something low profile and water tight, then dress so that the under layer isn't obvious.

She doesn't need a bathtub, she need a water bottle's worth of something that won't evaporate stored in such a way that she is in contact with it without being obvious about it.

They are however the most vulnerable, and thus the lowest hanging fruit for a random miscreant.
The point is to raise the nuisance level of targeting them, so that randos will go after easier prey, and targeted hitters get tripped up lomg enough for Molly or an ally to intervene.
Except that this doesn't raise the bar to a noteworthy degree. As you yourself pointed out, many of the creatures that'd go after them can be difficult to detect until they've decided to strike.

The remainder are still mostly still easily capable of overwhelming them unless they get really lucky. The difference here is that if the enemy is stupid Molly might get a panicked phone call. Unless we want to bug their phones, which I doubt they'd be super happy about.

There's also the issue of using almost anyone else from her school life like this. Sure only these two are her friends, but most people have a difficult time ignoring it when people they know personally are in serious trouble. They don't always do anything, but targeting people in their monkey sphere gets more of a reaction.

Someone playing a game like this comfortable with a little gambling could just kidnap Molly's math teacher instead, and while she wouldn't be as personally upset they'd still be useable as leverage.
-No it doesnt. Most supernatural attackers are predators picking off vulnerable prey.
They dont hunt targets that are aware and wary. Thats how lions get their heads kicked off by giraffes

You're glossing over the fact that Molly's friends are otherwise so uninteresting to the supernatural outside of their connection to Molly that they're almost certainly not going to be threatened by anything but the targeted stuff. Which they have just about zero percent chance of actually stopping or even seriously resisting against.

You're trying to protect paraplegics by giving them knives.

Murphy's father ran SI with no powers. Charity has no powers any longer. Father Forthill never has. Hendricks and Marcone are both vanilla mortals. Karrin Murphy has no powers, and has lived with knowledge of the supernatural for more than a decade now; she ran into a troll back when she was a patrol officer, which wws when she first met Dresden.
Murphy, her father, and Charity put decades into getting good at things that made them effective at fighting the supernatural. Even those of them that didn't learn till later in life were still developing cross compatible stuff.

You don't have to be a wizard to matter, but skill at WoW and completing math homework on time won't save you from a white court mook, a couple of ghouls, or a Malk.

Note that my initial proposal was not "leave them out to dry" it was get them range time and some self defense training then swing around to this when we have an actual cheat to make a couple of people who's highest relevant skill is probably one dot if that less hopelessly screwed when anything at all looks at them funny.

Seriously, what do you think there stat blocks look like? When I think back to high school and imagine dropping the people from my graduating class into something analogous to this I have difficulty believing 90% or more of them wouldn't immediately fuck up and die.

Given that one dot academics is supposed to represent a highschool education and that these kids aren't even out of highschool yet it seems a safe assumption that the vaste majority don't even have 2 dots in anything and that most of them don't even have 1 dot in most things.
That makes sense. I was trying to account for outliers, but that's probably unnecessary in this case.
 
Oil of some kind would work just fine, leaving Molly to make something low profile and water tight, then dress so that the under layer isn't obvious.

She doesn't need a bathtub, she need a water bottle's worth of something that won't evaporate stored in such a way that she is in contact with it without being obvious about it.
I keep trying to push for getting some body oil, but the idea doesn't seem to get any traction.
 
I was just listening to an exalted Podcast about Infernals by the creators. A very interesting thing came up. Infernal exaltations are corrupted Solar exaltations and that doesn't stop them from having a Lunar mate.

Just in case DP ever wants a plot hook.
 
I was just listening to an exalted Podcast about Infernals by the creators.
Bit complicated actually. They are the people behind Infernals in Essence who put in even less work for Infernals than Holden did in ExWoD.

It caused the predictable backlash and they have "promised" to re-do infernals before releasing essence.

That said, Lunar mates were a thing in 2E too for Infernals, so it is nothing new.
 
Bit complicated actually. They are the people behind Infernals in Essence who put in even less work for Infernals than Holden did in ExWoD.

It caused the predictable backlash and they have "promised" to re-do infernals before releasing essence.

That said, Lunar mates were a thing in 2E too for Infernals, so it is nothing new.
Just saying that if our pocket demon that justifies our Occult 5 happens to remember that bit of lore freeing that Lunar exaltation would be fairly cool no matter where it ends up. A Lunar could be a fairly powerful ally especially now that we have the new XP distribution method.
 
Votes as they stand.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jan 15, 2023 at 12:20 AM, finished with 95 posts and 29 votes.

  • [x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
    -[X] Empathy excellency not to frighten them
    -[X] STUNT: For a moment, you hesitate - aa desire to laugh it off, to lead them away from the truth with skill beyond their mortal ken swelling up to you. Then you remember your own advice to Maria. It seems it's time to prove you are not a hypocrite: "You are surprisingly much closer to the truth than you realize. Ok, this will need to be show-and-tell. After classes, we'll have to find a quiet unocuppied classroom, and I'll totally shatter your mind. Hopefully, not literally."
    [X] Deflect, tell them nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that could put them in danger
    [X] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than one at all
    [X] Write-in: "Worse, parental supervision. Mom got my money's locked down tight so I'm trying something unique for my teenage rebellion. I'm going to start a business."
    [X] Dress up some of the truth in more mundane guise, talk about Lydia, the Order, taming lessons from Harry
    [x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
 
[x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
-[X] Empathy excellency not to frighten them
-[X] STUNT: For a moment, you hesitate - aa desire to laugh it off, to lead them away from the truth with skill beyond their mortal ken swelling up to you. Then you remember your own advice to Maria. It seems it's time to prove you are not a hypocrite: "You are surprisingly much closer to the truth than you realize. Ok, this will need to be show-and-tell. After classes, we'll have to find a quiet unocuppied classroom, and I'll totally shatter your mind. Hopefully, not literally."
 
I have some disagreements with your fundamental assumptions but setting those aside to avoid getting circular, this doesn't address one of the bigger points I've been making.

If you're going to bring them in, why do so in a way that'll make them miserable? We could just fly under the radar and come back to this when we have a power up that doesn't suck to hand out with it. Instead of leaving them to stew on helplessness that we can barely do anything about for months.
I... don't think we'd be making them miserable? Not all people are minded to pursue supernatural power immediately after they learn about it. Being forewarned about existence of monsters might make one miserable a bit, but that's what empathy excellency is for, when describing the situation.
Lydia's zombies would still be zombies.
They will have better coding(no berserk mode), and do not require acoustic control.
But they are automatons, not the person or animal resurrected.
Yes, I understand. The follow-up (people will give us shit about it) is... arguable, in my opinion. They might. It would depend, I think, at least partially on the individual we were raising. If I understand correctly, the only reason Dragon's remains, both his hoard and body wasn't raided already, is his Death Curse. I mean, Dragons are sapient, but they aren't souled mortals at all. And the Laws (likely) wouldn't relate to them. Outsiders are sapient. Yet you can (and should) use magic to kill them (and Lydia raising Outsider zombies will have some interesting effects, most likely). Same with, say, fae fetches. Same, possibly, with Dragons.

It might not be the most socially acceptable option, but it definitely won't be persecutable option, and if we were to take this path, Dragon zombie would either be a guardian of Lydia's / ours / our circle's home base located in the Dragon's Nest, and not seen by anyone save the enemies it would be attacking, or a big red FUBAR button labeled "Summon Bigger Fish" for major fighting, when we have to choice but to call it.
Just saying that if our pocket demon that justifies our Occult 5 happens to remember that bit of lore freeing that Lunar exaltation would be fairly cool no matter where it ends up. A Lunar could be a fairly powerful ally especially now that we have the new XP distribution method.
Oh, yes, certainly. There's even a justifiable IC way to start that plot thread - do some divinitations for our "destined one" during some sleepover with other young members of the coven or another. Overdo it with exalted BS. Roll at least 30 successes total. That might give us at least a hint of where the paired exaltation is.
 
Oh, yes, certainly. There's even a justifiable IC way to start that plot thread - do some divinitations for our "destined one" during some sleepover with other young members of the coven or another. Overdo it with exalted BS. Roll at least 30 successes total. That might give us at least a hint of where the paired exaltation is.
It's a shame that the Ordo are all older people. That seems like a really fun version of truth or dare for a sleep over. Then again I suppose some of them likely have kids.
 
It's a shame that the Ordo are all older people. That seems like a really fun version of truth or dare for a sleep over. Then again I suppose some of them likely have kids.
There are younger members too, like Olivia. And I think Maria is not too much older than us (and there's going to be a bachelorette party, won't there?). And there are also Rosie and Lydia, who we should introduce to each other.
 
Even if we the free the paired Lunar exaltation that is likely to be only part of the adventure. There is no telling where that it will end up or who it will go to.

Still whoever gets it they are likely to become an ally of some kind. Lunars get a bunch of cool bonuses to any action helping their mate and nothing says that they can't profit at the same time. In fact they usually find ways to game it as much as we do with CCC.
 
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Lunars get a bunch of cool bonuses to any action helping their mate and nothing says that they can't profit at the same time. In fact they usually find ways to game it as much as we do with CCC.
??? What? I can't find anything about that in the book? Are you sure that that's true in ExWoD? Not something from another edition or fan content?
 
??? What? I can't find anything about that in the book? Are you sure that that's true in ExWoD? Not something from another edition or fan content?
It's not in the download we are linked to. But people mention exalted rules that are not in that all the time. I kind of assumed that PDF is only a little bit of ExWoD. Even it references things not in that book all the time and Lunar Mates were a really big part of the character concept. Although I heard that they plan on distancing from that in 3ed if that ever comes.

Well I say big, but plenty of Lunar and Solars never meet their paired in gameplay. So I can we why they might not mention it if they are trying to cut out everything except the essentials.
 
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I'm pretty sure the Lunar Bond is not really a thing in ExWoD anymore.

And good riddance.

Edit: It was in Exalted e2 at least, but I really think it wasn't particularly well-designed or a good idea for the storytelling, so I'm happy it didn't make it over to ExWoD.
 
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I'm pretty sure the Lunar Bond is not really a thing in ExWoD anymore.

And good riddance.

Edit: It was in Exalted e2 at least, but I really think it wasn't particularly well-designed or a good idea for the storytelling, so I'm happy it didn't make it over to ExWoD.
I mean I can imagine that it wasn't fun to play in a TRPG. I read about a lot of Solar players that didn't like having a hyper competent sidekick/stalker/antagonist helping them out for some reason (these complaints usually seemed to be when the Lunar was another player).

But it seems like it would be really useful in this context.
 
I mean I can imagine that it wasn't fun to play in a TRPG. I read about a lot of Solar players that didn't like having a hyper competent sidekick/stalker/antagonist helping them out for some reason (these complaints usually seemed to be when the Lunar was another player).

But it seems like it would be really useful in this context.
In this context it's no better.

HAving a Lunar with an obsession after us would propably not improve the situation for Molly, nevermind that we don't even know if the other Exaltations exists, or where they are trapped if they do.
And we couldn't pick out the specific one from all the others either way, not until they have all found humans and are messing up the setting.
 
[x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
-[X] Empathy excellency not to frighten them
-[X] STUNT: For a moment, you hesitate - aa desire to laugh it off, to lead them away from the truth with skill beyond their mortal ken swelling up to you. Then you remember your own advice to Maria. It seems it's time to prove you are not a hypocrite: "You are surprisingly much closer to the truth than you realize. Ok, this will need to be show-and-tell. After classes, we'll have to find a quiet unocuppied classroom, and I'll totally shatter your mind. Hopefully, not literally."

Molly: "Be Not Afraid"
 
OK, looks like plan 'reveal magic to the Muggles' is a go.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 15, 2023 at 3:42 AM, finished with 109 posts and 31 votes.

  • [x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
    -[X] Empathy excellency not to frighten them
    -[X] STUNT: For a moment, you hesitate - aa desire to laugh it off, to lead them away from the truth with skill beyond their mortal ken swelling up to you. Then you remember your own advice to Maria. It seems it's time to prove you are not a hypocrite: "You are surprisingly much closer to the truth than you realize. Ok, this will need to be show-and-tell. After classes, we'll have to find a quiet unocuppied classroom, and I'll totally shatter your mind. Hopefully, not literally."
    [X] Deflect, tell them nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that could put them in danger
    [X] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than one at all
    [X] Write-in: "Worse, parental supervision. Mom got my money's locked down tight so I'm trying something unique for my teenage rebellion. I'm going to start a business."
    [X] Dress up some of the truth in more mundane guise, talk about Lydia, the Order, taming lessons from Harry
    [x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
 
OK, looks like plan 'reveal magic to the Muggles' is a go.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 15, 2023 at 3:42 AM, finished with 109 posts and 31 votes.

  • [x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
    -[X] Empathy excellency not to frighten them
    -[X] STUNT: For a moment, you hesitate - aa desire to laugh it off, to lead them away from the truth with skill beyond their mortal ken swelling up to you. Then you remember your own advice to Maria. It seems it's time to prove you are not a hypocrite: "You are surprisingly much closer to the truth than you realize. Ok, this will need to be show-and-tell. After classes, we'll have to find a quiet unocuppied classroom, and I'll totally shatter your mind. Hopefully, not literally."
    [X] Deflect, tell them nothing out of the ordinary, nothing that could put them in danger
    [X] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than one at all
    [X] Write-in: "Worse, parental supervision. Mom got my money's locked down tight so I'm trying something unique for my teenage rebellion. I'm going to start a business."
    [X] Dress up some of the truth in more mundane guise, talk about Lydia, the Order, taming lessons from Harry
    [x] Find a private place and just show Izzy and Alec your Crown, time to pull back the veil. A little knowledge is more dangerous than none at all
I wonder if you are going to roll for SAN loss.
Molly: "Be Not Afraid"
We absolutely have to use this at least once. For peak irony, we should say this to an angel in a situation where it's appropriate.
 
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