Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Nope. Nope. Hell no.
AAAAAaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever seen a LOX canister explode?
Now think about whether we want to be doing that, with faaar larger quantities of the stuff, in our backyard.
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Yeah, should have specified that the container has just enough venting and that we are doing that underground in Jade Dogs territory, but looks like Yog and uju32 have everything in hand as usual.
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Anything that doesn't have CCC is fine.
Anything that doesn't have CCC is fine.
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I love to use it when we are actually legitimatly trapped by an enemy.
I just don't want to create artifical situations to use it.
Why not water ice? Much safer, and has higher heat capacity, meaning it'll last longer. No need for overcomplicated and dangerous setup that would require us to vent the garage afterwards (plus, where would you even get CO2 in such quantities?).
EDIT: CO2 concentration in air is 0.04% (not sure if weight or atomic). Air density is 1.3 kg/m3. Meaning that you'll get roughly 0.52 grams of CO2 from air. Meaning that you'll need to process roughly 2000 cubic meters of air to produce 1 kilogram of CO2. And you need at least roughly (by my back of the napkin estimation) a hundred kilos. meaning that you'll need to process 200 thousand cubic meters of air. That's something that gets noticed.
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Yzarc
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That is part of the Infernal loop though.
Infernals do not get strait charms like Solars. Their charms are designed to have broad applications.
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But most of the ideas I've seen for activating it shouldn't even work.
We can break an electronic padlock so trivially that it barely traps us in any real sense.
It's like holding a rope in your hands and claiming you are tied up.
And on the other hand I obviously don't want to find a solution that involves genuine helplessness.
So I don't see a good, non-cheesy and for me acceptable way to use CCC outside of actually being in a situation caused by real enemies.
My first sight of this Charm was in A Green Sun Illuminates the Void by Earth Scorpion and let me tell you the escape from Londinium was one of the most epic arcs I have seen in any story, fanfic or regular.
Activating it with a padlock instead is devaluing that in my mind.
Only assuming they are on the up and up. Because as she goes deeper, things like magically binding oaths and incentives to spy on (and possibly betray) Dresden (and us) could easily come in.
He almost certainly does, and he really, no joke, needs a PR department. Maybe a comics / cartoon made of his adventures (without revealing too much, of course).
Also, would anyone mind if I added
-[] Based on your research, buy the materials needed (coal, and other reagents) for production
as the third subpoint? That's a legitimate thing we need to do, probably. I thought that it would be handled automatically, and didn't add it initially.
OctarineShrike
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The way I would put it is that Solars get DC reductions based on conditions (on a horse, on a boat, etc) well Infernals get DC reductions based on objectives (escape, protect ect).
Expect for boiling seas mastery.
What I have always found odd is that Infernals don't get any charm that gives DC reductions on actions to break someone else out of prison. Wasn't the whole point in making them that the Yomi wanted the Infernals to eventually find a way to break them out?
Or just broad "when using Ability X, or Ability Z, or when trying to social".
Yozi actually baked in a "break me out of prison" charm into original infernals, but Infernal Monster style is gone, Yozi are gone, and Infernals in general only share vague echoes of the glories past with their past incarnation - while Solars are Solars and Lunars are Lunars, Infernals are almost a completely different splat.
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Of course there's a charm for DC reductions for breaking someone else out of prison! First you buy CCC, then you get locked up in the same place as whoever you're trying to break out, and finally you organize a mass prison break! Easy-Peasy!
Oh, you were looking for something more direct? Well, you can always just use absurd dice-stacking to make sure that you don't need DC reductions... or just blow everything up. And I guess homebrew is an option if you really need it. Assuming you can talk the GM into it.
ExWoD is supposed to be homebrew-friendly, but DP wasn't really feeling confident about jumping into new system and then allowing custom content from get-go.
Which is a shame, because again, E2 had like, a bunch of books. Core for everyone, individual splatbooks, Glories for every splat, and a bunch of charms sprinkled through various supplementary materials. ExWoD default charmsets really only cover the bare basics.
IIRC he said he'll prolly allow it later, and so we wait. And jump through hoops.
Which is a shame, because again, E2 had like, a bunch of books. Core for everyone, individual splatbooks, Glories for every splat, and a bunch of charms sprinkled through various supplementary materials. ExWoD default charmsets really only cover the bare basics.
IIRC he said he'll prolly allow it later, and so we wait. And jump through hoops.
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Honestly, the point of my post was mostly in the first couple lines for the joke. The rest was more tacked-on. I'm willing to wait on homebrew.
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I can understand his thinking. Balancing and managing homebrew requires mental energy which can generally be use on updates. Also it isn't like we are currently terribly lacking in things to spend XP on. Still haven't gotten all the high value 1 dot charms even in our favored hells.
Also if he waits we might do most of the work for him before it gets to that part.
Although in my reading about Exalted I have gotten the impression that Exalted usually make custom charms in response to their environment. It was the main reason the versus thread on SB thought that the Exalted host would beat the Culture.
So maybe we should make custom charms that are based on Dresden files?
So what are some themes of DF that aren't generally key themes of creation.
*Names: So charms to find out names and to force beings to take on new names given by the Infernal.
"Your name is now butthead". And now he can only introduce himself as butthead he instinctively responses to that name. And all ID will change to reflect the new name. In keeping with the themes of Infernals this charm was made as a curse, but the IDless Ghouls might find it useful.
Freewill: Oddly enough not a theme in creation. If anything the opposite. With how fate seems to work in creation only essance users actually had any free will. So does that mean that willpower can be harvested for essanse?
CCC and similar charms are designed to be gamed like this. They're niche charms designed to make Infernals behave in what externally looks like insane ways in order to benefit from them.
CCC doesn't force you to use the easiest way to break out of confinement deliberately. Any possible route to get out, even one's that would usually be very hard like subverting the guards rather than climbing over the wall are boosted.
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1)Less waste to clean up in the aftermath, much faster and lower temperature drop for Without Honor, and we dont care about CO2 poisoning because we have TLF. Also Rule of Cool; the visuals of evaporating CO2 makes for a much more evocative backdrop than water ice evaporating in a tub.
2) No reason it should be.
We live in the Chicago suburbs. Big house for a 9-person family, including at least 1-2 spare rooms. Large backyard with a treehouse. Standalone garage thats been converted to a workshop.
There's enough space to get up to a fair bit without getting loud enough to alarm the neighbours.
Also, magic.
We could have simply bought dry ice; prices are in the $1/pound range for retail buyers, afterall.
Or just bought some more coal and converted that to CO2.
But it seemed like a waste of money. And for bookkeeping simplicity, my budget was $100.
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So do we have any other major crafting projects to play with on the horizon?
I think Lydia's jacket is good enough armor wise for the moment, but some better brass knuckles might be worth the time.
It'd also be entertaining to show up at Harry's place with one of the defunct 1800-1900 era shotgun or rifle types I've posted in the past.
It's America and the early 2000s, so "I bought it from a friend/the parking lot of a gun show from a guy with no paperwork but who seemed really trustworthy" is legal in a lot of places. Still is too.
As an aside, actually getting a store front for custom gun smithing might be interesting. Regulations would be tricky, but not insurmountable with cyber devil delegation.
It's a small throughput, but wizards have a lot of cash and some variably strict limits on the modern equipment they can use. Really high quality new builds of stuff designed long enough ago for them to use it without fear could earn us some cash, and more importantly favors with various wizards.
I think Lydia's jacket is good enough armor wise for the moment, but some better brass knuckles might be worth the time.
It'd also be entertaining to show up at Harry's place with one of the defunct 1800-1900 era shotgun or rifle types I've posted in the past.
It's America and the early 2000s, so "I bought it from a friend/the parking lot of a gun show from a guy with no paperwork but who seemed really trustworthy" is legal in a lot of places. Still is too.
As an aside, actually getting a store front for custom gun smithing might be interesting. Regulations would be tricky, but not insurmountable with cyber devil delegation.
It's a small throughput, but wizards have a lot of cash and some variably strict limits on the modern equipment they can use. Really high quality new builds of stuff designed long enough ago for them to use it without fear could earn us some cash, and more importantly favors with various wizards.
Well, for me, I have the following list of ideas (no particular order):
1) Remake the Ebon Scales, only better. We have significantly more difficulty adjusters now, and should be able to clear 10+ successes, resulting in better, if not armor itself, than supernatural effects
2) Make Michael new armor / underarmor. Work together with Charity and Lydia, pull out all stops (if we are rolling Dexterity, than doing crafting while in Shintai form is worth +4 dice).
3) Make the CCC abusing wearable device. Even if it's not for everyday use, if we are, say, against Nicodemius in a duel to the death, I'd like to have an option to trigger it
4) Make winter clothes for our family. Because It's environmental protection, which should trigger TLF
5) Make Lydia a weapon that works with Brawl. Brass knuckles? Iron laces combat gloves? Something like that
6) Make armor for the Bane god we made, and for Lydia's new familiar
7) Upgrade our cars with all kinds of spy gadget things, upgrade its armor, engine and such. Ideally make an unfodable animatronic driver so it could drive itself around without attracting attention
8) Bubble boots - wearable boots that generate bubbles underneath themselves. This way we won't be leaving footsteps behind and would be able to achieve flight without using essence thanks to BSM (we can walk on bubbles)
9) Once we get RVD - connecting all our significant locations (our house, Last Station, somewhere close to Dresden's home, Lydia's home and the church we go to at least) via a series of underground tubes filled with liquid so we could essentially quick travel between these locations.
10) wearable neural interface for Mouse's text to speech device, so he can speak without having his front paws occupied. Possibly something similar for Lydia's familiar(s)
11) Better mundane(ish) home security for Carpenters. That's one thing White God doesn't provide - protection against mortals
12) Probably some cool guns for Murphy and Dresden. Also armor for Murphhy. I mean, if Chicago cops are allowed their own equipment, we owe her at least that much. And we could probably make her something that would work against supernaturals.
13) A smart gun for ourselves. One that can be HMPed. We could probably get certified relatively easily.
14) Little Chicago 2.0. I mean, that's both enchantment and Craft, and we can, and should, help Dresden with it. And with RVD, we could easily get soil samples from various areas.
15) If we can, a golem body for Bob.
16) Last Station general upgrades.
Also, speaking of "craft" - when we raid the lair of the Dragon our father killed, we should loot the body. Because a Dragon Zombie / Skeleton in a Dragon's Nest, clad in Infernal armor... Well, I am fairly sure that everything below multiple denarians attacking together will be dissuaded from doing so.