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[X] [ARTEFACT] Lightfang
[X] [TRAITS] Chracian Blood
[X] [TRAITS] Commander of the Ind Campaigns
[X] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams
[X] [TRAITS] Survivor of the Battle of the Holy Flame
[X] [TRAITS] Warrior of the Wailing Fen
[X] [BLOOD] Yes
 
[X] [ARTEFACT] Lightfang
[X] [TRAITS] Hero of the Black Gulf
[X] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[X] [TRAITS] Chracian Blood
[X] [TRAITS] Survivor of the Battle of the Holy Flame
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist:
 
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[X] [ARTEFACT] Lightfang
[X] [BLOOD] Yes
[X] [TRAITS] Chracian Blood
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist
[X] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Anvil
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams
[X] [TRAITS] Survivor of the Battle of the Holy Flame
 
@Blackout
[] Yvresse
Yvresse is a land shrouded in thick mists, where the barriers between reality and unreality grow thin, and daemons walk the earth. Were that not enough, it has also seen devastation at the hands of Norse raiders and Greenskin Waaaghs, giving its people a bitter yet stubborn nature.
-Bonus to Prowess and Martial when fighting Chaos
-Bonus to Prowess and Martial when fighting Greenskins

Does this indicate it will be after Waaagh Grom? Or in your view was it just the most notable and devastating?
 
I'm just gonna go ahead and repost my vote since I made a few changes

[X] [ARTEFACT] Lightfang
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist
[X] [TRAITS] Knight of Tor Gaval
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Mist
[X] [TRAITS] Chracian Blood
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Spear
[X] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[X] [BLOOD] Yes

I switched out Student of the Earth since we already have magic and the consensus we are at most getting a small, elite retinue and Hero of the Black Gulf since it doesn't seem likely to win anyway and there are arguably better choices. In favor I'm instead voting for Chracian Blood since if we're going solo we need to be able to walk the walk and a buff Elven woman is now in my head and I want it and Student of the Spear since we're likely going to be hunting big beasties up North, though I am tempted for Averlornian Ancestry instead and can be swayed.

Speaking of which, I would like to directly implore my fellow questers on changing some of their votes or even adding more for those that haven't filled out all of theirs like the ones bellow.

If we're going to go for a one-Elf army Martial would be our least valuable skill so Commander of the Ind Campaign wouldn't be that useful to us and frankly I just don't see us crafting items that much and I don't know valuable to us they'd be since we'd mostly be relying on high level gear so I'm not too sure on Student of the Anvil. Meanwhile, if we're going to Kislev I say that Student of the Mists is a MUST with it's naturally harsh climate and would be fitting for Fanriel considering her Homeland and I'd say that Student of the Spear would also be nice to have considering the big beasties we're likely to fight up North whether it be Trolls, Mammoths, Skin Wolves or (Rat) Ogres.

And even though I see it as unlikely to win, I'm still holding a torch for Knight of Tor Gaval b/c being an aerial fighter with our own little squadron does sound awesome to me and I'm not willing to give up on that.
 
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Speaking of which, I would like to directly implore my fellow questers on changing some of their votes or even adding more for those that haven't filled out all of theirs like the ones bellow.
There's really no need to bother people about how they vote.

If you want to make an argument for voting for one thing or not voting for another, you do you, but don't start going after people who are just voting in the thread and saying they should vote different.
 
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist
[X] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Anvil
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams

You know, if the Lady of the Lake is indeed Lileath, these four options combined strongly imply we have an affinity with the Bretonnia, especially their Knights, because they are the human followers of the goddess of dreams, Lileath, who is very likely our patron goddess. Even with Student of the Anvil, the artifacts we could equip, sell or gift human Bretonnian Knightly clients we work with, probably exceed anything all but the most powerful crafts the greatest Bretonnian Damsels could ever hope to make.
 
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You know, if the Lady of the Lake is indeed Lileath, these four options probably combine strongly imply we have an affinity with the Britannians, especially their Knights, because they are the human followers of the goddess of dreams, Lileath, who is very likely our patron goddess.
I'd argue Lileath might in some fashion be the patron of Qhaysh (if we're going by Lileath's Blessing giving a bonus to casting High Magic in 8th edition) but Fanriel is a Loremaster of Hoeth.
 
Hoeth will surely be the one we pay the most homage to but given that Student of Dreams is ranked so highly and the Asur are polytheistic I can easily see Lilieath being one of the other deities Fanriel frequently honours along with Hoeth by the way she lives her life.
 
There's really no need to bother people about how they vote.

If you want to make an argument for voting for one thing or not voting for another, you do you, but don't start going after people who are just voting in the thread and saying they should vote different.
Apologies, It wasn't my intention to go after people, more of just trying provide some arguments and voicing my views (perhaps I should have phrased it better). If others have any arguments for Commander of the Ind Campaigns and Student of the Anvil I'm happy to listen.
 
If we're going to go for a one-Elf army Martial would be our least valuable skill so Commander of the Ind Campaign wouldn't be that useful to us and frankly I just don't see us crafting items that much and I don't know valuable to us they'd be since we'd mostly be relying on high level gear so I'm not too sure on Student of the Anvil.
To be fair, martial is still a good stat to have if we plan on sitting around the big boy tables of commanders and martial advisors of any force of arms. We might not be able to directly command them (unless we're placed as commander of other troops) but higher martial means we can contribute more than just being a battering ram against Chaos.

Also agreed with the Student of Anvil not being so important. We aren't making Lightfang-levels of gear anytime soon and to get to that level of skill means sacrificing other avenues of growth, personal or maybe even troop-wise. Better to specialize in magic, killing, commanding, and learning and get high-tier gear from specialized people, like Smiths of Vaul and the like.
 
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Apologies, It wasn't my intention to go after people, more of just trying provide some arguments and voicing my views (perhaps I should have phrased it better). If others have any arguments for Commander of the Ind Campaigns and Student of the Anvil I'm happy to listen.
With you quoting people at the bottom in your post, you're pinging them and going 'I think you should change how you vote'.

Maybe they only care about those traits they voted for. There's no requirement to vote for 6 traits just because you vote for BoA. You could vote for 1 trait, or none at all.
 
[x] [ARTEFACT] Pinion of the Gleaming Phoenix
[X] [BLOOD] Yes
[X] [TRAITS] Warrior of the Wailing Fen
[X] [TRAITS] Survivor of the Battle of the Holy Flame
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Anvil
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams
[X][TRAITS] Knight of Tor Gaval
[X] [TRAITS] Avelornian Ancestry
 
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[X] [ARTEFACT] Fireclaw of Vaul
[X] [BLOOD] Yes
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Anvil
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist
[X] [TRAITS] Hero of the Black Gulf

My argument is simple: I want to make more Fireclaws and start the magitek gun revolution. Having the Blood of Aenarion and the Student of the Anvil traits seem pretty critical to that.
 
get high-tier gear from specialized people.

Geniune question: who do you imagine that might be? The Dawi won't make anything for a perfidious Elgi and whilst I absolutely agree we're not going to be making a Golden Age level artefact anytime soon... are the Colleges of Magic and the equivalents really going to be able to beat what we could make?

Edit: leaving aside us negotiating to be paid in magical artefacts if the patron simply owns them of course. That seems like an extremely niche circumstance since no one would want to give something like that up.
 
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To be fair, martial is still a good stat to have if we plan on sitting around the big boy tables of commanders and martial advisors of any force of arms. We might not be able to directly command them (unless we're placed as commander of other troops) but higher martial means we can contribute more than just being a battering ram against Chaos.

Also agreed with the Student of Anvil not being so important. We aren't making Lightfang-levels of gear anytime soon and to get to that level of skill means sacrificing other avenues of growth, personal or maybe even troop-wise. Better to specialize in magic, killing, commanding, and learning and get high-tier gear from specialized people, like Smiths of Vaul and the like.
There is too much responsibility and limitations that come from specializing in commanding, much more freedom without. And I think you underestimate the difficulty of getting gear equivalent to Lightfang period to think we can just get it from others.
 
This is what I like to call the hyperfocused middle finger to Chaos. Is it optimised? Probably not. Do I think it would be fun? Yeah maybe.

[X] [ARTEFACT] Lightfang
Because screw Chaos

[X] [BLOOD] Yes

[X] [TRAITS] Survivor of the Battle of the Holy Flame
To reiterate, screw Chaos

[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams
All together now, screw Chaos

[X] [TRAITS] Veteran of Grootscher Marsh
Because screw the servants of Chaos

[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Spear
Because screw the monsters of Chaos

[X] [TRAITS] Chracian Blood
Because screw the things of Chaos with a sword really, really hard

[X] [TRAITS] Knight of Tor Gaval
Because screw the things of Chaos from the sky on a horse
 
[X] [ARTEFACT] Lightfang
[X] [BLOOD] Yes
[X] [TRAITS] Survivor of the Battle of the Holy Flame:
[X] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[x] [TRAITS] Avelornian Ancestry
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams
[x] [TRAITS] Hero of the Black Gulf
[x] [TRAITS] Commander of the Ind Campaigns
 
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams]

FYI, you have an extra ] in this vote, so the tally will be confused. Thanks!

This is what I like to call the hyperfocused middle finger to Chaos. Is it optimised? Probably not. Do I think it would be fun? Yeah maybe.

You know, if plan voting was enabled, I would actually vote for it, and I think it has a good chance of winning on sheer meme and RP potential alone. I think a huge part of the thread could be convinced to get behind [] Plan Middle Finger to Chaos.
 
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To be fair, martial is still a good stat to have if we plan on sitting around the big boy tables of commanders and martial advisors of any force of arms. We might not be able to directly command them (unless we're placed as commander) but higher martial means we can contribute more than just being a battering ram against Chaos.

Also agreed with the Student of Anvil not being so important. We aren't making Lightfang-levels of gear anytime soon and to get to that level of skill means sacrificing other avenues of growth, personal or our company. Better to specialize in killing, commanding, and learning and get high-tier gear from specialized people.
Hmm, alright fair enough.

And yeah, we're already spreading ourself thin on being a Loremaster and have a lot of learning to do if we want to be a greater mage, commander AND warrior. Although if it does win, I wouldn't get upset, since as a Loremaster it would be fitting for us to try mastering everything and what's smithing if not another avenue for us to master?
And I think you underestimate the difficulty of getting gear equivalent to Lightfang period to think we can just get it from others.
And I think you overestimate our ability to make artefacts on the level of Lightfang.
[X] [ARTEFACT] Fireclaw of Vaul
[X] [BLOOD] Yes
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Anvil
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist
[X] [TRAITS] Hero of the Black Gulf

My argument is simple: I want to make more Fireclaws and start the magitek gun revolution. Having the Blood of Aenarion and the Student of the Anvil traits seem pretty critical to that.
… Ok, I have decided that in the probable event that Student of the Anvil wins, we try to get a Fireclaw if possible and then work on trying to replicate it and sell it to those would appreciate it more than some snobby elves. Sure the sons and daughters of Ursun would, da?
With you quoting people at the bottom in your post, you're pinging them and going 'I think you should change how you vote'.

Maybe they only care about those traits they voted for. There's no requirement to vote for 6 traits just because you vote for BoA. You could vote for 1 trait, or none at all.
Fair enough, I was more trying to encourage them to fill out the rest of the traits b/c I get a little OCD when I think people aren't using the most out of their vote when it really shouldn't be my problem. Apologies again, won't ping anyone over incessant crap like that in future.
 
Does this indicate it will be after Waaagh Grom? Or in your view was it just the most notable and devastating?
It depends. If you vote for the quest to take place after Grom, then it was about Grom. If you don't, then there were other Greenskin incursions.

Same with Veteran of the Grootscher Marsh, does it refer to the Battle of the Grootscher Marsh when Marienburg bought its independence, or does it just refer to any battles fought to protect Marienburg, of which it could easily be said there were many others?

I'm just gonna go ahead and repost my vote since I made a few changes

[X] [ARTEFACT] Lightfang
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist
[X] [TRAITS] Knight of Tor Gaval
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Mist
[X] [TRAITS] Chracian Blood
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Spear
[X] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[X] [BLOOD] Yes

I switched out Student of the Earth since we already have magic and the consensus we are at most getting a small, elite retinue and Hero of the Black Gulf since it doesn't seem likely to win anyway and there are arguably better choices.

Speaking of which, I would like to directly implore my fellow questers on changing some of their votes or even adding more for those that haven't filled out all of theirs like the ones bellow.

If we're going to go for a one-Elf army Martial would be our least valuable skill so Commander of the Ind Campaign wouldn't be that useful to us and frankly I just don't see us crafting items that much and I don't know valuable to us they'd be since we'd mostly be relying on high level gear so I'm not too sure on Student of the Anvil. Meanwhile, if we're going to Kislev I say that Student of the Mists is a MUST with it's naturally harsh climate and would be fitting for Fanriel considering her Homeland and I'd say that Student of the Spear would also be nice to have considering the big beasties we're likely to fight up North whether it be Trolls, Mammoths, Skin Wolves or (Rat) Ogres.

And even though I see it as unlikely to win, I'm still holding a torch for Knight of Tor Gaval b/c being an aerial fighter with our own little squadron does sound nice.
Please don't tag or quote people to try to convince them to change their vote unless there was a genuine mistake or misconception about a vote. I get that you feel strongly about it but poking at people just for voting in a way that you don't like is rude, if you want to convince people you can make arguments for traits that you like without directing them at anyone specific.

You know, if the Lady of the Lake is indeed Lileath, these four options probably combine strongly imply we have an affinity with the Britannians, especially their Knights, because they are the human followers of the goddess of dreams, Lileath, who is very likely our patron goddess. Even with Student of the Anvil, the artifacts we could equip, sell or gift human Bretonnian Knightly clients we work with, probably exceed anything all but the most powerful of Bretonnian Damsels can make.
Unfortunately, Bretonnians consider mercenaries dishonourable, and even for them it would be pretty hard to pretend an Asur Loremaster is actually just an Armed Shepherd.

I'd argue Lileath might in some fashion be the patron of Qhaysh (if we're going by Lileath's Blessing giving a bonus to casting High Magic in 8th edition) but Fanriel is a Loremaster of Hoeth.
It's kinda weird to be honest, because Qhaysh is principally taught in the White Tower of Hoeth by the Loremasters of Hoeth.

If I was forced to say something on the topic, considering WFRP 4e says elves consider magic in general to be a gift from the gods I would probably say that Lileath is the patron of the act of spellcasting itself, but Hoeth is the patron of studying magic.

Isha is the patron of using magic to help people, Khaine is the patron of using magic to kill people, Mathlann is the patron of using magic at sea, etc.

We aren't making Lightfang-levels of gear anytime soon
Make that "ever".

The elves are really good at making magical items. Like really really good. But making magical items is the dawi's whole thing. You are not matching a Golden Age Dawi Runelord, not even with an elf's lifespan.
 
[x] [TRAITS] Sapherian Tutelage
[x] [TRAITS] Student of the Dreams
[x] [TRAITS] Survivor of the Battle of the Holy Flame:
[x] [TRAITS] Chracian Blood
[X] [TRAITS] Student of the Anvil
[X] [TRAITS] Colonist:
[x] [TRAITS] Avelornian Ancestry
[x] [TRAITS] Commander of the Ind Campaigns
[x] [TRAITS] Warrior of the Wailing Fen
[x] [BLOOD] Yes
[X] [ARTEFACT] Fireclaw of Vaul
[X] [ARTEFACT] Pinion of the Gleaming Phoenix
 
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