Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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1)As demonstrated in this AU, Molly treats her devils as human. She is never going to be willing to expend them as you think.

Furthermore, we already know what a polity that has been optimized to turn out supersoldiers for a forever war looks like.
Its called Winter. With all the aggressiveness and infighting.
We have no interest in running Winter 2.0



2)This is a factually inaccurate claim.

The Leanansidhe was recovered by Changes, and accompanied Dresden to Chitchen Itza. Dresden was shot at the end of Changes. Mab spent the entirety of Ghost Story and the early portion of Cold Days nursing him to health. During that time, Lea was filling in for her onscreen; she trained Molly, she sabotaged the fomor in Bombshells, and she was presumably showing up at the Gates.



3)Also factually inaccurate.

Winter is THE global superpower in the Dresdenverse.
Its NOT a regional thing restricted to North America and Europe.
It is NOT in dispute.

In this AU's backstory, a fraction of her total forces kicked the shit out of Enma-O's forces even when they were armed with an Exaltation they tried to weaponize, and took the Exaltation as a trophy.
And Enma is canonically one of the most powerful Yama Kings in WoD.



4) Feudal kingdom?
I've seen movies and newsreels about World War I. They didn't cover it as thoroughly in my schools, because America didn't have a leading role in it, and because the entire stupid, avoidable mess was a Continental clusterfuck that killed millions and settled nothing but the teams for the next world war. But what they did show me I remembered. Miles and miles of trenches. A smoke-haunted no-man's-land strung with muddy, rusty barbed wire and lined with machine guns and marksmen. There was a pall of smoke that turned the sun into a dully glowing orb.
But the movies couldn't cover all the senses. There was a constant rumble in the sky, thunder born of violence, and there was everywhere the smell of feces and death.
We stood atop a small, barren mountain, looking down. Near us, only a few hundred yards away, was an immense wall, the kind you'd use to hold out the Mongols if they were the size of King Kong. It was built entirely from ice or some kind of translucent crystal. Even from here, I could see that there were chambers and rooms in the wall, rooms containing barracks, hospitals, kitchens, you name it. There were dim and indistinct forms moving around in them.
The walls were lined with what had to be tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of soldiers. I peered, trying to get a better look, and then realized that they were armored Sidhe.
All of them.
They all wore armor similar to mine, its highlights throwing back the cool, muted shades of Winter.

Out beyond the wall was a land made of dust and mud and loose shale. It was covered in hillocks and steep gullies, and the only plants that grew there looked like they were certain to poke, scratch, or sting you. Though the land was somehow lit, the sky was as black as Cat Sith's conscience, without a single star or speck of light to be seen—and it was an overwhelming sky, enormous, like in the open, rolling lands of Montana and Wyoming.
There were more bodies of troops moving out there. Some of them looked like they might have been giants, or maybe trolls. Larger groups containing smaller individuals were likely Winter's gnomes. Things flew in the air. Bands of what appeared to be mounted cavalry rode back and forth. Some of the soldiers looked suspiciously like animated snowmen.
From this vantage point, I could see two major engagements happening, each containing maybe forty thousand Winter troops. And they were fighting. . . .

I couldn't make out the enemy. There didn't seem to be any unity of form. They were creatures—creatures whose physiologies made no sense, were utterly without order. I saw what appeared to be tentacles, enormous mandibles, claws, fangs, clublike limbs and tails. They weren't bipedal. They weren't quadrupeds. In fact, they seemed to have no regard for bilateral symmetry at all.
I peered a little closer and felt a sudden, horrible pressure inside my head. I felt dizzy for a second, nauseated, and at the same time part of me was screaming that I needed to ditch my escort and go look at these things for myself, that there was something there, something I wanted to see, something I wanted to stare at for a while. A cold, somehow greasy tendril of energy slithered around inside my head, something I had felt before when . . .
I jerked my eyes away with a short grunt of effort, closed them, and left them closed. "Holy . . . Outsiders? Mab's fighting Outsiders?"
Mother Summer said nothing.
"I don't . . . I don't understand," I said finally. "White Council intelligence always estimated Mab's troop count at around fifty thousand. There are freaking formations out there with more troops in them than that."
Mother Summer said nothing. But she did lift a finger and point off to the left. I looked, and saw a pair of towers the size of the Chrysler Building rising up over the wall. Between them was a pair of gates.
The gates were something amazing to look at. They were huge, bigger than most Chicago apartment buildings. They were made of a darker shade of the same ice or crystal, and there were designs and sigils carved into them, layer after layer after layer. I recognized a couple of the ones I could see clearly. They were wards, protective enchantments.
There was a sudden sound, a rising moan, like the wind shaking trees or surf striking a cliff wall—and the horizon outside the walls was suddenly lined with dark, grotesque figures, all of them charging forward, toward the Winter troops.
Faint horn calls sounded, clear and valiant. Winter's troops began to retreat back toward the gates, gathering into a great arch on the ground outside them, locking their formation into place while cavalry harassed the oncoming Outsiders, slowing their advance. Then the cavalry streaked from their engagement, passing safely through the lines of infantry to come riding back through the gates.
The Outsiders came on and crashed against the Winter lines. Battle ensued. From this far away, it just looked like a big, confusing mess, with everyone jostling for a better position, but I could see a few things. I saw an ogre go down when an Outsider spit acid that started eating through his eyes into his skull. I saw the Winter lines falter, and the Outsiders began pouring reinforcements into the weakness.

Then a small crew of goblins exploded out of a pile of shale at precisely the right moment, when the Outsiders were pressed almost into the Winter lines, but before reinforcements arrived. The surprise attack drove the Outsiders forward, when I could see that the "weak" regiment had been playing the Outsiders for suckers, falling back, but doing so in good order. The Outsiders had overreached themselves, and were now surrounded on all four sides by the savage troops of Winter.
The would-be invaders didn't make it.
And that was only a tiny fraction of the battle. My senses and mind alike simply could not process everything I was seeing. But my heart was beating very swiftly, and frozen fear had touched my spine like Mab's fingers.
The Outsiders wanted in.
"When?" I asked. "When did this start?"
"Oh, Harry," Mother Summer said gently.
"What?" I asked. But I had noticed something. Those layers and mounds of shale? They weren't shale.
They were bones.
Millions and millions and millions of fucktons of bones.

"What the hell is going on here?" I breathed. "Where are we?"
"The edge of Faerie," she said. "Our outer borders. It would have taken you a decade to learn to travel out this far."
"Oh," I said. "And . . . and it's like this?"
"In essence," Mother Summer said. She stared sadly out over the plain. "Did you think Mab spent all her days sitting in her chair and dealing with her backstabbing courtiers? No, Sir Knight. Power has purpose."
"What happens if they get in?" I asked.
Mother Summer's lips thinned. "Everything stops. Everything."
"Holy crap," I muttered. "Does Summer have a place like this, too, then?"
Mother Summer shook her head. "That was never its task. Your Council's estimate was fairly close, counting only those troops protecting the hearts of Winter and Summer. Mab has more than that. She needs them—for this."
I felt like I'd been hit repeatedly in the head with a rubber hammer. "So . . . Mab's troops outnumber yours by a jillion."
"Indeed."
"So she could run you over at any time."
"She could," Mother Summer said, "if she were willing to forfeit reality."

I scanned the length of the wall nervously. It looked like it went on forever—and there was fighting all along its length.
"You're telling me that this is why Mab has her power? To . . . to protect the borders?"
"To protect all of you from the Outsiders, mortal."
"Then why does Titania have hers?" I asked.
"To protect all of you from Mab."
I swallowed.
"Titania cannot match Mab's forces, but she can drag Mab personally into oblivion with her—and Mab knows it. Titania is the check to her power, the balance."
"If Mab dies . . ." I began.
She swept a hand along the length of the wall. "A spoiled, sadistic, murderous, and inexperienced child will have control of all of that."
Hell's bells. I rubbed at my eyes, and as I did, I connected some dots and realized something else.
Dude, they have been holding the line at the Outer Gates for at least several thousand years.
Even back when they were being backstopped by other pantheons. That demonstrates better logistics than anything any modern army is capable of.

Neither Mab nor Titania has any unwillingness to use modern technology at need.
Mab stockpiled modern weapons in Chicago.
Maeve killed Lily with a gun.

The fact that they are using classic weapons in the NeverNever is because there are parts of the NeverNever where physical laws can be different and firearms or internal combustion will not work.
But if people or fae or spirits can survive in an area, they can swing a melee weapon.

Seriously, your assertions are assuming that all these people are stupid.



5)The last paragraph is mostly false.

1) That's simply untrue. Winter is almost anti-optimised to produce effective soldiers. Infighting, petty cruelty and uncontrolled aggressive may produce better feudal warriors. It doesn't produce good soldiers that can work together in industrial war.

And Molly treats her devils well. That doesn't mean that she's incapable of treating them as soldiers and sending them to war. It's much better to send disciplined war devils to fight the good fight than it is to be reliant on the monsters of the Winter Court, who would also suffer and die, but suffer and die under commanders who cared much less for them. It's the moral choice for Molly to send in her armies to replace them.

2) Apologies, I had the sequence of events wrong, but there's still no evidence Mab is needed at the Gates, and Lea is no Mab, so can clearly Mab or another powerful Mantle isn't required for the gates.

3) It's WoJ that Winter doesn't have that much strength outside Europe and North America:

Oh, no, they'll just rotate interests. Mab has more power in the southern winter, Titania in the southern summer. Though, as fundamentally northern-hemisphere, basically Western European beings, they don't have the kind of absolute reign there that they enjoy in other parts of the world, and their relationships there consist more of strong alliances and consensus influence among a much larger population of Wyld fae.​

And Emma-O doesn't have a large army. He has a mostly uninhabited Wasteland. As long as she could deadlock him personally her minions could run around stealing things.

4) Yes, feudal kingdom. They can raise large armies, they're just shit at doing so. They use medieval weapons because that's their theme in the Nevernever. Nothing in your quote changes that.

And I don't believe they've been in charge of the Outer Gates for thousands of years. I think they've been in charge since the Norse pantheon fell prominence on the eleventh century.

I also don't believe they Man or Titania have the free will required to reform their kingdoms to be more effective war machines. That's not in their nature and they must follow their nature.

Not on a first date, I feel. Probably later. I think we would be better served by stationing a security team nearby later. Maybe buying a simple car, HMPing it, and parking it somewhere close.

That seems pointless. We wouldn't know if they were in trouble without a cyber-devil on the premises.
 
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If we are going to go to the trouble and expense of using TTC then we might as well renovate the whole apartment. The place sounds like it could use it.
We very specifically don't want to. Not until we finish the rituals. Because right now it's a place of desolation. And it should trigger TLF ("protecting others") for -3 DC. If we renovate it, it will stop being one.
 
We did use TTC in front of Gard, and during assault on the Pathfinders at several points where signs of its usage would be seen, and if anyone interrogated the guards, they would be able to tell about us using technological constructs. The genie, as it was, is rather out of the bottle, I think. Not particulars of the charm, but "she can manifest stuff out of her aura" at least.

To clarify, my issue was with doing things that let knowledge of Hollow Mind Possession out to more people.
 
If we are going to go to the trouble and expense of using TTC then we might as well renovate the whole apartment. The place sounds like it could use it.

It's a good point. Depends on the budget we could make the apartment vastly more secure simply by reinforcing the walls, putting security glass on the windows, and upgrading the door and doorframe so it can take a strong five point lock.
A possessed car nearby will be able to see any attackers.

How would they know they were attackers rather than random people going into the apartment building or approaching from the back.

To clarify, my issue was with doing things that let knowledge of Hollow Mind Possession out to more people.

As I say, we can just say it's spirit binding, which is common. They don't need to know the details.
 
It's a good point. Depends on the budget we could make the apartment vastly more secure simply by reinforcing the walls, putting security glass on the windows, and upgrading the door and doorframe so it can take a strong five point lock.
This isn't for this day. This is for later. As are other renvations. Make no mistake, I am for this. helping these people is good. But we are solving a specific issue right now. Let them see that we can help. We'll move on from this later.
How would they know they were attackers rather than random people going into the apartment building or approaching from the back.
A fair point, but I don't think we should push for syberdevils, or even disclose them right now.
 
This isn't for this day. This is for later. As are other renvations. Make no mistake, I am for this. helping these people is good. But we are solving a specific issue right now. Let them see that we can help. We'll move on from this later.

The thing is, the specific issue may be better solved by making the property more physically secure. What's the point in building a trap on the door if they can trivially come in through the window?
 
So this should be a intelligence Occult roll which draws on our Specialty: Kakuri the Night Realm done at -4 DC.

So with exalancy that is 24 dice that each only need to roll 2 for a success. For an average of 19 successes.

Or am I forgetting a bonus somewhere?
 
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As I say, we can just say it's spirit binding, which is common. They don't need to know the details.

They'll see us putting spirits in the systems without a circle or summoning rite.

As for your vote @Yog, Black Rider to fetch Mouse risks outing HMP, I'm under the impression the rituals are mutually exclusive unless I've forgotten something, and setting up Boiling Sea mastery is to my inner paranoid mildly concerning but less so than anything about HMP. Also if we bother Mouse too much we should do a capital F favor for Harry as soon as possible. Like pay him at over his standard rate to research what we found in the museum with us or something.

Edit: I added helping with both rituals back into my vote since I checked and they aren't mutually exclusive

[X] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[X] Occult and Leadership (if appropriate) excellencies
-[X] Upend a bottle of water onto your head to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X] Use tool transcending constructs (ideally limited to handheld ones) to prepare the physical anchors for the wards.
-[X] Call Lydia and check when she's going to arrive. Ask others to wait for her, she could probably aid at least somewhat. Use the spare time to prepare the ritual site.
-[X] Make it clear that, if possible, you'll be helping with both rituals, you are just starting with the curse one.

-[X] STUNT: "... Ok, we'll wait for you to arrive before starting. Thanks, bye!" you close your phone, having finished talking to Lydia. In your hands, still wet from the bottle of water you upended on your head, wood carving tools only remotely reminiscent of the ones your father uses manifest, as, guided by your power, you carve symbols into the door and window frames, disguising them as scratches and hiding them behind the hinges. On the floor you make a ritual circle, all the while taking into account the input from Hellen and others, so it works best with how they do magic.
 
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They'll see us putting spirits in the systems without a circle or summoning rite.
We could always fake that. It might even help by being a stunt. So it would not actually be fake.

[] Stunt: This is entirely unnecessary for you, but if you were summoning cyberdevils without the use of your charm this is how you would go about. You brush off your hands as you look down at your handiwork. A perfect circle made out of the text of the wicked city a old piece of electronic in the middle to sacrifice. Maybe you should add some candles to help with the ambulance? Clippy is helping by playing suitably ominous music.
 
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As for your vote @Yog, Black Rider to fetch Mouse risks outing HMP, I'm under the impression the rituals are mutually exclusive unless I've forgotten something, and setting up Boiling Sea mastery is to my inner paranoid mildly concerning but less so than anything about HMP. Also if we bother Mouse too much we should do a capital F favor for Harry as soon as possible. Like pay him at over his standard rate to research what we found in the museum with us or something.
Ok, fair enough. Let's see, how about this? Just consulting him a bit. He might know stuff instinctually.

[X] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[X] Occult and Leadership (if appropriate) excellencies
-[X] Upend a bottle of water onto your head to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X] Call Mouse to see if he has anything to input concerning wards and threshold empowerment.
-[X] Use tool transcending constructs (ideally limited to handheld ones) to prepare the physical anchors for the wards.
-[X] Call Lydia and check when she's going to arrive. Ask others to wait for her, she could probably aid at least somewhat. Use the spare time to prepare the ritual site.
-[X] Make it clear that, if possible, you'll be helping with both rituals, you are just starting with the curse one.
-[X] STUNT: "... Ok, we'll wait for you to arrive before starting. Thanks, bye!" you close your phone, having finished talking to Lydia. In your hands, still wet from the bottle of water you upended on your head, wood carving tools only remotely reminiscent of the ones your father uses manifest, as, guided by your power, you carve symbols into the door and window frames, disguising them as scratches and hiding them behind the hinges. On the floor you make a ritual circle, all the while taking into account the input from Hellen and others, so it works best with how they do magic.
 
Ok, fair enough. Let's see, how about this? Just consulting him a bit. He might know stuff instinctually.

[X] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[X] Occult and Leadership (if appropriate) excellencies
-[X] Upend a bottle of water onto your head to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X] Call Mouse to see if he has anything to input concerning wards and threshold empowerment.
-[X] Use tool transcending constructs (ideally limited to handheld ones) to prepare the physical anchors for the wards.
-[X] Call Lydia and check when she's going to arrive. Ask others to wait for her, she could probably aid at least somewhat. Use the spare time to prepare the ritual site.
-[X] Make it clear that, if possible, you'll be helping with both rituals, you are just starting with the curse one.
-[X] STUNT: "... Ok, we'll wait for you to arrive before starting. Thanks, bye!" you close your phone, having finished talking to Lydia. In your hands, still wet from the bottle of water you upended on your head, wood carving tools only remotely reminiscent of the ones your father uses manifest, as, guided by your power, you carve symbols into the door and window frames, disguising them as scratches and hiding them behind the hinges. On the floor you make a ritual circle, all the while taking into account the input from Hellen and others, so it works best with how they do magic.

Sure.

[X] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[X] Occult and Leadership (if appropriate) excellencies
-[X] Upend a bottle of water onto your head to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery
-[X] Call Mouse to see if he has anything to input concerning wards and threshold empowerment.
-[X] Use tool transcending constructs (ideally limited to handheld ones) to prepare the physical anchors for the wards.
-[X] Call Lydia and check when she's going to arrive. Ask others to wait for her, she could probably aid at least somewhat. Use the spare time to prepare the ritual site.
-[X] Make it clear that, if possible, you'll be helping with both rituals, you are just starting with the curse one.
-[X] STUNT: "... Ok, we'll wait for you to arrive before starting. Thanks, bye!" you close your phone, having finished talking to Lydia. In your hands, still wet from the bottle of water you upended on your head, wood carving tools only remotely reminiscent of the ones your father uses manifest, as, guided by your power, you carve symbols into the door and window frames, disguising them as scratches and hiding them behind the hinges. On the floor you make a ritual circle, all the while taking into account the input from Hellen and others, so it works best with how they do magic.
 
I have doubts that anyone is good enough at wards to give useful advice over the phone for making a ward over a place that they have never been or seen with people that they have never met. Bob likely couldn't manage it let alone Mouse.

Ok an Exalted might be able to, but it feels like a similar level of success as changing the course of a large organization with a single conversation with a low level member.
 
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I have doubts that anyone is good enough at wards to give useful advice over the phone for making a ward over a place that they have never been or seen with people that they have never met.

Ok an Exalted might be able to, but it feels like a similar level of success as changing the course of a large organization with a single conversation with a low level member.
He is quite literally a demigod of threshold protections. He might well be able to advise us something.
 
He is quite literally a demigod of threshold protections. He might well be able to advise us something.
Scion, not mage. He wouldnt know how to approach this.
More pertinently, Molly has no dots in Warding. She isnt going to start carving symbols into wood; she wouldnt know which is valid.
And as far as I know, wards on a home dont seem to involve any physical inscribing


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[X] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[X]Call Lydia since she's running late, and get an ETA on her arrival
-[X]Occult Excellency
-[X]STUNT: Pursing your lips, you cross the room to take a second look into the corridor outside, then come back into the room, stomping on the floor repeatedly. "Wooden floorboards, here and in the corridor. Wooden doorframe. Wooden doors too." you say to yourself. Ash makes an unladylike grunt of realization, but Pauline and Abby both look visibly confused. "Enough power to give people full body burns through their clothes" you continue, addressing the group "is going to be enough power to set that entire corridor on fire, and trap the intruder AND occupant in a burning building." At their dawning looks of comprehension, you continue. "There's other civilians living here. Children too. Collateral damage." You see Beckitt flinch at the term, and file away that datum for later. "My opinion" you stress the word "is we go with the curse option. More precise. Also less likely to bring the police looking for who set off the bomb."





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1)What I said. If I can give you a painful full body burn through clothes, thats enough heat to set the entire place on fire.
And probably permanently fry your retinas in their sockets. There's civilians here, poor people who have shit hard enough as it is.
Lets avoid throwing that much radiant energy around.

2)WoG is that this place counts as a place of desolation, which means that it qualifies for Transcendent Lord of Flies.

TLF triggers here for -3 DC.
Minimum difficulty is DC 3, and TLF will take a standard difficulty task(DC6) all the way down to minimum difficulty.
Therefore, there is no need for Boiling Sea Mastery, and no reason to demonstrate that ability.
 
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He is quite literally a demigod of threshold protections. He might well be able to advise us something.
Well yes there is basic advice that applies for all thresholds like "Makes sure the house is well loved" or "Don't invite in strangers". But Molly is well beyond the general basics.
2)WoG is that this place counts as a place of desolation, which means that it qualifies for Transcendent Lord of Flies.



TLF triggers here for -3 DC.

Minimum difficulty is DC 3, and TLF will take a standard difficulty task(DC6) all the way down to minimum difficulty.

Therefore, there is no need for Boiling Sea Mastery, and no reason to demonstrate that ability.
No exactly demonstrating it by pouring a bottle of water on ourselves.

Also order of operations could bring the DC down to 2.

Also there is a possibility that there is some extra difficulty somewhere making it so this task is greater then that standard difficulty 6.
 
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Well yes there is basic advice that applies for all thresholds like "Makes sure the house is well loved" or "Don't invite in strangers". But Molly is well beyond the general basics.

No exactly demonstrating it by pouring a bottle of water on ourselves.

Also order of operations could bring the DC down to 2.

Also there is a possibility that there is some extra difficulty somewhere making it so this task is greater then that standard difficulty 6.

If they ask us or deduce "The ritual works better if Molly does this" -> Molly is more dangerous if she upends a water bottle over herself becomes an item of knowledge in potential circulation.
 
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1)What I said. If I can give you a painful full body burn through clothes, thats enough heat to set the entire place on fire.
And probably permanently fry your retinas in their sockets. There's civilians here, poor people who have shit hard enough as it is.
Lets avoid throwing that much radiant energy around.

2)WoG is that this place counts as a place of desolation, which means that it qualifies for Transcendent Lord of Flies.

TLF triggers here for -3 DC.
Minimum difficulty is DC 3, and TLF will take a standard difficulty task(DC6) all the way down to minimum difficulty.
Therefore, there is no need for Boiling Sea Mastery, and no reason to demonstrate that ability.
MInimum difficulty TLF can take it to is 3. How this combines with BSM (which doesn't have the 3 DC limit by rules as written) is up to @DragonParadox . Let's ask - can a combination of TLF and BSM lower the difficulty below 3? If yes, there's a reason not to use it. We aren't keeping it secret, reasonably speaking.
And as far as I know, wards on a home dont seem to involve any physical inscribing
The ritual circle then.
 
If they ask us or deduce "The ritual works better if Molly does this" -> Molly is more dangerous if she upends a water bottle over herself becomes an item of knowledge in potential circulation.
There is a hundred reasons that we might pour a bottle of water on ourselves. Maybe we are ritually purifying ourself. Maybe we got dust in our eyes. Maybe we just like being wet. The idea that we gain power by being wet is the weirder one.
 
No exactly demonstrating it by pouring a bottle of water on ourselves.

Also order of operations could bring the DC down to 2.

Also there is a possibility that there is some extra difficulty somewhere making it so this task is greater then that standard difficulty 6.
-They arent actually stupid people.
If you are pouring water on your head before a magic ritual, you arent doing so for fun.
But because it will help you, specifically.

-Minimum difficulty never drops below DC3 or goes above DC9.
Hard rule.

-Such as what precisely?
This is not being carried out under stress or time pressure.
Standard difficulty is DC6. Apply TLF, and it drops to 3.
MInimum difficulty TLF can take it to is 3. How this combines with BSM (which doesn't have the 3 DC limit by rules as written) is up to @DragonParadox . Let's ask - can a combination of TLF and BSM lower the difficulty below 3? If yes, there's a reason not to use it. We aren't keeping it secret, reasonably speaking.

The ritual circle then.
Hard rule for ExWoD.
DC never goes lower than 3, or higher than 9.

This is another of those opportunities where you are risking carelessly giving away unnecessary information.
 
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MInimum difficulty TLF can take it to is 3. How this combines with BSM (which doesn't have the 3 DC limit by rules as written) is up to @DragonParadox . Let's ask - can a combination of TLF and BSM lower the difficulty below 3? If yes, there's a reason not to use it. We aren't keeping it secret, reasonably speaking.

The ritual circle then.

Stacking charms cannot take the DC below 3, I think that is RaI even if it is not RaW.
 
[X] The curse, you have a feeling your essence would make a hell of a knot of any enemy's fate
-[X]Call Lydia since she's running late, and get an ETA on her arrival
-[X]Occult Excellency
-[X]STUNT: Pursing your lips, you cross the room to take a second look into the corridor outside, then come back into the room, stomping on the floor repeatedly. "Wooden floorboards, here and in the corridor. Wooden doorframe. Wooden doors too." you say to yourself. Ash makes an unladylike grunt of realization, but Pauline and Abby both look visibly confused. "Enough power to give people full body burns through their clothes" you continue, addressing the group "is going to be enough power to set that entire corridor on fire, and trap the intruder AND occupant in a burning building." At their dawning looks of comprehension, you continue. "There's other civilians living here. Children too. Collateral damage." You see Beckitt flinch at the term, and file away that datum for later. "My opinion" you stress the word "is we go with the curse option. More precise. Also less likely to bring the police looking for who set off the bomb."
 
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