Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

learning magic while very cool, is an exp and time sink that doesn't contribute to preparing for Mab. So our XP and time spending priorities should reflect that focus.
Kinda sorta not really. Alchemy 4 (with discount) would allow us to make intelligence and perception improving potions. Fortune 3 would give us difficulty modifiers (and even a -1 difficulty adjustment is strong).
 
Because its not cheating.

Using a natural ability to win a game of chance is not considered cheating.
Just like card counting in a casino is not considered cheating as long as you're doing it without technological or outside help.
The casino could and will bar you if you're too successful, as is their right as a private business, but its neither a crime nor unethical.

It might be immoral if you keep doing it past your need though.
That would almost definitely qualify as greed in Christian/Catholic theology. But now we get into philosophical questions beyond this quest.
This line of argument fails to see crucial distinction between lottery and other more common games of chance. In the casino or underground gambling examples, you are either playing directly against the casino, or against other players who, crucially, agreed that they are all here to try to win to the maximum extent of their natural abilities.

The lotteries specifically prohibits any deviation from the pure chance based on any abilities of the participants, as evidenced by all the lottery regulations ensuring randomness of draws and legal decisions making methods of subverting randomness for positive EV illegal.

Using a natural ability to win against a casino or gamblers who agreed to a game with ability component is not cheating, using a natural ability to rig the lottery is cheating other participants who did not agree to any possibility of any abilities playing role in the lottery outcome. And lottery rigging has no effect on lottery organizers' income at all, you can't even say you are righteously profiting from the thieves.

Why go with the morally and legally dubious lottery rigging unless we absolutely have to? What is this specific pressing need to get 10s or 100s of millions of dollars in one go in the near future? If for whatever reason we would like to get money specifically from gambling, we could play high-stakes blackjack or sweep underground gambling parlors, it would get us millions. Or better yet, don't gamble, just produce and sell valuable goods, we are not lacking in abilities to do so now and certainly won't be in the future.
 
Is that just my impression, or could it be that the White Court vamps are on the average much younger than the Red and Blacks?

I mean, Lord Raith himself is old for sure, but Lara is supposed to be his oldest living child and she seems to be a few centuries at best and we don't know any other seriously old members, most we see appear to be genuinly American even, which is a sign of young age for sure.

The Reds have these ancient monsters in Southern America and their direct minions are still sometimes former aztecs or conquistadors.
And the Blacks have people like Vlad and Mavra as medival members.
 
Kinda sorta not really. Alchemy 4 (with discount) would allow us to make intelligence and perception improving potions. Fortune 3 would give us difficulty modifiers (and even a -1 difficulty adjustment is strong).
Alchemy is not really worth the xp, enchanting can do the same with permanent effects. Enchanting can also make wonders that allow people to become mages.
 
Crafting a specific image? Also, would body building using ttc training machines get x5 time discount? "Your body is machine, improve it" and all that.
I don't think TTC is a charm inclined towards constructing abstract stuff; just because it works out lingually doesn't mean it actually fits the concepts of the ability.


The body improvement stuff would probably only come into play if we went from apply cosmetics to cosmetic surgery if it ever did.

Is that just my impression, or could it be that the White Court vamps are on the average much younger than the Red and Blacks?

I mean, Lord Raith himself is old for sure, but Lara is supposed to be his oldest living child and she seems to be a few centuries at best and we don't know any other seriously old members, most we see appear to be genuinly American even, which is a sign of young age for sure.

The Reds have these ancient monsters in Southern America and their direct minions are still sometimes former aztecs or conquistadors.
And the Blacks have people like Vlad and Mavra as medival members.
I think that's because white vamps technically have a lifespan even if it's absurdly long, while red and black ones are basically ageless.

Their method of predation probably has something to do with it as well. It's worth noting that the old monsters eventually struggle to keep up with the times, and for white vamps that's a weakness.

Even if they're technically as powerful as ever when that starts to happen, giving the appearance of weakness by messing something up with the mortals would encourage their rivals to start picking at them more heavily.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Industrial Revolution set the conditions for a massive sea change in white court internal politics that culminated with Lara's hostile takeover rather than her success being a one off thing.
 
They do, but that does not justify spending a ton of xp on Alchemy
X3 per current dot isn't really unreasonable even before discounts. There will be discounts.

Wonder crafting is not going to be allowed in this. Alas. Holden is entirely correct that Wonder-crafting isn't merely strong, like Enchanting or Alchemy, but genuinely busted. Shame that his substitute crafting system is an overcomplicated mess.
 
[X]Plan Diamonds Are Forever

This feels like the most balanced plan. Expanding our diamond selling is more an excuse to get set up with lawyers and accountants IMO than us really needing the spending money.

Similarly, I want to keep going on martial arts and make a start on sorcerous disciplines. I also don't want to leave the Rose thread hanging.
Now imagine Marconi's reaction to De Beers trying to hire him or someone in his employe to kill Molly.
It's almost a shame Marcone has a 'no kids' rule, because this would otherwise be very very funny.
 
It's almost a shame Marcone has a 'no kids' rule, because this would otherwise be very very funny.
Every "no kids" rule has limits.

Molly is activly playing, not just an innocent kid that gets tangled up with supernatural or criminal events.
At some point the older "live by the sword, die by the sword" rule outweights all others.
 
This line of argument fails to see crucial distinction between lottery and other more common games of chance. In the casino or underground gambling examples, you are either playing directly against the casino, or against other players who, crucially, agreed that they are all here to try to win to the maximum extent of their natural abilities.

The lotteries specifically prohibits any deviation from the pure chance based on any abilities of the participants, as evidenced by all the lottery regulations ensuring randomness of draws and legal decisions making methods of subverting randomness for positive EV illegal.

Using a natural ability to win against a casino or gamblers who agreed to a game with ability component is not cheating, using a natural ability to rig the lottery is cheating other participants who did not agree to any possibility of any abilities playing role in the lottery outcome. And lottery rigging has no effect on lottery organizers' income at all, you can't even say you are righteously profiting from the thieves.

Why go with the morally and legally dubious lottery rigging unless we absolutely have to? What is this specific pressing need to get 10s or 100s of millions of dollars in one go in the near future? If for whatever reason we would like to get money specifically from gambling, we could play high-stakes blackjack or sweep underground gambling parlors, it would get us millions. Or better yet, don't gamble, just produce and sell valuable goods, we are not lacking in abilities to do so now and certainly won't be in the future.
It's still a victimless crime though.
One person who might have won the jackpot won't win it.

But he will never know, he will never suffer for the loss. He will just loose the lottery like he did the hundred before and the hundred afterwards.

Nobody plays lotto with the serious expectation of winning big, unless they are a moron, so nobody is hurt by not winning big.

I'd actually say at the poker-table we'd hurt a lot more people by being supernaturally good, since those people came with the genuine expectation that their own skill would give them a good chance at winning, only to find out that the odds are actually stacked much higher against them than any casino would in a regular game.
 
Every "no kids" rule has limits.

Molly is activly playing, not just an innocent kid that gets tangled up with supernatural or criminal events.
At some point the older "live by the sword, die by the sword" rule outweights all others.
Also we are almost 18 any no kids rule has to have a cut off point.
 
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I know this is an OOC question so technically this could count as a minor spoiler but I will say this much, Morcone is not a robot with an interdiction on killing anyone under 18 which magically goes away on their eighteenth birthday, He has an intimacy that among other things gets triggered by those who kill children, where that tern is broadly defined to be about age yes, but also about innocence. If one of his guys force addicted a nineteen year old to crack or something equally heinous that person would be in deep trouble, but if on the other hand one of his underlings shot back at an opposing gang during a shoot out and the person they shot was 17 and six months Marcone is unlikely to punish them, though he might take special note of a gang that intentionally recruits very young and show them his displeasure.
 
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Well to anyone with any sort of supernatural sense Molly does not detect as 'innocent'.

As anyone given thought to want we want our final relationship with Marconi to look like?

We ignore each out
Business relationship
We put him in jail
We kill him
He becomes our minion
Ect.
 
The way I see it with Porter, the time limit on renovating the nest is when Porter feels like chastising us for not fulfilling our obligations. I don't know if he can pull fae level shenanigans and don't want to find out, which is why I want to establish a good faith effort to get started as soon as possible. Him not being Fae means the spirit of the agreement can be a thing. I don't know the rules which is why I want to deal with this as soon as reasonably possible. Porter may be an Earth Spirit with a slow sense of time but that is no reason to treat it like there is no time limit.

Also for all we know investing enough Action Points in it will let us get the supplies from Cleaveland. @DragonParadox do you feel like weighing in on what level of return we can expect for a given AP investment in more detail??

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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy

Porter's Passage 22st of July 2006 A.D. Maybe it's just paranoia, but the memory of just how well that specter had played the part of Lydia sticks to you: "We need to check that thing isn't around anymore..." What you would not give to have Harry's Sight right about now. "She would struggle...
On the somewhat more sedate journey you find out that he prefers to be called 'Porter' and that he has lived here as long as he can remember, that he is older than the city, though the name isn't. He rambles on in his hissing manner of things past and things he has known, of the days of Prohibition and the gangsters who used to fight the vampires down here for access to the tunnels, of the way the city used to look like before the Great Fire and how he has totally tried to warn the local Warden that it was coming after finding out from a Boneseer that was was going to go down only he had gotten really comfortable sleeping on a seam of soft shale and he'd mixed up moon passes and sun passes so by the time he woke up the people were already rebuilding the city.


Apparently the speed of mortal action leaves Porter bewildered at times, but also fascinated as to 'how they can have so much water in them and burn so fast'.

The letter of what we agreed to just for general convenience: Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy
"Aid to make my lair a more fit place to dwell, filled with light that does not fade, with beauty and purpossse," comes the forthright reply.
 
[X] A Rose and a Porter
-[X] Dreaming True,
Rosie is going to need help, training to manage her gift eventually, look around for information, books or ideally a teacher
-[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order
-[X] Look into the Minor Talents of Chicago, so far you have been isolated from the supernatural scene of Chicago, now that you can get in touch with them without necessarily having your dad with you all the time the time has come to change that... though given how both Mouse and McCoy thought you were bad news at first maybe you should bring dad or Harry along to some of them just as an introduction
--[X] A Rose's Tale: Follow up on Rose of Autumn, you are sure she will be happy to learn what became of the Pathfinders in Cleveland
-[X] Restoring the Last Station (x3): You promised Porter that you will help restore the Last Station to its former glory, a task what will not be easy or quick even with all your talents, though you are sure it will be rewarding in the end (0/8)
 
I think Mollys contacts, as in Dresden and being the daughter of a Knight of the Cross will play a larger factor in his decision as to how far to escalate.

Those aren't enemies you make lightly.

Molly isn't an enemy you make over trivialities.
 
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