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In doubt we can take Lydia with us.
She will always have at least 1 Essence at the start of the scene and she doesn't die easily.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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She will always have at least 1 Essence at the start of the scene and she doesn't die easily.
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Word of Jim he's more than just the abrahamic idea. There's clearly more to it than just abrahamic stuff.
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Yeaaah, White God with knights of the cross armed with swords of love. Clearly Hindu.
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Dude we've clearly only seen parts of it just like everything else. Also your word clearly means less than the authors if they say things of other parts pagan stuff can be holy in that world I am unsure why you keeps saying it's only abrahamic.
For fuck sakes Odin has soul fire.
Dunno how it works, just that it does.
Its not that hard to figure out if you're checking. Mobile phones broadcast their location every couple seconds to local cell towers.
If you rent a directionfinding car to drive past Dresden's building, or use a plane like the Feds do in natsec cases, you can find the number of radio sources in his building. Might even localize it to his apartment.
I rather not assume incompetence in the agents of an organization with nationstate resources. Avoids unpleasant surprises.
1)Both Charity and Michael have canonically wielded and wield True Faith.
Given as Charity is both Michael's armorer and wife, I would be loath to assume we can do better when the White God is putting his thumb on the scales. Especially since Molly is Per 2, Alerness 0, Awareness 0 ie essentially blind to magic that isnt basically poking her in the kidneys with a knife. And is as such at a disadvantage in assessing magic armor.
I mean, Charity made armor that basically took four shots from a handgun at close range without allowing penetration.
And thats basically bullshit.
Nicodemus attacked him, and Michael met him squarely, shouting, "O Dei! Lava quod est sordium!" Cleanse what is unclean, O God. Michael managed to hold his ground against Nicodemus, their blades ringing. Michael drove Nicodemus to one side and I had a shot at his back. I took it. Beside me, Marcone did the same.
The shots took Nicodemus by surprise and stole his balance. Michael shouted and pressed forward on the offensive, seizing the advantage for the first time. Both shining blades dipped and circled through attack after attack, and Michael drove Nicodemus back step by step.
"Hell's bells, he's going to win," I muttered.
But Nicodemus drew a gun from the back of his belt.
He shoved it against Michael's breastplate and pulled the trigger. Repeatedly. Light and thunder made even the rushing train sound quiet.
Michael fell and did not move.
The light of the two swords went out.
I shouted, "No!" I raised my gun and started shooting again. Marcone joined me.
We didn't do too badly considering we were standing on a moving train and all. But Nicodemus didn't seem to care. He walked toward us through the bullets, jerking and twitching occasionally. He casually kicked the two swords over the side of the train.
I ran dry on bullets, and Nicodemus took the gun from my hand with a stroke of his sword. It hit the top of the boxcar once, then bounced off and into the night. The train thundered down a long, shallow grade toward a bridge. Demon-girl Deirdre leapt over to her father's side on all fours, her face distorted in glee. Tendrils of her hair ran lovingly over Michael's unmoving form.
The shots took Nicodemus by surprise and stole his balance. Michael shouted and pressed forward on the offensive, seizing the advantage for the first time. Both shining blades dipped and circled through attack after attack, and Michael drove Nicodemus back step by step.
"Hell's bells, he's going to win," I muttered.
But Nicodemus drew a gun from the back of his belt.
He shoved it against Michael's breastplate and pulled the trigger. Repeatedly. Light and thunder made even the rushing train sound quiet.
Michael fell and did not move.
The light of the two swords went out.
I shouted, "No!" I raised my gun and started shooting again. Marcone joined me.
We didn't do too badly considering we were standing on a moving train and all. But Nicodemus didn't seem to care. He walked toward us through the bullets, jerking and twitching occasionally. He casually kicked the two swords over the side of the train.
I ran dry on bullets, and Nicodemus took the gun from my hand with a stroke of his sword. It hit the top of the boxcar once, then bounced off and into the night. The train thundered down a long, shallow grade toward a bridge. Demon-girl Deirdre leapt over to her father's side on all fours, her face distorted in glee. Tendrils of her hair ran lovingly over Michael's unmoving form.
When I woke up again, I was in a small bedroom. Stacks and boxes and shelves of fabric filled the place nearly to the ceiling, and I smiled, recognizing it. The Carpenters' guest room.
On the floor next to the bed was Michael's breastplate. There were four neat holes in it where the bullets had gone through. I sat up. My shoulder screamed at me, and I found it covered in bandaging.
There was a sound by the door. A small pair of eyes peeked around the corner, and little Harry Carpenter stared at me with big blue-grey eyes.
"Hi," I said to him.
He dutifully lifted his pudgy fingers and waved them at me.
"I'm Harry," I said.
He frowned thoughtfully and then said, "Hawwy."
"Good enough, kid."
He ran off. A minute later he came back, reaching way up over his head to hold on to his daddy's fingers. Michael came in the room and smiled at me. He was wearing jeans, a clean white T-shirt, and bandages over one arm. The cut on his face was healing, and he looked rested and relaxed. "Good afternoon," he said.
I smiled tiredly at him. "Your faith protects you, eh?"
Michael reached down and turned the breastplate around. There was a cream-colored material lining in the inside of the breastplate, with several deep dents in it. He peeled it back to show me layers and layers of bulletproof fabric backing ceramic strike plates set against the front of the breastplate. "My faith protects me. My Kevlar helps."
I laughed a little. "Charity made you put it in?"
Michael picked up little Harry and put him on his shoulders. "She did it herself. Said she wasn't going to spend all that trouble making the breastplate and then have me get killed with a gun."
"She made the breastplate?" I asked.
Michael nodded. "All of my armor. She used to work on motorcycles."
My shoulder throbbed hard enough to make me miss the next sentence. "Sorry. What did you say?"
"I said you'll need to take your medicine. Can you handle some food first?"
"I'll try."
I had soup. It was exhausting. I took a Vicodin and slept without dreaming.
On the floor next to the bed was Michael's breastplate. There were four neat holes in it where the bullets had gone through. I sat up. My shoulder screamed at me, and I found it covered in bandaging.
There was a sound by the door. A small pair of eyes peeked around the corner, and little Harry Carpenter stared at me with big blue-grey eyes.
"Hi," I said to him.
He dutifully lifted his pudgy fingers and waved them at me.
"I'm Harry," I said.
He frowned thoughtfully and then said, "Hawwy."
"Good enough, kid."
He ran off. A minute later he came back, reaching way up over his head to hold on to his daddy's fingers. Michael came in the room and smiled at me. He was wearing jeans, a clean white T-shirt, and bandages over one arm. The cut on his face was healing, and he looked rested and relaxed. "Good afternoon," he said.
I smiled tiredly at him. "Your faith protects you, eh?"
Michael reached down and turned the breastplate around. There was a cream-colored material lining in the inside of the breastplate, with several deep dents in it. He peeled it back to show me layers and layers of bulletproof fabric backing ceramic strike plates set against the front of the breastplate. "My faith protects me. My Kevlar helps."
I laughed a little. "Charity made you put it in?"
Michael picked up little Harry and put him on his shoulders. "She did it herself. Said she wasn't going to spend all that trouble making the breastplate and then have me get killed with a gun."
"She made the breastplate?" I asked.
Michael nodded. "All of my armor. She used to work on motorcycles."
My shoulder throbbed hard enough to make me miss the next sentence. "Sorry. What did you say?"
"I said you'll need to take your medicine. Can you handle some food first?"
"I'll try."
I had soup. It was exhausting. I took a Vicodin and slept without dreaming.
Based on what I know about armor, that shouldnt work. The armor composition shouldnt work again.
Ceramic strike plates plus kevlar backing plus an armorsteel face should weigh a ton.
And armor shouldnt resist point blank, barrel to face plate shots. Yet it does.
-TLF has nothing to do with making gear.
Just protecting party members. It doesnt bestow permanent benefits AFAIK.
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- Location
- Georgia
Jimmy can keep BSing and lying as much as he wants.
It works as difficulty reducer when "protecting others from the environment". This extends to getting others to follow our commands when the intent is to protect and feed them. Like, for example, organizing whampires to remake Chicago Underground into a better place (it stops working once it's no longer an area of urban blight). I figure that if it can handle this level of abstraction, then it can also handle "make environmental protection gear" level of abstraction. We're going to need to ask @DragonParadox for verification, though.
To equal us, Charity would have to be int 5 craft 5, and to have -4 difficulty reducers. And she'd spend five times as much doing this as we do.
And that's saying nothing of how we don't need to compete with Charity. We can collaborate with her. Adding at least a portion of her dice to ours.
Also, Ebon Scales are very, very unimpressive. They are firmly a "baby exalt first armored shirt, made in a cave, with a box of scraps". We will be making new armor. We have all the means.
I'll look at TLF tomorrow, it's really late for me
It works as a difficulty reducer in hostile environments.
I'll buy its extending to improvising environmental protection gear
Thats not the same thing as being a craft enhancer.
1)True Faith magic users in this setting can be utterly bullshit when the occasion calls for it.
Do not assume they operate under the same rules as the Exalt. And that right there is the problem.
Until and unless we develop the right sort of senses to tell whats what, I wouldnt interfere.
2)Hard disagree.
Ebon Scales is a light mail shirt thats effective against bullets and edged weapons, light enough to be worn day in and day out as an undershirt without any protective layering underneath, and gives a bonus to App + Intimidation rolls.
Its not the pinnacle of Exalted Craft in the setting, but its not baby's first armor either.
Not in a setting where Armor equipment dice appears to cap out at Armor 5.
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It was made with only 9 success, not bad but after craft is upped to 5, and adding difficulty reducers. We can easily make a 15+ success armor.
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Ok it took me about 3 days, but I managed to read the thread. Well most of it I skimmed alot. Glad I caught this quest early. I couldn't even manage to read a sword without a hilt.
Great quest.
I can't link to the exalted source books that people are talking about so is there any anti collateral damage charm we could get? Would have come in handy a few times. Of course it would be cooler if we had taken a giant sized Siki.
If one doesn't exist how about something like
Transcendental torturer technique
The Infernal does exactly as much harm as they mean to no more no less.
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Whenever the infernal would directly cause harm they don't intend they may reflexively spend 1 mote to reduce the severity of that harm, down to nothing if desired. This technique only applies to living beings not property.
This technique is free well in Siki form.
Example use cases:
Throwing a grenade into a room with a hostage and kidnapper. The kidnapper is knocked out all the hostage is amazingly unharmed.
Giant Siki form destroys a building in giant Godzilla battle. No casualties.
Molly drives her car carelessly and hits someone. Actually they are perfectly fine.
Torturing someone by repeatably dropping nukes on them that only kill them one cell at a time.
Say cutting words at a party which would apply to other people then your target. They all know you actually include them.
No idea how many dots the charm would be. Although I expect that it might have some limit based on essence level. Maybe can only save essanse squared victims per use?
Great quest.
I can't link to the exalted source books that people are talking about so is there any anti collateral damage charm we could get? Would have come in handy a few times. Of course it would be cooler if we had taken a giant sized Siki.
If one doesn't exist how about something like
Transcendental torturer technique
The Infernal does exactly as much harm as they mean to no more no less.
____
Whenever the infernal would directly cause harm they don't intend they may reflexively spend 1 mote to reduce the severity of that harm, down to nothing if desired. This technique only applies to living beings not property.
This technique is free well in Siki form.
Example use cases:
Throwing a grenade into a room with a hostage and kidnapper. The kidnapper is knocked out all the hostage is amazingly unharmed.
Giant Siki form destroys a building in giant Godzilla battle. No casualties.
Molly drives her car carelessly and hits someone. Actually they are perfectly fine.
Torturing someone by repeatably dropping nukes on them that only kill them one cell at a time.
Say cutting words at a party which would apply to other people then your target. They all know you actually include them.
No idea how many dots the charm would be. Although I expect that it might have some limit based on essence level. Maybe can only save essanse squared victims per use?
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Sure.
That doesnt necessarily translate to better armor. It might give you a better Appearance bonus when its visible, or be able to change colors or be more formfitting or not be detected by security scanners. Nice side benefits.
However.
There's no indication it will make a chainshirt go from Armor 1 to Armor 2, assuming that you are using the same raw materials and design.There's only so much benefit that overkill will give you. Legendary success in this setting is 5 successes.
The difference between 9 successes and 15 successes doesnt really translate to all that much difference.
On the TLF stuff, I'm not sure I understand the argument for it applying to anything except immediate needs for a group in a wasteland environment.
Obviously it comes down to DP's ruling, but just looking at the text:
It doesn't read to me like it's good for making protective equipment in advance any more than we could use it to make cooking easier by planning to go on a picnic in a desert.
Obviously it comes down to DP's ruling, but just looking at the text:
The difficultly is reduced to feed and protect people in those environments, but I don't see anything that implies prep time for it. It's on the the spot scavenging to stuff in the wasteland to improv solutions.
It doesn't read to me like it's good for making protective equipment in advance any more than we could use it to make cooking easier by planning to go on a picnic in a desert.
For the moment we're limited to what's in the ExWoD book, so we can't homebrew or import anything new.
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How's that lying? I mean the mothers are as strong as archangels apparently. Odin has soul fire and he's clearly keeping secrets for the apocalyptic trio. Lucifer is apparently a corporate officer of a large conglomerate compared to hades ceo of a small family business. Also you're making a headcanon that God is more doom and gloom in real life religion when honestly when has God ever been standardized instead of loosely defined? It's also made pretty clear in the books that not everything said about myths are true. All that's been proven of God is he's universal, fae call him the white god, even archangels say names are important and can be changed by them, their definitely connected to more than one faith and the abrahamic parts are at most one part.Jimmy can keep BSing and lying as much as he wants.
Their just as likely to Also be stuff like the jade emperor given what Jim's said about him being universal and things of pagan faith being of him as well.
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Well if nothing else transCendent lord oF Flies means that if we leave the house in a huff we don't need to worry about living expenses at all.
I would expect that when living on the street having the charm means that you find a thrown away unopened pizza box or the like whenever you feel even slightly hungry and other such conveniences. The charm seems fairly clear that sustaining yourself becomes effortless.
I would expect that when living on the street having the charm means that you find a thrown away unopened pizza box or the like whenever you feel even slightly hungry and other such conveniences. The charm seems fairly clear that sustaining yourself becomes effortless.
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Fair point.
Does… Does the stopping the handgun shots mean his armor… let's him soak lethal damage, or is it more of an ablative thing?
Also, our soak is… definitely lower than I'd like, particularly when coupled with us having 11 HLs and (for now) no combat-relevant heal/regen.
One big hit from an enemy and we could be down for the…
well, I take that back, we have our Shintai.
How long does that last us?
That gives us… 4 more soak and an additional 12 HLs?
Hm.
Do we instantly die if we go to (or below?) zero HLs?
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Disagree. Our current soak is enough right now that I would bet on her against any number of armed mortals. At least in any sort of urban environment. The numbers are such that they would all get in each other's way before they became a serious threat to her.
At least I think. I actually don't know the exact mechanics, but I think a man with a gun generally rolls 4 lethal and we have 4 soak before spending a single mote or using any charms. So on average if Molly stands still and let's people shoot at her more then half of the people do no damage.
True there are scarier things out there, but that is always going to be the case. If we just focus on combat then we just do bigger and bigger fights and it will feel like we are standing still.
Don't look at our soak values like we are in creation where we expect to fight other exalted. We are in a world of mostly mooks and things that prey on mooks. And the predators don't out class the mooks enough to not need to hide.
Actually can someone explain exactly what happens when someone shoots at us? Kind of want to know how much soak is enough that any group of armed thugs big enough to beat us is also too big to get the jump on us.
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Depends on the gun (and in some cases, the gunman). I would expect a sniper rifle, anti-materiel rifle, or the like to do significantly more damage or at least to do damage more reliably, and likewise for heavy weapons, I would also expect them to do more damage, potentially a lot more.
If we walk into an ambush/crossfire/prepared position, which with our perception is not impossible, we could take a whole lot of damage, even if it is just chip damage, before we have an opportunity to retaliate.
Also, it wouldn't be impossible for us to walk into some sort of trap, which could potentially do a whole lot of damage as well. Opening a door and taking an improvised (or not) Claymore to the face is not beneficial for one's health, particularly if it is immediately followed up by an ambush. Same goes for stepping on a mine of any variety.
Our Perception 2 Alertness 0 Awareness 0 ass is not going to be readily spotting traps, particularly if pains have been taken to conceal or disguise them.
On that note, Michael and Lydia have at least somewhat better stats in that regard, right?
…Right?
That's assuming that they are just that, 'thugs'.
They may not always be that. Sometimes they will be a good deal more than just that.
If we end up having to deal with Daedalus more often, particularly once they start to realize just what we're capable of, we might end up dealing with trained operatives instead.
Won't that be a lovely surprise (no it won't).
Doubly so if they're magically augmented somehow (a la the FBI… hexenwulven?)
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Right now I am not hearing that we need more soak, but more Perception.
I actually don't see why a bunch of rage wolves would be more dangerous to us then men with guns. Claws and teeth seem like they would be less damaging on average than guns. Also if they are getting into melee then we are hitting them with our atomic sword.
I actually don't see why a bunch of rage wolves would be more dangerous to us then men with guns. Claws and teeth seem like they would be less damaging on average than guns. Also if they are getting into melee then we are hitting them with our atomic sword.
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Oh, we need that too.
We need a whole lot more of it.
How many XP would it cost to improve one of those skills, though?
If we spread between the three skills, it'll net us even less gain.
Also, we can craft stuff that'll give us more soak. IDK if we can do the same to boost Perception.
It'll take us that bit longer to take each of them down.
Even if we're only, say, taking down two instead of three, that will allow them to keep dealing more damage for longer.
Alternatively, they tie us up/slow us down in melee while their allies barrage us from range.
That said, I'm not sure just how much that in particular would be Daedalus' style.
Also, question. A while back, it was said that the last time… Daedalus(?) tried to deal with the supernatural, the Knights had to clean up after them. Is that referring to the Knights as an organization, or did they wake up something that took multiple Knights to take down?
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After we hit a rage wolf with our sword once I would expect even if they live that damage penalties that they take would mean they are not damaging us anymore even if they could to begin with. That alot of agg damage to ignore.
In general our problem is dealing too much damage not too little.
In general our problem is dealing too much damage not too little.
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Welcome to the hell of "No custom charms allowed."
DP did say that he'll allow eventually, but...
Anyway, for homebrew, you need to define from which Hell does the charm in question originate, and how does it connect to the themes of that hell. Connection doesn't have to be very strong, but it needs to be at least a little bit there.
Charm to spare ppl from collateral damage... I dunno. Hells we got available aren't big on mercy and care for people who do not bow to us. Charms that exclude our underlings from AoE damage and such are possible, but excluding random civvies is a bit off-theme for Lanka, Boiling Oil, Kakuri and so on.
We should experiment a bit, try to recraft it, once we increase the dice pool a little and can guarantee 20+ sux results. Would be a good general litmus test on how gross over-roll interacts with crafting tasks.
4 points of soak at difficulty 5 is absolutely insufficient to render ppl with guns irrelevant. We tested that on Molly's hide. Shintai form Molly is generally invulnerable to ppl with hand-held firearms, though.
We have BSM, which has ease of activation baked in. DP confirmed that we are able to intentionally trigger CCC in locked room scenarios. Shintai Signature is another, and so is Barren Waste Infliction. That's -6 total from core charms, and we can get another -5/-7ish~ from Linear paths through Alchemy, Fortune, merits and other paths.
TLF does not exist in a vacuum; I can see a watsonian argument for allowing it to easily trigger for crafts and prep, but Doylist argument of "There is something like -12 total difficulty adjustment available already, hold your horses" feels very strong to me.
Alchemy/Enchanting 3 allows us to craft an artifact that would give us Auspex 1, which instantly rises one of our senses to superhuman level. If it is something that a mundane human can theoretically notice, then we wouldn't need to roll for it.
Also, funnily enough, dice difficulty adjusters are also relevant here; BSM Molly sees further and hears better after pouring a bottle of water on her head.
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