[X] Try to find local records of the 1953 shut down of Pathway Pharmaceuticals
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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- being near locations is my passion.
Just lazily hypothesising here; maybe they had a reason to be starting back up in the same place - possibly whatever entities here are location bound and just took a nap when some wizard took a swing at them and hit a decoy instead?
It's been 54 years since the shutdown. Maybe we'll find the names of local kids of former employees when looking for records?
Ah. If only Michale was a better lia-
I've got it. He's mute. Michael is mute and his daughter and her friend are looking for a good affordable place to help look after grandma as she's been getting on quite a bit. (Also, could mention we've been asking around and how can they give such reasonable prices?)
Regarding the security room, if we go in for a tour of the place and walk by the door Molly can sneak off (looking for the bathroom) and slip a tiny fibre-optic cable beneath the door to look through and implant Cyberdemons (assuming our Cyberdemon power works through glass).
Or if we can get a blueprint of the building beforehand to figure out where the security room is likely to be... and while we are at it, so we can notice if there are any differences between the blueprints and the building while we are there.
[X] Try to find local records of the 1953 shut down of Pathway Pharmaceuticals
[X] Make an appointment to tour the facilities. You don't necessarily need an excuse for that, but if they want an explanation you're looking into it for a friend. That the friend is God is irrelevant.
Old folks home gives tours and are 'public.' We don't need an elaborate excuse to get in for an initial look.
Old folks home gives tours and are 'public.' We don't need an elaborate excuse to get in for an initial look.
Reason for contacting a local Warden:
1) Molly is an Infernal Exalted that feels like an archfiend on a daytrip out of hell. Assuming she does anything significant, local warden, who isn't familiar with her as a person, is probably going to react to her as, well, an archfiend on a daytrip out of hell. Ie "call reinforcements from senior council while sacrificing their life to stall the apocalyptic threat's plans". We don't want that.
2) We further don't want our opponents, who likely haven't been discovered by the local warden, to contact them first.
3) Finally, if at least some of the facility's members are human (wizards) they fall under White Council jurisdiction and it's better to involve the warden from the start.
1) Molly is an Infernal Exalted that feels like an archfiend on a daytrip out of hell. Assuming she does anything significant, local warden, who isn't familiar with her as a person, is probably going to react to her as, well, an archfiend on a daytrip out of hell. Ie "call reinforcements from senior council while sacrificing their life to stall the apocalyptic threat's plans". We don't want that.
2) We further don't want our opponents, who likely haven't been discovered by the local warden, to contact them first.
3) Finally, if at least some of the facility's members are human (wizards) they fall under White Council jurisdiction and it's better to involve the warden from the start.
Thinking about it more, something funny about this occurs to me. Shell companies are probably going he worst possible way to hide things from us.
Sure they avoid giving away your name to anyone who looks, but they're discrete units in a chain linking back to the ultimate owner. Unless we get a specific limit like we did for lottery questions then we can use each link the chain as a different target for questions related to the person or people who own them.
The bigger and more complicated your financial web, the more questions we can ask that skip right past them.
Sure they avoid giving away your name to anyone who looks, but they're discrete units in a chain linking back to the ultimate owner. Unless we get a specific limit like we did for lottery questions then we can use each link the chain as a different target for questions related to the person or people who own them.
The bigger and more complicated your financial web, the more questions we can ask that skip right past them.
A scary fiend being around short term might provoke a response, but they probably can't run us down at the drop of a hat. Calling ahead forgoes the opportunity to avoid linking this incident to our name.
Not quite. Like Veekie said, that only works for rituals with patrons that have limited power pools.
It doesnt work against how to guides, like the ones that Kemmler spent a lot of time disseminating, and which the White Council spent a profligate amount of time hunting down and destroying.
And its actively counterproductive when dealing with classes of entities with essentially unlimited power pools, who gain more power and influence in the mortal world the more known they are. See the Stygian Sisterhood from the Thomas short story Backup, where their goal was to manipulate the White Council into publishing their grimoire far and wide.
Thats the whole point of the Oblivion War: destroying the knowledge of those entities and their rituals.
Mediocre rolls. Eh. FDA records it is. Or the local newspaper.
Finnish naming is interesting.
Thats Scandinavian, but Finnish mythology doesnt really share all that much commonality with Old Norse.
There's a noticeable Finnish-American population in the Cleveland area according to the 2006 census.
Finnish Americans - Wikipedia
There's a FDA office in Brunswick OH. 30 minutes drive from Cleveland.
We can go down and ask questions about the 1953 company and its owners, and why it was shut down. Put that social dice pool to work to talk our way into the office of someone willing to talk to us.
Also, use HMP to put a cyberdevil in the first computer we run across, whether the receptionist or that of someone more senior, and have our Cyberdevils use that access to dig into their historical records.
Michael is a Knight. Active deception is kinda against his thematics.
I remember Harry talking about how lying in Michael's company made him feel uncomfortable.
This is a fair point.We should probably be careful with the stakeout option. Molly's continuous darkhallow aura isn't stealthy; anyone with magical sensitivity nearby will probably see it as something like this:
Do we know if Lydia is as profoundly unsubtle as Molly is?
Play to the party's themes, and neither Molly nor Michael are sneaky and deceptive.
The local Warden is Harry.
He oversees four other Wardens in Atlanta, Boston, Dallas and New York City.
There is no resident Warden in Cleveland.
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[X] Try to find local records of the 1953 shut down of Pathway Pharmaceuticals
-[X] In order, FDA records, local government property, ownership and tax records for the original Pathway Pharmaceuticals and the property it was based on, and the local newspaper.
-[X]HMP relevant computer systems if possible to establish Cyberdevil access
-[X]STUNT: "So. Pathway Pharmaceuticals." You try, and fail, to steal one of your dad's snacks. "There's an FDA office thirty minutes from Cleveland that we could visit and ask why it was closed. We could also go to the local city office and ask for public records dating back to 1953." Lydia makes a face at the last sentence, and you nod. "Yeah. Local govt offices can be slow. Orrr.....local paper. Its been 53 years, so any reporter from that time would be in their 70s. And probably retired. But they would have personal knowledge. Whats it going to be first Dad?"
REASONS
In order?
FDA records for why the shutdown, and who owned and ran the company.
Local government property and tax records for who owned and ran Pathways Pharmaceuticals, and its principal officers atbthe time. Shell companies were not really a thing in 1953.
Local newspaper archives for reporting at the time, and they can point us at any retired reporters from that time who might remember the case.
[X] Try to find local records of the 1953 shut down of Pathway Pharmaceuticals
-[X] In order, FDA records, local government property, ownership and tax records for the original Pathway Pharmaceuticals and the property it was based on, and the local newspaper.
-[X]HMP relevant computer systems if possible to establish Cyberdevil access
-[X]STUNT: "So. Pathway Pharmaceuticals." You try, and fail, to steal one of your dad's snacks. "There's an FDA office thirty minutes from Cleveland that we could visit and ask why it was closed. We could also go to the local city office and ask for public records dating back to 1953." Lydia makes a face at the last sentence, and you nod. "Yeah. Local govt offices can be slow. Orrr.....local paper. Its been 53 years, so any reporter from that time would be in their 70s. And probably retired. But they would have personal knowledge. Whats it going to be first Dad?"
REASONS
In order?
FDA records for why the shutdown, and who owned and ran the company.
Local government property and tax records for who owned and ran Pathways Pharmaceuticals, and its principal officers atbthe time. Shell companies were not really a thing in 1953.
Local newspaper archives for reporting at the time, and they can point us at any retired reporters from that time who might remember the case.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Two Hours Later at the Local Library:
Molly: "Dad, what is microfiche?"
[X] uju32
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- Germany
Are reporters generally that young?
Might be that the people who worked at the local papers in the 50s and had personal contact are all 80+ or dead.
So now the question is was that sneeze her dad cutting her off before she revealed something she shouldn't, her cutting off a quote of her dad to paraphrase around something she shouldn't reveal, or something more benign?
Especially considering the initial phrasing seemed like "this is based off direct knowledge from me or dad having done this ourselves"
Carl Bernstein - Wikipedia
He was 21 when he became a fulltime reporter.
22 when the Washington Post hired him. 28 when he started working the Watergate story.
He's 78 now, and still a journalist, just an editor.
Times were different.
Assuming a hypothetical reporter was 23 in 1953, he'd be 76 in 2006.
Average life expectancy for white males is mid 70s; white females live longer. We could still find someone working with the paper back then who is still working there now. Or the newspaper staff would be able to tell us where any living reporters retired to.
Direct knowledge from having seen others do it, probably.
She isnt old enough to have the experience to have done so herself, and her father had sufficient professional experience hunting people that I expect he'd have seen it multiple times and passed it down.
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[X] uju32
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- washington
Michael has plenty of empathy and charisma he just has zero subtlety
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[X] uju32
Actually a note here, he is actually quite good at socials that are not based on deception and manipulation. Michael is for instance really good at persuading someone of a position he is sincere about or at discerning the motivation of someone acting in good faith. He is also reasonably good at formal interactions with supernatural beings. What he is not good at is lying, because he both is not comfortable with it and has had no real practice in it either. On the rare occasions he has had to take part in some kind of deception for serious stakes he has usually gotten by on silence and letting someone else take point.
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Although he basically has a superpower when it comes to convincing people of his sincerely and good intentions so it kind of balances out.
[x] Try to find local records of the 1953 shut down of Pathway Pharmaceuticals
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[X] uju32
I understand that it's not relevant for the current case and probably not very relevant at all, but, @DragonParadox , what happened with Black Raider?
I understand that it's not relevant for the current case and probably not very relevant at all, but, @DragonParadox , what happened with Black Raider?
The car was impounded by the cops, you will get an option to try and spring it once you have access to some place you can stash a stolen car, like that Undertown station (though that would come with its own complications) or one of Marcone's garages if you choose to work with him.
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Black Rider, Scourge of the Impound.
I tell you, I parked it right here!
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
How long was Black Rider summoned into his chassis? Was it a month? I can't recall.
Hopefully his time won't elapse before we have a chance to spring him from the impound lot.
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- washington
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It still has the demon in it right? Well if so I vote that we just let said demon enjoy themselves by minorly trolling the cops. No physical harm or destroying property. Messing with them is fine though.