Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

When did thread tags get added to the alerts screen? Just now remembered that I added the "cyber-devil cellphone" tag a while back.
 
At some point we really need to come to an accommodation with these guys. Despite the fact that they've been profoundly dickish so far I still think having a group of actual humans to at least somewhat represent the interests of the common man is valuable. Especially considering the array of monsters that make up the major supernatural powers.
 
On a more direct note, I'm not sure they are deliberate sacrifices. We don't know exactly how long they've been at this or what their experience had been like.

I mean, they arrested a wizard in his own home, despite having had a bad experience once before. I somehow doubt it was with a real wizard, because pissing one off at home isn't something a sane person does.
Just to illustrate the point, here's probably the first scene that made me stick with the series.
For the sheer amount of mayhem that Dresden can whip up at a moment's notice, and how much hell the supernatural can throw in the face of vanilla mortals.

Fool Moon, Chapter 19:
FM Chapter 19 said:
From out in the hallway, there came a scream that no human throat could have made, a sound of such fury and insane anger that it made my stomach roil and my guts shake. Gunfire erupted, not in a rattling series of individual detonations, but in a roar of furious thunder. Bullets shot through the wall, somewhere near me, and smashed out a couple of windows in the special investigations office.

I was on my last legs, exhausted, and terrified half crazy. I hurt, all over. There was no way I was going to have the focus, the strength I needed to go up against that monster. Easier to run, to plan something out, to come back when I was stronger. I could win a rematch. It's tough to beat a wizard who knows his enemy, who comes prepared to deal with it. It was the smart thing to do.

But I've never been known for my rational snap judgment. I gripped the blasting rod and started sucking in all the power I could reach, scooping up my recent terror, reaching down into the giggling madness, scraping up all the courage I had left, and pouring it into the kettle with everything else. The power came rushing into me, purity of emotion, complex energies of will, and raw hardheadedness, all combining into a field, an aura of tingling, invisible energy that I could feel enveloping my skin. Shivers ran over me, overriding the pain of my injuries, the ecstasy of power gathering my sensations into its heady embrace. I was pumped. I was charged. I was more than human, and God help anyone who got in my way, because he would need it. I drew in a deep, steadying breath.

And then I simply turned to the wall, pointed my rod at it, and snarled, "Fuego."
Power lanced out through the rod in a flood of scarlet light that charred a six-foot circle of wall into powder and ash and sent it flying. I stepped through it, wishing for my duster, for a second, just for the cool effect it would have.


The hallway was a scene out of hell. Two officers were hauling a third down the hall toward me, while three more with shotguns fired wildly around the corner. I don't think the rescuers had taken the time to note that the body they were dragging away from the combat had no head attached to it.
One of the cops screamed as the riot gun he held ran empty, and something I could not see jerked him forward, around the corner and out of my vision. There was a horrible shriek, a splash of blood, and the two remaining shooters panicked and fled up the hall and toward me.

The loup-garou came around the corner after them, hauling one of the men down and ripping its claws across his spine with a simple, savage motion that left the man quivering on the bloody tiles and hardly made the beast miss a step. It set its eyes on the next man, one of the plainclothes SI detectives, and hamstrung him with a slash of its jaws. The beast left him howling on the tiles and hurtled toward the retreating pair, still frantically dragging their corpse away.
I stepped forward, between the fleeing men and the beast, and lifted the blasting rod. "I don't think so, bub."

The loup-garou crouched down, its massive body moving with unholy grace, its head and forequarters soaked in blood. I saw its eyes widen, and its muscles bunch beneath its dark brown pelt. Power gathered at my fist, red and brilliant, and the length of my blasting rod turned an incandescent white. Energy seethed through me as I prepared to release hell on earth at the monster. My teeth ached and my hair stood on end. I tensed every muscle I had, holding it all back until I could put every scrap of strength I had into the strike.

And then there was the bark-bark-bark of Murphy's little target pistol, and the loup-garou's rear flank twitched and threw out little bursts of blood. Its head whipped to one side, back down the short hallway, and its body followed suit, faster than a serpent. There was a surge of enormous muscles, a howl of rage, and then the thing was gone.
I spat a curse and ran down the hall after it. The hamstrung officer lay on the floor screaming, and the other man, the one who'd had his spine ripped out, was choking and twitching, unable to draw in a breath. Red anger flooded me, rage that I realized with some dim part of my mind was as much a part of the beast and its blood-maddened frenzy as it was of me.
I rounded the corner in time to see Murphy, standing in front of a litter of bodies, take a last shot at the loup-garou. And then it snarled and she vanished underneath its bulk.

"No!" I screamed and ran forward.
Carmichael beat me to it. His round belly had been ripped open. There was blood all over his cheap suit, though his food-stained tie had somehow remained untainted. His face was grave pale and set with the sort of intensity that only a dying man can have. He held a bent and twisted riot gun in his hands and he hurled himself onto the loup-garou's back as though he weren't sixty pounds overweight and long past his agile years. He wedged the riot gun between the loup-garou's jaws, but the beast turned and slammed Carmichael into the wall with a sickening crunch of bone and a gout of blood from the man's mouth.

Murphy slithered out from between the beast's paws on her shoulder blades and buttocks, her cute little cheerleader's face set in a berserker's fury. She jammed the end of her little gun beneath the thing's chin. I saw her hands convulse on the trigger. But instead of a flash of light and a dead loup-garou, there was only the whooping of the alarm and a look of shocked surprise on Murphy's face. The gun had run empty.
"Murphy!" I shouted. "Roll!"

She saw me with the blasting rod and her eyes flew wide. The loup-garou shook its shoulders free of Carmichael's corpse and bit completely through the riot gun, thrashing its head left and right. Murphy scuttled sideways across the tiles and through the hole in the wall the beast had made earlier.

It took one snap at her and then whipped its head around to snarl at me. I saw the crimson light reflected in its eyes as I focused every bit of fury in the world on the tip of my rod, and shouted, "Fuego!" I saw the reflected image in the beast's eyes brighten to nuclear-white in front of a tall, lean figure of black shadow, saw the flood of energy as big around as my hips rush down the hall like a lance of red lightning and hammer into the beast. Sound rushed along with it, a mountain's roar that made the gunshots and screams of the evening seem like a child's whispers in comparison.
The power lifted the loup-garou, hurtling it over the wounded figures moaning on the floor, down the hall, into holding, through the security door, through the cell door immediately across from it, then through the brick exterior wall of the building and out into the Chicago night. But it wasn't over yet. The lance of power carried the loup-garou across the street, through the windows of the condemned building across from the station, and through a series of walls within, each one shattering with a redbrick roar. Before the red fire died away, I could see the far side of the building across the street, and the lights of the next block over through the hole the loup-garou had made.


I stood in a blood-splattered hallway, filled with the moans of the wounded and the wail of the escape alarm. The sounds of emergency vehicles drifted into the building through the ragged hole in the wall. A slender young black man stood up from the floor of the cell the loup-garou had smashed through and gawked at the hole in the wall, then followed the destruction back down the hallway to where I stood. "Damn," he said, and it had the same hushed tone to it as a holy word.

Murphy struggled out of the hole in the wall to pitch down on the floor of the hallway, gasping. I could see the bulge of bone warping out the skin of her lower arm where it had been snapped, somehow. She lay white faced and gasping, staring at Carmichael's crushed body.
For a moment, I couldn't do anything but stand there gawking. There was another hole in the wall, where the loup-garou must have crashed back into the hall, putting itself between the two groups of policemen, where they couldn't risk shooting at it without hitting one another. Or maybe they had. Some of the men who were down looked as though they had bullet wounds.
And from outside, over the sirens and the moans and the noise of a city night, I heard a long, furious howl.
That was in a police station and attached jail, with witnesses and cameras.
At least four confirmed police fatalities, one jailer, and an unknown number of jailed prisoners.
Plus the wounded.

And note that this was in the course of an FBI case with a team of rogue FBI agents, so they have approximately negative excuse to lack familiarity with the details, or to be running around doing secret squirrel supernatural stuff and not consider this stuff to be a potential outcome if they misstep.
 
At some point we really need to come to an accommodation with these guys. Despite the fact that they've been profoundly dickish so far I still think having a group of actual humans to at least somewhat represent the interests of the common man is valuable. Especially considering the array of monsters that make up the major supernatural powers.
There are more competent groups like that, like the Library of Congress guys.

This group is just fucking around and will soon enough find out.
 
There are more competent groups like that, like the Library of Congress guys.

This group is just fucking around and will soon enough find out.
When this is all said and done we need to find this guy's office and apply anti-muggle wards to it. Tell him straight up that this is something almost everyone who matters can do, and unless he can find his way back into his own office he needs to reconsider his career choices.
 
When this is all said and done we need to find this guy's office and apply anti-muggle wards to it. Tell him straight up that this is something almost everyone who matters can do, and unless he can find his way back into his own office he needs to reconsider his career choices.
Doesn't seem worth it.
He'll sooner or later get eaten by troll or blasted by a Wizard's trap completly without our intervention.
 
When this is all said and done we need to find this guy's office and apply anti-muggle wards to it. Tell him straight up that this is something almost everyone who matters can do, and unless he can find his way back into his own office he needs to reconsider his career choices.
Endless Torment Emanation can curse an office or a project with inefficiency.
It increases the difficulty of all rolls to push the project forward by +2.

Narratively it happens because spirit maggots keep eating important paperwork.
 
Is a muggle propelling ward something that Gard can set up on the fly or is it like making a magic item?
 
Is a muggle propelling ward something that Gard can set up on the fly or is it like making a magic item?
Wards are spells that get applied to thresholds. The stronger the threshold the easier it is to create a ward. If you don't care about power and endurance it should be fairly quick despite the lack of a strong threshold due to this being a public building. The QM said 9 seconds. It doesn't require much power because the agents don't have a drop of power between them to resist magic.
 
I do wonder if Sapphire Circle Banishment will prove sufficient to remove Mantles and similar investitures of power from people without killing them in the future.
I mean, it can apparently remove Fallen from their hosts at a minimum, as well as cure half-Reds, so maybe?
Figure mantles are more like artifacts than spirits in most cases. Similar to Exaltations.
 
I do wonder if Sapphire Circle Banishment will prove sufficient to remove Mantles and similar investitures of power from people without killing them in the future.
I mean, it can apparently remove Fallen from their hosts at a minimum, as well as cure half-Reds, so maybe?

Given that Harry described the Mantle of the Winter Knight almost like an external thing that was empowering his worst instincts you could make the argument that that they are separate enough for that... but I think that may be more of a Harry Dresden thing than a mantle thing. He has this thing where he represses what he sees as the darker part of himself enough to make a Victorian moralist proud. :V

Seriously I do not think most humans have a mirror universe Evil Me inside their heads
 
Would Gard's muggle-repelling ward necessarily work against the FBI agents? It:
Lastly she is able to cast a Ward of Warning if you have time to prepare the battleground, basically a ward that instinctively drives ordinary people away from the warded place while also guiding them a little as to the easiest and safest way out. So not only will it not drive someone into oncoming traffic, but it would even make them avoid hidden dangers like landmines.
So it says it "instinctively drives ordinary people away". But might a bunch of FBI agents who think they know what they are doing correctly identify it as a mental influence and resist it? They aren't just random people passing through. They have reason and intent to be here.
Using the Ward of Warning seems like it would also ruin our element of surprise. A wide area effect like that doesn't seem like it would be subtle.

On the other hand I really like the idea of flipping them to our side. We can conclude that they are probably dupes, but most importantly they are uniformed dupes. Thus we as an exalted with social excellencies can come in and subvert them. I don't think it would be a move that Katrina would expect.
Perhaps Katrina thought I would not dare confront her with only mortal allies at my back, or perhaps she hoped so. Katrina never had much respect for mortals
Especially arrogant of Katrina given that one of the weaknesses of her abilities is being overwhelmed by many opponents. Action economy is powerful and our opponents aren't yet at the point where bullets aren't a threat. And they can knock us out of time freeze when it happens so a character with a more important action doesn't have to waste time.

So I think that we have here an opportunity to gain useful allies in the upcoming fight, not just deny whatever our enemies were hoping for. This is an acknowledged weakness of our opponent.

[X] Try to cooperate, you are all on the same side against the likes of Katrina and Evil Bob
-[X] Check Agent Wright's phone to figure out what they think they are doing here first. So you can tailor your approach.

I'll try to think of a stunt. We can stunt this sort of thing to get extra dice right?
 
i think that even outside the narrow focus of this specific situation, I think we need to talk about and decide on how we should approach mundane institutions trying to get a handle on the supernatural. While this specific FBI operation might not be on the up and up, the natural desire of a working government to fulfill its social contract with its citizens and be able to protect them from predations of the supernatural is not something I am willing to condemn. People shouldn't be bitten by red court vampires, and those who are should be provided with medical treatment and monitoring. White court vampires should at the very least be regulated. Cops should have means to deal with warlocks.

So, do we stand on the side of preserving the masquerade and declare that it is within our authority to protect mortals, or do we stand on the side of empowering mundane authorities, if only vetted ones? Do we, for example, start helping Special Investigations and issuing them hellphones and other special equipment?
 
So, do we stand on the side of preserving the masquerade and declare that it is within our authority to protect mortals, or do we stand on the side of empowering mundane authorities, if only vetted ones? Do we, for example, start helping Special Investigations and issuing them hellphones and other special equipment?
I'm definitly on the side of keeping mundane institutions out of the supernatural world.
Not in the sense of keeping up the Masquerade, everyone can know of our glory, but in the sense of not helping them interfere.
People who try to influence the supernatural without going all-in and becoming members of said world deserve whatever they get.
 
i think that even outside the narrow focus of this specific situation, I think we need to talk about and decide on how we should approach mundane institutions trying to get a handle on the supernatural. While this specific FBI operation might not be on the up and up, the natural desire of a working government to fulfill its social contract with its citizens and be able to protect them from predations of the supernatural is not something I am willing to condemn. People shouldn't be bitten by red court vampires, and those who are should be provided with medical treatment and monitoring. White court vampires should at the very least be regulated. Cops should have means to deal with warlocks.

So, do we stand on the side of preserving the masquerade and declare that it is within our authority to protect mortals, or do we stand on the side of empowering mundane authorities, if only vetted ones? Do we, for example, start helping Special Investigations and issuing them hellphones and other special equipment?
Sick the church on them. This is a "dad's boss" problem. Let dad's boss sort it out.
 
Change my vote.

[X] Try to cooperate, you are all on the same side against the likes of Katrina and Evil Bob
-[X] Check Agent Wright's phone to figure out what they think they are doing here first. So you can tailor your approach.
 
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