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Why are we assuming that Arawn owes Mab any debt?

He's not mortal, she can act against him just as she can act against Summer. It's only mortals that she needs an excuse to interact with.

I think the best option here remains to simply cut Mab out of this. If Arawn doesn't get caught or found Mab is just out of luck.

Yog said:
It's kinda not going against her? Not entirely? She still gets her revenge by killing him. She just doesn't get the vindictive "and also bind his innocent daughter into eternal slavery" part of revenge.
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Why would we want Mab to get anything she wants at all. She's Molly's enemy.
 
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Alratan said:
I think the best option here remains to simply cut Mab out of this. If Arawn doesn't get aught or found Mab is stuck.
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This would leave Harry in a lot of trouble. He's willing to do so, but that's not the best option.
Alratan said:
Why would we want Mab to get anything she wants at all. She's Molly's enemy.
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Because we are not ready for a direct conflict with vengeful Mab.

So... We probably need to discuss this with everyone present, to hash out options. Like, if Lydia signs a contract with Monoc securities for the next year as an intern, would she be unable to accept Mab's offer? Would such limited service (and we'll then hire her for money) plus killing Holt be enough to resurrect Arawn?
 
Yog said:
So... We probably need to discuss this with everyone present, to hash out options. Like, if Lydia signs a contract with Monoc securities for the next year as an intern, would she be unable to accept Mab's offer? Would such limited service (and we'll then hire her for money) plus killing Holt be enough to resurrect Arawn?
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Even if it'd be a longer term contract, Odin is a much better employer than the Cold Queen.
 
DragonParadox said:
The answer comes clinking like frozen gears turning in a distant hall far off: "Queen Mab means to transfer the mantle of the Ankou to his daughter who willl then serve her in exchange for her father's life, thus will she have vengeance of for the remaining span of his days and a servant she can more easily mold to her whims"
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Our Crown is so broken.
 
[X] Talk to everyone present, to work out what options exist that don't end with with Lydia suffering in eternal slavery to the person who has all reasons to make her life miserable as a tool of misplaced revenge against her father
-[x] Ask Gard if her employer would be willing to intervene in the situation, provided we deliver Katrina to him.

@DragonParadox is being valkyrie a mantle? If so, is it compatible with Lydia?

Edit: is Cindy compatible with Ankou's mantle?
 
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Yog said:
This would leave Harry in a lot of trouble. He's willing to do so, but that's not the best option.

Because we are not ready for a direct conflict with vengeful Mab.

So... We probably need to discuss this with everyone present, to hash out options. Like, if Lydia signs a contract with Monoc securities for the next year as an intern, would she be unable to accept Mab's offer? Would such limited service (and we'll then hire her for money) plus killing Holt be enough to resurrect Arawn?
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Harry has agreed to summon Mab when he knows where Arawn is. We can set thi by a up so that he can do so but Arawn is also warned and ready to immediately go somewhere else. He can fulfill what he has agreed to without Arawn needing to die.

We're not ready to throw down with Mab, it we don't need to. We can still thwart her goals
 
[X] Talk to everyone present, to work out what options exist that don't end with with Lydia suffering in eternal slavery to the person who has all reasons to make her life miserable as a tool of misplaced revenge against her father
-[x] Ask Gard if her employer would be willing to intervene in the situation, provided we deliver Katrina to him.
 
Yog said:
[X] Talk to everyone present, to work out what options exist that don't end with with Lydia suffering in eternal slavery to the person who has all reasons to make her life miserable as a tool of misplaced revenge against her father
-[x] Ask Gard if her employer would be willing to intervene in the situation, provided we deliver Katrina to him.

@DragonParadox is being valkyrie a mantle? If so, is it compatible with Lydia?

Edit: is Cindy compatible with Ankou's mantle?
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Molly is not sure, but she does not think it is a Mantle since there are too many of them, it is most likely more like a type of lesser immortal like the Sidhe. She does not know what the preconditions of it are.
 
DragonParadox said:
I mean how does one model a demigod? Keeping in mind that the ability to use essence does not only belong to the Celestial and Terestrial Exalted, but also to the gods of creation. If I had to model say Odin or Santa he would use essence.
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Fair enough I suppose. I was under the impression that gods and spirits worked under different rules in ExWoD, but if they're ported over under the same rules then that makes it fit better.
 
Artemis1992 said:
A little Exigent is not nearly as disastrous as one of the big, golden genius-idiots.
Nevermind a few hundred of them.

Celestial Exalted are a wholly different tier of potential and bullshit from Terrestrial Exalted.
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Or you know god-blooded the thing that is mechanical the same as exigent without the lore breaking effects of letting more exaltations run around. They are such a dumb idea when gods explicitly can do the same thing without having to die.
 
Earth-Destroyer said:
Or you know god-blooded the thing that is mechanical the same as exigent without the lore breaking effects of letting more exaltations run around. They are such a dumb idea when gods explicitly can do the same thing without having to die.
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There are no rules for god-blooded in WoD.
It's much easier to use exigents than to try and make a new type of supernatural veing from scratch.
 
Knowing Mab, even if Lydia did agree to take on Ankou's mantle in exchange for resurrecting her father, I would be willing to bet it would be a monkey paw type wish. Arawn would resurrect, then thousands of years of life would catch up to his suddenly mortal chassis, thereby aging him to dust in about three seconds.
 
Alratan said:
Harry has agreed to summon Mab when he knows where Arawn is. We can set thi by a up so that he can do so but Arawn is also warned and ready to immediately go somewhere else. He can fulfill what he has agreed to without Arawn needing to die.

We're not ready to throw down with Mab, it we don't need to. We can still thwart her goals
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It's worth noting that Mab isn't stupid; if we're super overt about screwing with her plans we go on a list. Especially if we try to do it in a way that leaves her with nothing for her efforts.

She's pragmatic enough that if we shuffle things around in a way that gets all of us what we want in a way that we can stomach that she'll likely take it.

Further, winter is an important part of the function of the world beyond their single greatest responsibility. As nasty as their behaviors can be, we're better off with them being strong and influential than we are without. For now.

They certainly should be weakened in some areas, but I don't think their ability to contend with necromancers is one of them.
 
Goldfish said:
Knowing Mab, even if Lydia did agree to take on Ankou's mantle in exchange for resurrecting her father, I would be willing to bet it would be a monkey paw type wish. Arawn would resurrect, then thousands of years of life would catch up to his suddenly mortal chassis, thereby aging him to dust in about three seconds.
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No, the Crown clearly mentions the remaining span of his days.
And also Mab is not the type to break deals by technicality.

And lastly she wants Lydia formable, not hating her more than her father ever did. She is a bad boss, but she still has some skill in leadership.
Not having your employees hate you so much they are willing to screw themselves over to hurt you is important.
 
Realistically, with the tools we have, the best outcome is Arawn dead after having a talk with his daughter, the mantle NOT going to Lydia, and us getting a new circlemate who counts winter as an enemy.
 
BronzeTongue said:
They certainly should be weakened in some areas, but I don't think their ability to contend with necromancers is one of them.
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Arawn has been doing that part for a century without working for Winter.
And Lydia would propably use her powers against Necromancers regardless who she works for.

And also we have a list of a Kemmler-adjacent group of Necromancers and fully intend to act against them whenever possible.

And the White Council has Gorefel and will propably know about all his fellows he personally knew.

In short, it's a bad time to be a Necromancer, regardless if Winter has a hunter of restless dead or not.
 
Only 9 votes so far, but already for 7 different options. This is a bad habit of ours...

Democracy FTW! :V
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Sep 22, 2022 at 8:09 AM, finished with 58 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger
    [X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.
    [X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger
    - [X] Ask Harry if he has any good ideas about keeping Mab from getting hooks in the innocent girl.
    [X] Talk to everyone present, to work out what options exist that don't end with with Lydia suffering in eternal slavery to the person who has all reasons to make her life miserable as a tool of misplaced revenge against her father
    -[x] Ask Gard if her employer would be willing to intervene in the situation, provided we deliver Katrina to him.
    [X] Tell Lydia, it's her life and her father that's in danger
    - [X] Ask Harry if he has any good ideas about keeping Mab from getting hooks in the innocent girl.
    -[x] If proves impossible, figure out how Lydia can get the best deal out of it.
    [X] Get Harry to find Arwan, he cannot call Mab if you knock him out
    [X] Brainstorm ways to mess up Mab's plan together with Harry.
    -[X] Option 1: Harry fails to find Arawn, bad for Harry. Disliked.
    -[X] Option 2: Harry finds Arawn in a way it takes him a while to inform Mab even "as soon as he is able"
    -[X] Option 3: Lydia can say no
    -[X] Option 4: Could Lydia resurrect him on her own?
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Artemis1992 said:
Arawn has been doing that part for a century without working for Winter.
And Lydia would propably use her powers against Necromancers regardless who she works for.

And also we have a list of a Kemmler-adjacent group of Necromancers and fully intend to act against them whenever possible.

And the White Council has Gorefel and will propably know about all his fellows he personally knew.

In short, it's a bad time to be a Necromancer, regardless if Winter has a hunter of restless dead or not.
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This isn't strictly about suppressing necromancy as a practice or particular necromancers as a faction. That's important, but not the whole of it.

It's that this was a security issue serious enough that winter went out of its way to set up an entire department for it. A fact that probably hasn't escaped the notice of bad actors like nemesis. The practice is unlikely to get stamped out, so it just encourages those people to pursue and exploit the weakness, ultimately making them more effective at supplanting winter with even worse people who provide no benefit for their presence.

Keeping the red caps beaten down enough that they have no time to bother mortals is one thing, but blocking the winter court from being able to defend itself from an obvious weakness is just cutting off our nose to spite our face.
 
[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.

Normally I would vote for telling Lidya, but our ability to scrying Mab is a sensitive information.
 
Dheer said:
[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.
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Arhin said:
[X] We still need more information. Talk to Bob about how mantles can be transferred without killing their holders.

Normally I would vote for telling Lidya, but our ability to scrying Mab is a sensitive information.
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We already got the answer ooc. It's not. Mab is planning to kill him to transfer the mantle, but his nature as a death god he can be resurrected.
 
If we have everyone discuss this together we can propably keep it to a single update, talking to everyone alone means multiple updates of standing around.
 
[X] Talk to everyone present, to work out what options exist that don't end with with Lydia suffering in eternal slavery to the person who has all reasons to make her life miserable as a tool of misplaced revenge against her father
-[x] Ask Gard if her employer would be willing to intervene in the situation, provided we deliver Katrina to him.
 
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