Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Can get get Harry to write the terms of Mab's task down on a piece of paper and use THAT as a focus to ask questions about how Mab intends to resolve the deal?

I mean, it's going to freak out our friendly Valkyrie and draw Odin's eye once this is all over, but Santa is always watching anyway, so we just need to make sure to stay off the naughty list.

Too far removed from the source, if he had written it down at once it could have worked, but as it is the piece of paper would only be linked to Mab through Harry so Harry question

Was MIster present when the deal was struck? Was Mouse? Would any of them work as a focus as parts of the situation?

Well you are in luck

Mouse was not present or he would have told you himself instead of sending you to Bob, but Mister could have been and thanks to the roll he was. Not even Queen Mab can interrupt his nap.
 
COMMENTARY
Hi!" she says, extending her hand with more determination than exuberance. "You must be Harry, you're going to help me find dad right? He's..." she sighs. "He's missing, I know it's going to be a debt, but I can bear it if I have to. Least I can do for messing up with the Grey Heir..." she cuts her self off looking at Molly and Gard on the couch. "The evil ghost, that's what she called herself."
Grey Heir?
Thats a funny way to say Corpsetaker.

And so you tell her: "Ankou isn't working for Mab anymore, hasn't worked for her for more than a hundred years...."
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"Wait... but Bob said that the kind of vows Ankou made to Winter cannot be unsaid or escaped," she interrupts.

"They can't normally, but Arawn was old as he was patient and according to Mab of all the necromancers he faced none were so slippery nor so clever as Kemmler himself. But when it looked like Ankou had finally cornered the bastard back in 1917 Kemlmer made a deal with him, to teach him the secrets of mortality as only men know them, as only mortal men are meant to know them, allowing him to slip the chains of Winter and be something like what he used to be."
-The most interesting discovery here is that Arawn is a fullblown god of death. Which makes Lydia a demigoddess.
I am curious about why the normal safeguards around Halloween dont protect him.

-Arawn was willing to do deals with Kemmler in 1917, AFTER he set off WW1. Worth remembering who and what he is.
He's Lydia's dad, but we arent dealing with some innocent here. That said, its in theme for a lot of top tier supernaturals to have dealings; Mab owed Nicodemus a favor, and the Erl King had dealings with the Reds, and Kincaid used to work for Drakul.

Its just run of the mill morality for old people.

-The year is 2006.
If the Ankou slipped the leash more than a hundred years ago, that would date to before 1907. Which would mean that any deals done with Kemmler in 1917 were not necessary for him to free himself from his agreement with Winter.

-"Secret". Did Mab actually, explicitly say it was a secret, or did she mislead Harry into making assumptions about secrecy?
Because thats very much what Im seeing here. I dont really think its credible to believe that the general supernatural world hasnt figured out that Arawn is a free agent for the last century, especially as apparently all Kemmler's associates knew.

-Kemmler held Bob until his death in 1961.
Bob should know the details of whatever deal Kemmler did with Arawn
Unless it's in the part of himself he fissioned off into Evil Bob.

"I promised to find him than summon Mab as soon as I am able with the news," I explain,mind racing to think of how I could get out of this. "The reason I insisted on the last part is because I couldn't drop a summoning circle in the middle of the street."
1)He hasnt found him yet.
And you dont actually need a formal summoning circle; for someone who has her attention like Dresden, calling her name 3x times will do.

2)Mab is playing Mab games. As per usual.

She only lost access to her Knight a couple years ago. If she had wanted to find Arawn before this, she would have sent the Knight to find him. If she'd wanted to kill or punish him for quitting she could have sent her Knight, or any number of agents, or gone herself; he had dealings with her Court, so he could not use mortality as a shield.

The fact that she didnt means she didnt want to. Looking for him now suggests she has a use for him.

3) Mab is vengeful. Mab is also pragmatic.
She is not spending a valuable asset like Dresden in pursuing a grudge when her handmaiden came under attack by Nemesis and Arctis Tor itself was besieged by attackers wielding Hellfire.

I frankly trust Mab's pragmatism a lot more than I do a god of death we havent met.
 
I am curious about why the normal safeguards around Halloween dont protect him.
Propably precisely because of that strong connection to Mortality as a concept?
She only lost access to her Knight a couple years ago. If she had wanted to find Arawn before this, she would have sent the Knight to find him. If she'd wanted to kill or punish him for quitting she could have sent her Knight, or any number of agents, or gone herself; he had dealings with her Court, so he could not use mortality as a shield.

The fact that she didnt means she didnt want to. Looking for him now suggests she has a use for him.
He was frequently moving and seemed reasonably paranoid, he is very old and propably quite deadly.

You can't rule out that he left a few Winter Knights and other mortal agents as corpses in the last century.
Those that didn't just loose his trail at least.
 
I mean I guess you could send Loyd Slade against the being that had Kemmler on the ropes ninety odd years ago...I would not really bet on Slade.

The more than a hundred years was me forgetting this is 2006. One moment while I fix it.
 
OK cool. Would have been really scummy if she held back info for an 'impossible' request to get what she wants and keep a favor
 
Well you are in luck

Mouse was not present or he would have told you himself instead of sending you to Bob, but Mister could have been and thanks to the roll he was. Not even Queen Mab can interrupt his nap.
Oh, great. Then a vote edit:

[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.

This gives us the info we need at essentially no cost.
 
[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.
 
[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.

That was a damn good idea.
 
[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.

Sometimes having plot-knowledge that even Mab can't block is neat.
 
Propably precisely because of that strong connection to Mortality as a concept?

He was frequently moving and seemed reasonably paranoid, he is very old and propably quite deadly.

You can't rule out that he left a few Winter Knights and other mortal agents as corpses in the last century.
Those that didn't just loose his trail at least.
1)Every god active has a strong connection to mortality.
Thor et al are allegedly out there doing professional wrestling iirc Word of Jim right.

2)Not really.
Not when said Winter Knight or other such agent can legally bring a Sidhe war party, or summon Mab herself, or Maeve, or the Leanansidhe, with an act of will. If Mab had wanted him dead, he'd be dead.

The moving around is probably due to his office as a death god.
I mean I guess you could send Loyd Slade against the being that had Kemmler on the ropes ninety odd years ago...I would not really bet on Slade.
The more than a hundred years was me forgetting this is 2006. One moment while I fix it.
Well, yeah.
Kemmler was scary powerful by the end of his career, but not on the scale of the immortals. Thats why he made the Darkhallow after all. Around the turn of the century? Eh. Especially if he wasnt on Demonreach.

But say Slate, or some other Winter Court associate.
Find him, then tag in Lea, who is Mab's handmaiden and the third most powerful member of Winter's hierarchy.
Dude would splatter.

If you're vulnerable to a Kemmlerite, it kinda puts a hard cap on how powerful you can be,
 
[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.
 
Well, yeah.
Kemmler was scary powerful by the end of his career, but not on the scale of the immortals. Thats why he made the Darkhallow after all. Around the turn of the century? Eh. Especially if he wasnt on Demonreach.

But say Slate, or some other Winter Court associate.
Find him, then tag in Lea, who is Mab's handmaiden and the third most powerful member of Winter's hierarchy.
Dude would splatter.

If you're vulnerable to a Kemmlerite, it kinda puts a hard cap on how powerful you can be,
He owes his current state to Kemmler.

I can totally believe that he is both good enough to consistantly escape Winter and troubled by Kemmlerits who may be less powerful in total, but know his weaknesses and understand his nature better.

Besdies, from what we know of his behaviour during Lydia's lifetime he clearly wasn't going for confrontation with Winter, but rather trying to keep his distance and avoid straight fights.
 
But say Slate, or some other Winter Court associate.
Find him, then tag in Lea, who is Mab's handmaiden and the third most powerful member of Winter's hierarchy.
Dude would splatter.

If you're vulnerable to a Kemmlerite, it kinda puts a hard cap on how powerful you can be,

The trouble with that is Slade is not what you would call a detective and most fey are not that good at working in the realm of 'mortal feromancy'. So it would have to be the mortal Knight, whose time is not limitless or other agents bound with vow and pledge.
 
[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.
 
[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.

[X] "It's too soon to try to plan around having to deal with Mab on top of the rest of this mess. Why don't we just focus on stopping the necromancer plot for now, and play the rest by ear as the situation develops? I know that's probably not how you normally do things, but it's been working for me so far." And should we need to knock Harry out before he can summon Mab, we can make that decision if and when it becomes necessary.
 
He owes his current state to Kemmler.
I can totally believe that he is both good enough to consistantly escape Winter and troubled by Kemmlerits who may be less powerful in total, but know his weaknesses and understand his nature better.

Besdies, from what we know of his behaviour during Lydia's lifetime he clearly wasn't going for confrontation with Winter, but rather trying to keep his distance and avoid straight fights.
1)I dont. Winter is THE supernatural superheavyweight of the Dresdenfiles setting.They're why the Unseelie Accords exist, brcause they intimidated everyone else into signing. Their resources are vast, and they have tons of people falling over themselves to do them favors to get in their good books. Its exceedingly unlikely a single god of death is avoiding them for a century

2)His wishes dont really matter here; a jackal does not get to determine if he gets in a confrontation with lions.
If Winter wanted him, there's good reason to believe they'd have him by now.

And frankly, broken oaths are an arcane link by which Mab would trivially haul him in. We see it happen with Dresden.
Which leads me to believe that he didnt break his oath, but terminated his relationship entirely legally, so Winter had no reason to pursue him.

Im betting Mab is just shorthanded and looking to offer him a job.
If she's got Nemesis issues, going outside the Court for consultants might be worth her while.
It is essentially what she does with Dresden.
The trouble with that is Slade is not what you would call a detective and most fey are not that good at working in the realm of 'mortal feromancy'. So it would have to be the mortal Knight, whose time is not limitless or other agents bound with vow and pledge.
Other agents then. Winter has no shortage of them for a search.
Slate is a relatively new employee; no idea who the previous Knight(s) was, but the RPG is fairly clear that the Knight around the time of the Russian Revolution was not Slate, and we dont know how many have happened since then.

It's kind of hard to make the distinction with Mab who to a great degree is her power (and her limitations) but I would say wouldn't. It's bad business to have that kind of reputation. As powerful as she is reputation matters.
Yeah. To quote:


Mab Mortal brute. Whatever your past, whatever your future, know this: I am Mab, and I keep my bargains. Question my given word again, ape, and I will finish freezing the water in your eyes.
Mab I am Mab. The stars will rain from the sky before Mab fulfills not her word.


Woman is scrupulous about keeping her bargains.
 
Does it matter that much what Mab wants to do with him?

It could be pretty awful, but he signed up for that when he broke his oath. It's not like swearing or dying was his only option; we see gods like Hades kicking around using other mechanisms. He just wanted to be active and then got buyer's remorse.

It's sad that this will also hurt his kid, but the combination of shitty choices he's made all but ensure that will be the case regardless of what we do.

We're better off focusing on saving Lydia and possibly subtly tilting the scales if we like what we see when we meet him.

Beyond that, him ending up on a tree in Mab's garden is a better outcome than screwing ourselves over defending him even if he's somehow a good person.
 
Other agents then. Winter has no shortage of them for a search.
Slate is a relatively new employee; no idea who the previous Knight(s) was, but the RPG is fairly clear that the Knight around the time of the Russian Revolution was not Slate, and we dont know how many have happened since then.

It kind of does lack agents with both significant knowledge of the mortal world and the ability to hunt and actual death god without ending up as the hunted. I'm not saying 100% it would be impossible for Mab to do it no matter how many resources she threw into it, but Mab can also be patient and Harry is likely a hell of a lot better than the alternative in terms of resources spent
 
Does it matter that much what Mab wants to do with him?

It could be pretty awful, but he signed up for that when he broke his oath. It's not like swearing or dying was his only option; we see gods like Hades kicking around using other mechanisms. He just wanted to be active and then got buyer's remorse.

It's sad that this will also hurt his kid, but the combination of shitty choices he's made all but ensure that will be the case regardless of what we do.

We're better off focusing on saving Lydia and possibly subtly tilting the scales if we like what we see when we meet him.

Beyond that, him ending up on a tree in Mab's garden is a better outcome than screwing ourselves over defending him even if he's somehow a good person.
It would be nice if it wasn't that bad. It would solve a lot of problems.
 
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