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Exalted grow from adversity.
Having enemies makes them grow faster.
Having an enemy can be a more engaging story as well.
But mostly I refuse to let Mab have Lydia.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Having enemies makes them grow faster.
Having an enemy can be a more engaging story as well.
But mostly I refuse to let Mab have Lydia.
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That's debatable.
And it still doesn't matter, because there isn't a damned thing we can do to stop Mab from getting him. At best, we could engineer something that delays it for a short time, while getting ourselves and Harry on Mab's shit list. If Harry wants to do that, fine, it's IC for him. Molly doesn't have to throw her life away with him, though.
They need time to grow. We won't have that time if we invite the entirety of Winter to shit on us from a great height.
RIP Harry.
I hope the dice are kind to him.
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Harry isn't an intimacy for no reason.
She won't give him up lightly.
We had a choice to bring the Winter Court down on us earlier. In Arc 0 Post 6.
We didn't.
Because Harry warned us.
Because we were weak and needed more time.
Because Loyd was very far from innocent.
We now know more about the threat Winter can be.
We have had some time and are far stronger.
But most importantly Lydia is innocent.
Fuck what Mab wants. We'll throw a spanner in those works one way or another.
As so many said before. Standing aside is a choice with meaning for an Exalted.
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I'm optimistic that foiling Mab's plans once won't lead to immediate death by Winter.
Propably just raise the Enemy rating by one or two dots.
And I am also optimistic that we can successfully help Arawn, he has survived this for a century after all.
[X] "It's too soon to try to plan around having to deal with Mab on top of the rest of this mess. Why don't we just focus on stopping the necromancer plot for now, and play the rest by ear as the situation develops? I know that's probably not how you normally do things, but it's been working for me so far." And should we need to knock Harry out before he can summon Mab, we can make that decision if and when it becomes necessary.
[X] "It's too soon to try to plan around having to deal with Mab on top of the rest of this mess. Why don't we just focus on stopping the necromancer plot for now, and play the rest by ear as the situation develops? I know that's probably not how you normally do things, but it's been working for me so far." And should we need to knock Harry out before he can summon Mab, we can make that decision if and when it becomes necessary.
[X] "I can't hand someone to Mab Harry. Not someone who got away. I know you are stuck in the deal you made, but I can't be part of that. Lydia, if you want to stick with Harry, fine, but I'm going after Katrina."
[X] "I can't hand someone to Mab Harry. Not someone who got away. I know you are stuck in the deal you made, but I can't be part of that. Lydia, if you want to stick with Harry, fine, but I'm going after Katrina."
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Options:
1) Arrange Harry to find the Ankou somewhere too public for a summoning.
2) Stop Harry from summoning once he finds him.
3) Use the Crown on Mab once she's there. "What secret does she most want kept." Blackmail her.
My posted plan uses 2)
[X] Of course I'll help. Lydia does not deserve that. For now you will do exactly that. It'll be obvious when I derail it.
-[X] Let him technically fulfill the terms. For that he needs to find the Ankou.
-[X] Then he'll have to try his best to summon Mab.
-[X] What you don't tell him that he won't be able to make a summoning circle anytime soon with you attacking him to knock him out
-[X] He can tell Mab once Lydia and her Dad got away
[X] We should call Mab now, see what she intends and if it's too bad... well we'll burn that bridge when we get to it
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Plan 1 we get killed by Mab.
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Okay, question: What happens in Exalted when a Perfect Attack meets a Perfect Defense?
I'm asking because, while we *do* have a Perfect Defense against mental attacks, I'm not sure how well that would fare against any Perfect Attacks that might come our way at some point in the future.
For another matter, are Perfect Defenses able to be dispelled or disabled?
I'm asking because, while we *do* have a Perfect Defense against mental attacks, I'm not sure how well that would fare against any Perfect Attacks that might come our way at some point in the future.
For another matter, are Perfect Defenses able to be dispelled or disabled?
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Perfect defenses have primacy 99.999% of the time. Though I've heard there may be a book with an attack that breaches perfect defenses somewhere in some edition, I have no idea which book, but I suspect it's one people might prefer to treat as noncanon.
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[X] Very obviously lie to Harry (if need be with exeggerated winks) that things will have to happen as they do, so he can claim innocence before Mab
-[X] Be ready to stop him from summoning her by any means necessary, including knocking him out.
That should at least protect Harry, since he is the one with the debt.
-[X] Be ready to stop him from summoning her by any means necessary, including knocking him out.
That should at least protect Harry, since he is the one with the debt.
I was going to save this for the next update, but if you guys were minded to choose talk to Mab the demon in your head suggests answering death threats by pointing out that you may die but the Exaltation is imperishable in ways the powers of Faerie cannot hope to match and it will remember whom its first bearer after all these long years of binding hated. The words come to mind: 'I do not fear death oh queen of the passing chill, do you?'
Remember, perfect mental defense, she cannot mind-read if you are being serious and your social rolls are inhumanly good.
I can see it now. Mab and Molly staring each other down across the room... The winter's chill driven back by the burning of a green sun... Harry Dresden hiding behind us like a shield.
There is a gradient between rocks fall and nothing going wrong. Maybe winter doesn't kill us, but things can still be plenty awful.
As a note for talking about negotiation; consider the value Mab is trying to get back. Ankou is a god with an eternal service oath to her that betrayed the court and spat in its face. She has the loss of the divine hatchet man and the insult to make up for.
Do we want to pay the value for that? Cause I doubt weekends at the gate are going to cut it. It's probably involve becoming a formal subordinate of winter at some level.
The other thing to consider is that Mab is really good at turning simple agreements into traps. The whole basis of her relationship with Dresden is that she's using her favors to slowly align him to her until he needs to become her knight. She's good at this; even a deal that doesn't look to bad will in practice be set up like a debt trap.
Any plan that starts with "outsmart Mab, then keep doing it on a regular basis" is flatly bad.
This story isn't going to have a perfect happy ending. We can mitigate the fallout, but we shouldn't do it at the expense of our own long term independence and health.
As a note for talking about negotiation; consider the value Mab is trying to get back. Ankou is a god with an eternal service oath to her that betrayed the court and spat in its face. She has the loss of the divine hatchet man and the insult to make up for.
Do we want to pay the value for that? Cause I doubt weekends at the gate are going to cut it. It's probably involve becoming a formal subordinate of winter at some level.
The other thing to consider is that Mab is really good at turning simple agreements into traps. The whole basis of her relationship with Dresden is that she's using her favors to slowly align him to her until he needs to become her knight. She's good at this; even a deal that doesn't look to bad will in practice be set up like a debt trap.
Any plan that starts with "outsmart Mab, then keep doing it on a regular basis" is flatly bad.
This story isn't going to have a perfect happy ending. We can mitigate the fallout, but we shouldn't do it at the expense of our own long term independence and health.
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Whether we end up voting to do something stupid to save Lydia (assuming she even needs saving...) or her father, I don't think now is the time to be trying to decide what exactly we're going to do. Very little over the past few days has happened like we were expecting, after all.
Saying we'll wing it doesn't sound great, but what else can we actually plan on right now when we know so little about how this is all going to play out? Mab isn't even going to be an issue until after Katrina and her merry band of necromancers are dealt with.
Saying we'll wing it doesn't sound great, but what else can we actually plan on right now when we know so little about how this is all going to play out? Mab isn't even going to be an issue until after Katrina and her merry band of necromancers are dealt with.
Just guessing but think Katrina is trying to usurp the Ankou's new position as death god of the forgotten. No doubt exploiting flaws in the Ankou's ascension left by Kemmler. No doubt why he still on the hunt for Kemmler people. So long Kemmler people are still around the the ascension is only half complete, ownership of the the power is still contested, and does not fully belong to him.
[X] "Before we do anything else, we need to know what Mab intends to do with him once she finds him. Thankfully, I have just the tool for the job. Now, tell me - was there any one or anything else present during your deal with Winter Queen? Mouse? MIster?" Use the Crown on MIster to find what Mab is planning to do with the Ankou if and once they are located.
@DragonParadox would this burn out Harry as a focus, Harry as a PI as a focus, or would this be "observing the situation" and only burn the topic of Mab's involvement in the current situation?
Otherwise, this is exactly what Exalted OCP BS is needed for. To unearth Mab's and her ilk's plans without them learning about it. We don't want to rush in. If she is planning to kill / torture him for eternity, that's one thing. If she only plans something reasonable, that's a different thing. If she wants to trap Lydia, that's a third thing that ends with immortal killing charms.
@DragonParadox would this burn out Harry as a focus, Harry as a PI as a focus, or would this be "observing the situation" and only burn the topic of Mab's involvement in the current situation?
Otherwise, this is exactly what Exalted OCP BS is needed for. To unearth Mab's and her ilk's plans without them learning about it. We don't want to rush in. If she is planning to kill / torture him for eternity, that's one thing. If she only plans something reasonable, that's a different thing. If she wants to trap Lydia, that's a third thing that ends with immortal killing charms.
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It would burn out your single Harry question, people are not like concepts, at lest not mortal people. They are all that they are at once, not mantling wizard or PI.
Are there any other foci available? Some downpayment (if Mab paid Harry anything material besides clearing one of his debts)? Maybe some physical description / document / clue left by Mab?
Not that I can think of, Mab did not pay him anything, he still owes her from the debts she took on from his godmother and Harry can't exactly snap pictures of her.
Can get get Harry to write the terms of Mab's task down on a piece of paper and use THAT as a focus to ask questions about how Mab intends to resolve the deal?
I mean, it's going to freak out our friendly Valkyrie and draw Odin's eye once this is all over, but Santa is always watching anyway, so we just need to make sure to stay off the naughty list.
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Works for me. Find out what we're dealing with, then plan from there.
Works for me. Find out what we're dealing with, then plan from there.
Was MIster present when the deal was struck? Was Mouse? Would any of them work as a focus as parts of the situation?