Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Sep 15, 2022 at 9:09 AM, finished with 70 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X]Say you were worried about her
    -[X]Charisma + Empathy Excellency (-1 Essence)
    [X]STUNT: "Rescuing a girl kidnapped by necromancers to blackmail her grandfather" you yell back over the din."Say hi to Cindy. This is my dad Michael. And the lady is a volunteer." Your eyes flicker briefly to the witchlight in her hands and back up to her face. "I recognized your shoes in the muck, and I worried. What brings you down here alone?"
    [X] "Rescuing a little girl who was kidnapped by Nazi Necromancers so they could blackmail her grandfather. Say hi, Cindy. What are you doing here?"
    [X] "Making sure that my brother's girlfriend and fellow teen wielder of awesome cosmic powers makes informed choices and isn't taken advantage of. And also to warn you about ancient nazi necromancers trying to get your father."
    -[X]Charisma + Empathy Excellency (-1 Essence)
    [X] "Rescuing a little girl who was kidnapped by Nazi Necromancers so they could blackmail her grandfather. Say hi, Cindy. What are you doing here?"
    -[X] Use Essence
    [X] "You know... Riding dragons. Rescuing damsels. Girl stuff."
 
Ready and easy access to flight changes most of the world from a two-dimensional environment to a three-dimensional one. Completely ignoring the advantages that can give us in combat, the mobility upgrade alone would be worth the investmwnt, IMO.

Suddenly, escape options that would have otherwise been untenable become safe and simple, entry into places that would have been difficult if not impossible to infiltrate for a variety of reasons are now trivial, easy and rapid travel is no longer limited to roads, and the loss of or lack of a motor vehicle is merely an inconvenience rather than a serious hindrance.
 
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Not to mention that, if we have to rely on MHM for flight?
We would be incapable of using the sorcery spell Invulnerable Skin of Bronze, which increases our soak for a whole day by +4 by giving us metal skin, but makes us weigh like a quarter ton or around 600 pounds.
 
[X]STUNT: "Rescuing a girl kidnapped by necromancers to blackmail her grandfather" you yell back over the din."Say hi to Cindy. This is my dad Michael. And the lady is a volunteer." Your eyes flicker briefly to the witchlight in her hands and back up to her face. "I recognized your shoes in the muck, and I worried. What brings you down here alone?"
 
Can mortals learn Ancient Sorcery in any way? Because I think Most Verdant Blessing of the Wood Dragon would sell for a lot to White Council if they can. It would essentially negate techbane for mortal wizards without the need for demons to be bound into things. Of course 5 essence and ten successes at difficulty 8 makes it damn hard for mortals to do, and probably would require massive rituals to enchant something as simple as a mobile phone. Still, such an ability, even if we are the only one who can cast it, would be much more acceptable to White Council for their own use.
 
Are there any other Exalted like Molly our possibly other Infernals and/or Exalted setting thing mashed into Dresden'ss World?
Is there a possibility of getting a mantle or blessing involving superhuman integrity for Harry?
Exalted noob here
 
Are there any other Exalted like Molly our possibly other Infernals and/or Exalted setting thing mashed into Dresden'ss World?
Is there a possibility of getting a mantle or blessing involving superhuman integrity for Harry?
Exalted noob here
If the lore of exalted holds, most exaltations are currently locked in the Black Vault somewhere in Himalayas. Without breaking it open, which, to be fair, is something I would for, even if it would be an epic quest, the only exaltations we have a small chance of encountering are Infernal ones, buried deep in hell realms waiting to be unearthed one by one, and Alchemical ones, held deep within Autochtonia, which itself is probably somewhere in deep Wyld / Nevernever / Space. Autochtonia being the world body of primordial Autochton - the creator of exaltations, one of the builders of Creation. Assuming it exists I this setting.

In principle, alchemical exaltation is the easiest to implant into a given host, as on the physical level it acts essentially as a guyver unit or a denarian coin. You pick it up, and it transforms you.

If exaltations are released, Harry has a good chance of getting one, I think. The most hilarious one for him to get would be the Lunar exaltation that is connected to the Solar exaltation ours was made from.
 
Ready and easy access to flight changes most of the world from a two-dimensional environment to a three-dimensional one. Completely ignoring the advantages that can give us in combat, the mobility upgrade alone would be worth the investmwnt, IMO.

Suddenly, escape options that would have otherwise been untenable become safe and simple, entry into places that would have been difficult if not impossible to infiltrate for a variety of reasons are now trivial, easy and rapid travel is no longer limited to roads, and the loss of or lack of a motor vehicle is merely an inconvenience rather than a serious hindrance.

Flight isn't something that's particularly thematically linked to Infernal Exalted, or that is likely to need the power of a charm to do. It's an ideal capability to get by enchantment or alchemy, because, as noted above we've seen lots of wizards do it, so we can probably be taught a recipe for alchemy or enchantment to do it. We don't need to buy a charm or use a By Rage Recast slot for it.

Can mortals learn Ancient Sorcery in any way? Because I think Most Verdant Blessing of the Wood Dragon would sell for a lot to White Council if they can. It would essentially negate techbane for mortal wizards without the need for demons to be bound into things. Of course 5 essence and ten successes at difficulty 8 makes it damn hard for mortals to do, and probably would require massive rituals to enchant something as simple as a mobile phone. Still, such an ability, even if we are the only one who can cast it, would be much more acceptable to White Council for their own use.

No, Exalted only, unfortunately.

If exaltations are released, Harry has a good chance of getting one, I think. The most hilarious one for him to get would be the Lunar exaltation that is connected to the Solar exaltation ours was made from.

I actually think, given his history of tech bane, an alchemical one might be most amusing just for his sheer WTF.

I doubt he can exalt, as Mages in ExWoD can't.
 
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I...deeply hope Autochthon isn't still around as with the obvious failure of the Solars to save things there's a significant chance that Autocthon finally succumbed to his affliction and is now The Engine of Extinction.
 
I...deeply hope Autochthon isn't still around as with the obvious failure of the Solars to save things there's a significant chance that Autocthon finally succumbed to his affliction and is now The Engine of Extinction.
Canon ExvsWoD has Autochton very much alive, if likely amnesiac / still slumbering / senile. WoD Autochtonia is Autochton, and he was slowly playing Technocracy behind the scenes for eventual takeover / until he repaired enough of himself to be safe. Then exaltations got released, and he panicked, flash-producing a (very small) number of modern alchemical exaltations.
No, Exalted only, unfortunately.
Well, that would make us a monopolist, and allow us to set the prices in a wide range, then.
I actually think, given his history of tech bane, an alchemical one might be most amusing just for his sheer WTF.
Yeah, that would be funny.
I doubt he can exalt, as Mages in ExWoD can't.
We had this argument before, and it's arguable to say the least. Molly exalted, and she has full wizard talent - she lacked training, but was already a practicing self-taught mage doing veils and mind alterations. Exalted wizard would likely need to relearn large parts of their craft, but it might be possible.
 
Can mortals learn Ancient Sorcery in any way? Because I think Most Verdant Blessing of the Wood Dragon would sell for a lot to White Council if they can. It would essentially negate techbane for mortal wizards without the need for demons to be bound into things. Of course 5 essence and ten successes at difficulty 8 makes it damn hard for mortals to do, and probably would require massive rituals to enchant something as simple as a mobile phone. Still, such an ability, even if we are the only one who can cast it, would be much more acceptable to White Council for their own use.
Thats literally on my list for once we have money.

Put it on a modern vehicle, with modern electronics and just dump it on Harry and enjoy watching him goggle at it refusing to die to environmental magic fuckery. I assume we could probably make a Wonder/Talisman that would autocast it on a vehicle given particular conditions eg consuming a pound of gold per ton of vehicle

Though, if we were doing techbane stuff, the White Council would be a lot more interested in something that can project a field over a fixed area. Because specifically, hospitals. Wizards would benefit from being admitted to hospitals where all the modern stuff like MRIs, CT scans and ventilators wont just die because a wizard sneezed.
 
Can mortals learn Ancient Sorcery in any way? Because I think Most Verdant Blessing of the Wood Dragon would sell for a lot to White Council if they can. It would essentially negate techbane for mortal wizards without the need for demons to be bound into things. Of course 5 essence and ten successes at difficulty 8 makes it damn hard for mortals to do, and probably would require massive rituals to enchant something as simple as a mobile phone. Still, such an ability, even if we are the only one who can cast it, would be much more acceptable to White Council for their own use.

Mortals, like plain old vanilla humans? No, non-Exalted supernatural beings, maybe. The thing is unlike mortal magic Ancient Socery starts from the premise of 'I have authority over this thing of my own intrinsic nature' and then continue with *hacks the N patches ago source code of the universe*. Putting power behind one of those things as a mortal wizard will kill you, both might just write you out of existence. Now could some unseen genius have found a way around that technically... again maybe. It would take a lot of time, a lot of skill and no small amount of luck.

It is not something you guys should even anticipate teaching a mortal.
 
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Though, if we were doing techbane stuff, the White Council would be a lot more interested in something that can project a field over a fixed area. Because specifically, hospitals. Wizards would benefit from being admitted to hospitals where all the modern stuff like MRIs, CT scans and ventilators wont just die because a wizard sneezed.
The council is probably rich enough collectively to fund a private hospital where we could just enchant all the equipment.
 
The council is probably rich enough collectively to fund a private hospital where we could just enchant all the equipment.
I doubt that very much. We dont have the time, and we dont regen Essence fast enougj.
And frankly, you'd be surprised at how much individual gear a modern hospital needs.
Id frankly go with the field effect if I got the choice. We can field trial it in a wizard's residence.
 
I doubt that very much. We dont have the time, and we dont regen Essence fast enougj.
And frankly, you'd be surprised at how much individual gear a modern hospital needs.
Id frankly go with the field effect if I got the choice. We can field trial it in a wizard's residence.
Ideal solution would be a talisman that stops techbane of the wearer. Or at least that would be equally as useful as the field version, if for different applications.
 
Is there any chance of Molly's siblings still being magic?
Can molly eventually learn cantrips that don't involve using her Essence?
Can she still act as a really powerful sorcerer? Or still use Dresdden style life magic at all? Is her wizard talent gone now or superseded?
 
Honestly with Paths of sorcery, Ancient sorcery is basically useless. Everything Ancient sorcery can do, Paths can do better.
Ancient Sorcery is much more powerful per spell.

A Flight of the Brilliant Raptor or Field of Obsidian Butterflies deals more damage than a 5-Dot Pyromancer can do.

The Zombie-spell calls a whole group of functional Zombies that don't need constant concentration into being.

The sleep-spell is much harder to resist than any regular mind-magic.

Broze Skin is also stronger than any equivalent I know of.

I'm on the phone right now, so I can't look up more examples, but I think they exist.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Sep 15, 2022 at 12:47 PM, finished with 91 posts and 21 votes.

  • [X]STUNT: "Rescuing a girl kidnapped by necromancers to blackmail her grandfather" you yell back over the din."Say hi to Cindy. This is my dad Michael. And the lady is a volunteer." Your eyes flicker briefly to the witchlight in her hands and back up to her face. "I recognized your shoes in the muck, and I worried. What brings you down here alone?"
    [X]Say you were worried about her
    -[X]Charisma + Empathy Excellency (-1 Essence)
    [X] "Rescuing a little girl who was kidnapped by Nazi Necromancers so they could blackmail her grandfather. Say hi, Cindy. What are you doing here?"
    [X] "Making sure that my brother's girlfriend and fellow teen wielder of awesome cosmic powers makes informed choices and isn't taken advantage of. And also to warn you about ancient nazi necromancers trying to get your father."
    -[X]Charisma + Empathy Excellency (-1 Essence)
    [X] "Rescuing a little girl who was kidnapped by Nazi Necromancers so they could blackmail her grandfather. Say hi, Cindy. What are you doing here?"
    -[X] Use Essence
    [X] "You know... Riding dragons. Rescuing damsels. Girl stuff."
 
Is there any chance of Molly's siblings still being magic?
Can molly eventually learn cantrips that don't involve using her Essence?
Can she still act as a really powerful sorcerer? Or still use Dresdden style life magic at all? Is her wizard talent gone now or superseded?
Superseded. As far as we know, it is impossible for us to use magic like a mortal. Though sufficient shenanigans may be able to resolve the problem. I dunno.
 
We can learn sorcery, which is apparently like what minor talents can do, but not have the flexibility of a true wizard.
Sure/Acknowledged. Thanks for the clarification.

Here's the quote I'm working off of for what happens when Molly tries to use normal magic for people's reference.
Source: Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files) Crossover - Fantasy
And so as you had done many times before you try to coax them, to nudge them as you want them to go, like blowing soap bubbles. "I'm not here," you breathe into them...or try to at least.

The moment you touch the magic is surges towards you...through you and falls into the place behind your heart,freezing cold and hotter than the sun. You try again and again...and again and every time it slips through your fingers and right into your soul as Usum puts it. While you grow no more adept at stopping it with every try you become convinced that there is something at the other end more than 'a whole pile of magic', a substance, an essence that is heavier, more real.

Being the reasonable and level headed person that you are you grab for that. You can hold it just fine, it does not go back where it came from, but it just lies there, like a lump of steel or maybe uranium. No amount of whispering at it is going to make this bend this into a spell, at least not in English. You are going to need stronger older tools for this.

How do you feel about this?

[] Relieved, one more argument for the White Council not to try to cut off your head

[] Saddened, as much sense as Lasciel's warning makes you would have liked to be a wizard,maybe learn from Harry in formally

[] Perturbed, what does the Essene in your soul do? What spells could need that kind of power

[] Write in

OOC: So there it is,no easy access to all the flexibility of Dresenverse magic for you unfortunately. You are going to have to make do with your Demon Emperor superpowers for now. To be clear what is happening is your Exaltation is in emergency power mode since there is no Essence out there, there is however this thin denaturated soup of probability that can be used as an Essence precursor so it just slurps that down and produces by its standards a pittance of motes each day. When Molly tries to do mortal sorcery she makes a path of least resistance between the magic she is trying to shape and the cosmic pump in her soul so it just slurps it up.
 
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