Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Exalted with combat charms, we deal aggravated damage. That is the run away to die damage type.
in fairness they seem to have some kinda blanket magic immunity no idea what or how might be outsider deals who knows. I figure some magic is you know scary seeing as you can cause someone heart to blow up on the other side of a city with enough blood. it'd be fun to just laugh it off though and go molly go brrrr.
 
"Our magic" is mostly "sword good" so far.
Magic resistance is not very helpful there.
yeah thats true just uh future ideas and he has no immunity to indirect magic so hit hard is definitely not something he can say no too. Blowing up his chest via enough blood and sympathetic magic he can ignore, force spells he can ignore well if they hit him directly, dropping a satellite like Ebenezer could do to him he couldn't ignore if he ever chose too. hes also you know better at everything the other white court members do even when starving and knows rituals.
 
I'm fairly sure even though no ones actually done it in the books that mr. raith is immune to hellfire well at least when done by mortals. Well his surroundings arent and he technically still needs to breathe he'd probably be fine though. its a good thing the asshole cripple is thralled.
 
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Two ways to handle Brawl.
Either get a telescoping baton. Or make a set of fingerless gloves with internal reinforcement.
That allows you to use Melee as the key ability in hand to hand.

Or you could go full Solar Hero Style, rip a leg off a chair, and go to town.
Or grab a ladder.
Bonus stunt points if you say"I dont want no trabble" :V
Yeah, but doesn't help if you're in a location where you can't get away with bringing a baton or the reinforced gloves, or for some reason don't have one.

As I said, it's not a 'get now' thing, but something I feel we should have eventually. If we have a few extra XP at some point. I mean, a single dot in Brawl with Molly's present attributes would make her better than a lot of people in hand to hand combat, and any deficiencies would be handled by the Excellency.
It's already been established that we can use the crown to win the Lottery exactly once should we wish to do so.
Could also ask for the location of any specific famous treasures or mines whose locations are presently unknown; Lost Dutchman and Lost Josephine Mines for example.

Five dots in Finance, along with an Excellency in same, and probably an Infernal charm that covers Bureaucracy, and you could make quite good money legally. Honestly, should probably get the five dots and Excellency anyway, just so you can set up long term investments

Both would require starting capital, but you can make that by... making art that sells for good cash.

Also, I would suggest Molly learns the Sorcery spells
Countermagic
Travel Without Distance
Summon Elemental
Death of Obsidian Butterflies
 
you know one thing dresden and some wizards actually have on us is endurance not in a fight mind you in their pools. Like how dresden throughout a book which usually is a few days to a week is seen throwing stuff out constantly over and over and recharges technically faster than us or well he pushes through whether through emotions pushing him, his own pool, his very soul, his life, etc etc. Exalted meanwhile can run out of juice in a like a couple minutes not that they aren't deadly even when pooped.
 
Yeah, but doesn't help if you're in a location where you can't get away with bringing a baton or the reinforced gloves, or for some reason don't have one.

As I said, it's not a 'get now' thing, but something I feel we should have eventually. If we have a few extra XP at some point. I mean, a single dot in Brawl with Molly's present attributes would make her better than a lot of people in hand to hand combat, and any deficiencies would be handled by the Excellency.

Could also ask for the location of any specific famous treasures or mines whose locations are presently unknown; Lost Dutchman and Lost Josephine Mines for example.

Five dots in Finance, along with an Excellency in same, and probably an Infernal charm that covers Bureaucracy, and you could make quite good money legally. Honestly, should probably get the five dots and Excellency anyway, just so you can set up long term investments

Both would require starting capital, but you can make that by... making art that sells for good cash.

Also, I would suggest Molly learns the Sorcery spells
Countermagic
Travel Without Distance
Summon Elemental
Death of Obsidian Butterflies
Exalted vs World of Darkness only has one Bureaucracy charm without homebrew for Infernals and its for sabotaging other peoples organizations.
Endless Torment Emanation (•••)
By interacting with one of its officers or agents, or
else touring its workplace, the Infernal directs the pow-
ers of Hell to confound and corrode the works of a bu-
reaucracy or project, cursing it to inefficiency and misery.
Tempers grow short, spirit-maggots eat important paper-
work when nobody's looking, and in general attempting
to get anything done becomes a sort of quiet torture.
System: The character can spend 3 Essence to tar-
get a specific office or project with terrible inefficiency
for the rest of the current story. Everyone involved in
pushing the project forward increases the difficulty of
all rolls to do so by +2. Additionally, if there's a cen-
tral location for the targeted bureau or project, it be-
comes a place of spiritual desolation while the Charm
remains in effect

Death of Obsidian Butterflies is the only Sorcery spell on that list we can get without homebrew too.
 
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Dresden is very powerful. But also very conflicted, his poor self worth makes his tech bane hit harder. But while Dresdens techbane is bad for his generation of wizards, older wizards can't even use much of any tech at all.
Not really true.
His grandfather is like three hundred years old, and he drives a Depression-era Ford truck and uses a double-barrelled shotgun no problem. Listens to Wind goes back to university every decade or so to update himself on the most modern medical procedures.

Dresden is just Dresden.

To hammer this in, Carlos Ramirez is only ten years younger than he is.
He still uses a semiautomatic just fine, and is generally more modern.
Meantime Harry used a revolver and drives a WW2 designed car.
The white council is severely hampered by being restricted to low tech options, particularly in the middle of the war. They would love to have some demon planes, and cell phone's.
No they wouldnt. It would be a critical vulnerability they have no leverage over.
They already have to rely on the goodwill of Winter and Summer for using the Ways across Faerie; adding another vulnerability is no bueno.

lol no no they wouldn't their still wary of anything not themselves and even themselves not to say they wouldn't take the deal. Also you know they have contacts who can use said things they just take time to get said information.
Not really.
They are wary of stuff that makes them reliant on external suppliers of unknown loyalties. They are at war, and in canon the Vampire War lasted a full decade. Communication security is an existential issue for them.

Now if Molly had a replicable technique for proofing modern tech that they could duplicate themselves and confirm was secure, they would fall all over themselves to buy or acquire it from her. But something that leaves them relying on an outsider for communications security is a hard no. And thats for damn good reason.

demon does not necessarily even need to be of the evil kind try fucking explaining that to the white council many members of which want to execute him already though.
The White Council does not actually sanction the use of demons for information by its members.
Note the signal lack of anything in the Seven Laws banning the use of demons. Its disreputable, and actual pacts are probably going to end up with you at the pointy end of a Wardens sword.

But summoning to bargain for information? Thats your problem as long as you dont break a Law.

Most of the anti tech tricks would stop working once we take control of the network. Would be a surprise for our enemies to suddenly have police raids on their safe houses.
And said police run into a bunch of ogres.
Or a scourge of Black Court vampires. Or a murder of phobophages.
Or a loup-garou.

Its been maybe five years since Special Investigations got MacFinn into custody, and Im sure they still talk about that evening to newbies. Do not send mortals into the face of supernatural opposition without knowledgeable backup.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but to my knowledge, white courts don't care about faith or holy symbols.
Until they fledge, they are basically human. Afterwords, they need to worry about thresholds and the bane of their particular clan. (for Raiths, this would be true love, for instance.)
Not that I think she's a White Court, but we may encounter them in the future.
Its not about vulnerability, its about values.
The sort of values that churches, mosques and other religious organizations are supposed to inculcate into attendees?
Kinda antithetical to any White Court patriarch that is hoping for his scion to fledge.
 
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Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Aug 11, 2022 at 2:01 PM, finished with 131 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Just go out and have fun
    -[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
    -[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
    [X] Ask a question of your Crown
    -[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
    [X] Just go out and have fun
    -[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
    [X] Ask a question of your Crown
    -[X] What is her worse secret?
    [X] Just go out and have fun
    [X] Just go out and have fun
    -[X] Make a probing joke that she is pretty like an elf. If she was a fairy she would tell us, right?
    [X] Ask a question of your Crown
    -[x] What are Lydias intentions for Daniel Carpenter?
    [X] Ask a question of your Crown
    -[X] "As things currently stand, in what way/ways is Lydia's relationship with my brother a potential danger to him or my other loved ones?"
 
Arc 1 Post 39: Arcade Adventures
Arcade Adventures

16th of July 2006 A.D.

As midnight comes and goes written in red neon in the clock above the door you struggle with temptation, with curiosity. It would be so easy to ask one of a dozen questions to pull on those nagging loose ends: 'What is Lydia;s heritage?' 'What secrets are being kept from her?' even 'What are her intentions towards your brother?' That last one sounds like you should be asking it with a shotgun propped up against the door and worse still what if her intentions are... amorous as Usum would put it. You definitely do not need to see that.

There is definitely something weird going on with the girl who seems to know at once too little and too much, but weird isn't enough to turn your sight on her you decide, not unless you have some sign that she is dangerous. "But what if her father has enemies, might they not endanger your brother?"

"That goes the other way as well,"
you counter. "Dad has some really bad enemies and God alone knows what enemies I've got."

For a moment the demon is silent then. "Can you be certain she would not take the chance were she is your place and you in hers?"

"No,"
you admit. "But if I were to only be principled to those who I know live up to some standard of purity, then that would not be very principled after all."

"Then principles seem to me to be an indulgence of those very mighty indeed,"
he replies at length.

You think to argue, but soon realize that you can't really argue someone into greater faith in mankind, not to mention that it is probably harder to do when the person in question is not part of mankind. Except maybe by proxy Usum is, he is a part of you and you're still human after all...

"Earth to Molly," Izzy's hand waving in front of your face starts you from your contemplation.

"We were talking about where to go now."

"The arcade, we can go to the Dancing Dragon, they are open all night," you answer instantly, much to your friend's shock. "Come on," you wheedle. "You heard Lydia, she barely knew what a video game was last year. I'm pretty sure that is some kind of heresy for a fifteen year old not to know..." You glance at the girl in question to see if you guessed the age right. It looks like you have.

Izzy gives a startled laugh. "Isn't that breaking a Commandment or something?" she asks after a moment.

"It's not the Lord's name," you shrug. "The last time we took every little concept about doctrine as seriously as that the Reformation happened."

Even though you are pretty sure dad would have smiled at that one and not even mom would have said anything Daniel looks a little ill at ease. It's not even that you crossed a line, he doesn't like to be in sight of the line. How's he gonna take that his girlfriend is probably related to dark fey?

"So... Dancing Dragon?" you ask again.

"Not the kind of dancing I had in mind," Izzy grumbles as she looks around in her purse for the cash.

You would cover the whole tab yourself, but you know from experience than unless you have an actual reason to treat people Izzy doesn't take 'handouts' well. Being 'the kid from the Projects' all her life left scars where you couldn't see.

Fortunately Lydia seems to notice the byplay and just hands over the money for her pizza and shake.

Whether it is Izzy noticing her noticing or just your friend being a big softie at heard she finally gives in.

***​

The Dancing Dragon is old, if someone told you the myopically blinking neon sign of the eponymous winged lizard was actually from the eighties you would believe them. Some of the stains on the off-off-green carpeting look older. The hall smells as much of cigarettes and booze as cheap candy. You never could tell if the old man at the door can't see teens sneaking said contraband or if he really doesn't care, What you do know for certain is that his son over by the jar of quarters really doesn't. Once on a dare you had tried exchanging a cigarette for quarters and he had taken it with an only slightly less bored expression than he did dollar bills.

So it is with marked lack of worry that you add a dash of vodka into the various no-longer-soft drinks you had gotten on the way. Daniel looks like he really wants to ask where you had it from. Truth be told you can't remember... Nelson might have given you the last refill two weeks ago, but you don't want to think about what Nelson had done and what you had done to him tonight.

Much more enjoyable to look at Daniel and Lydia having a stare-off over the flask. As a matter of fact you know your brother isn't quite so much of a boy-scout that he never drank and if Miss Cocktail Party Aficionado doesn't drink socially you'll eat the flask, but each of them is trying to look 'respectable' to the other and it's hilarious.

Finally it's her that breaks the stare, giving the flask a quick sniff before pouring a little into her... purple juice. You are not sure what that is. Pomegranate? Mildly weird.

Daniel does the same without the sniff to add a bit of zing to his coke.

You end up crushing everyone at Street Fighter, turns out actually hitting people with swords has a startling amout of crossover with fighting games where you have to manage wierd button presses. Supposedly back in the old days you had to memorize this stuff, but you all just googled it. Then you all end up playing Turkey Shoot just because of his silly it sounds. The real challenge of that game in your opinion is not collapsing laughing when the words 'Turkey Terminator' flash on screen. After that the high score for Speed Racer goes to Daniel prompting jokes about how he is ready for a car.

Through it all you watch Lydia to see how good she does... and the answer is pretty good, really good for someone who has never played an arcade game before, but nothing that even gets close to impossible

"That car is just slow, the red one is faster," Lydia insists as she comes out second again.

"It's just cosmetics... they aren't different," Daniel says.

"Red one's faster," she insists and then she takes red and wins.

After spending an indeterminately large pile of quarters and about four hours on the arcade you part ways in good cheer. Daniel helps Lydia into a cab and you head back towards home in another.

"Bye Lydia, see you around!" you say sincerely. The girl is strange and maybe tangled up in the supernatural, but she is also interesting with her reading old books in four languages.

From the looks she gives you as you exchange numbers you guess she feels much the same.

It occurs to you about halfway there that while you may have magic on your side getting out of there, you have none of it getting back in.. This is usually the part of the Disney Channel Original where the protagonist gets caught and learns a valuable lesson about honesty or something, you think confusing the heck out of Usum. Thankfully real life isn't directed by Disney just yet. You make it up the tree and through the house with no one the wiser through skill and luck and aten minutes after that you are back in bed with not a sign of any illicit outings in sight.



Arc One Complete

Triumphs
  1. Helped with the Red Court Ambush 3 XP
  2. Swayed Ebeneezar 1 XP
  3. Dealt with Gorfel and Company 4 XP
  4. Sniper Encounter 2 XP
  5. Gorfel Social Fu and investigation 2 XP
  6. Saved Tim Andrews 1 XP
  7. Duel with Michael 3 XP
  8. Night on the Town 2 XP
Banked XP: 2
Total XP: 20
You sleep and dream of secrets unraveled, secrets kept, the battles of blades and those of words. Whispers in a nameless tongue follow you into dreaming, the voice of the forgotten.

How does your power grow?
Plan Vote

[] +1 Appearance, with practice and with will you take on a guise less strange, less eerie 4 XP

[] Lessen Touch of Frost, rather than the killing frost your touch is merely cold, instead of killing plants your prorogued ministrations can at most wilt them 5XP

[] +1 Essence Gives two more motes to cap; May spent 2 Essence in one round; unlocks Shintai form 8 XP

[] Lanka Charm: By Rage Recast (••): Gives you access to another Shintai Aspect in your human form 6 XP

[] Kakuri Charm: Bloodless Murk Evasion (•••): Allows Shadow teleportation including to reflexively avoid all but holy attacks 9 XP

[] Kakuri Charm: False Springs Beckckon (•••) Allows you to suspect the torments of those who serve you, including the derangement caused the use of by Black Magic 9 XP

[] Wicked City Charm: Hollow Mind Possession (••): Invest a dark spirit in a into a smart device within line of sight, awakening it into an AI subject of your power within the limits of the device. Can be permanent with enough successes 4 XP

[] The Hell of Boiling Oil Charms Charm: Charred Sinner Renewal (•) : Regain Essence and Heal much faster when immersed in toxic liquids; Immunity to the harmful effects of such liquids when immersed 4 XP

[] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Demonic Primacy of Essence (•): Lesser Creatures of Darkness recognize your dread majesty making it easier to sway them. All social rolls with such beings reduced by 2. 4 XP

[] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••): Grant the prayers of any who would cast their wishes in the wind and in exchange if you should wish demand obediance

[] Ancient Sorcery Spell [Will be Gained when next you sleep] Calling the Calibration Gate: Opens a gate to the Nevernever, be it to the realms of the fey, the underworld or the Hells at the infernal command. Alternatively can be used to open a gate from any of these realms to the mortal world. No lesser power may bar the gate, though they can of course send their hosts to try and hold it more conventionally 10 XP

[] Ancient Sorcery Spell [Will be Gained when next you sleep] Disguise of the New Face: Perfectly transform the subject (which can be the caster) into the likeness of another used during the spell. This is not glamor that can be disbelieved or broken, but physical transformation including such elements as fingerprints, retinas and even DNA as long as the spell lasts 10 XP

[] Ancient Sorcery Spell [Will be Gained when next you sleep] Emerald Spirit Binding: Bind a spirit to your service for a year and a day, if a spirit has been recently defeated in battle it may not resist. A sorcerer may have spirits bound equal to her essence rating. 10 XP

[] Ancient Sorcery Spell [Will be Gained when next you sleep] Mists of Eventide: Conjure fog that brings forth enchanted slumber. Willpower difficulty 9 to resist 10 XP

[] Ancient Sorcery Spell [Will be Gained when next you sleep] Sapphire Ritual of Exorcism: Over the course of ten minutes banish any possessing spirit or power from its victim/host. Not even the Fallen may resist the mandala of absolute reality 10 XP

[] Write in (Rules for XP spending can be found on the character sheet)

OOC:The reason night on the town got you 2 XP was one for not getting caught, stealth is really not your strong suit and one for making a new friend.
 
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Not really true.
His grandfather is like three hundred years old, and he drives a Depression-era Ford truck and uses a double-barrelled shotgun no problem. Listens to Wind goes back to university every decade or so to update himself on the most modern medical procedures.

Dresden is just Dresden.

No they wouldnt. It would be a critical vulnerability they have no leverage over.
They already have to rely on the goodwill of Winter and Summer for using the Ways across Faerie; adding another vulnerability is no bueno.


Not really.
They are wary of stuff that makes them reliant on external suppliers of unknown loyalties. They are at war, and in canon the Vampire War lasted a full decade. Communication security is an existential issue for them.

Now if Molly had a replicable technique for proofing modern tech that they could duplicate themselves and confirm was secure, they would fall all over themselves to buy or acquire it from her. But something that leaves them relying on an outsider for communications security is a hard no. And thats for damn good reason.


The White Council does not actually sanction the use of demons for information by its members.
Note the signal lack of anything in the Seven Laws banning the use of demons. Its disreputable, and actual pacts are probably going to end up with you at the pointy end of a Wardens sword.

But summoning to bargain for information? Thats your problem as long as you dont break a Law.


And said police run into a bunch of ogres.
Or a scourge of Black Court vampires. Or a murder of phobophages.
Or a loup-garou.

Its been maybe five years since Special Investigations got MacFinn into custody, and Im sure they still talk about that evening to newbies. Do not send mortals into the face of supernatural opposition without knowledgeable backup.

Its not about vulnerability, its about values.
The sort of values that churches, mosques and other religious organizations are supposed to inculcate into attendees?
Kinda antithetical to any White Court patriarch that is hoping for his scion to fledge.
I mean they'd still take the deal to have it just probably not widely use it especially if we literally tell them the downsides and tell them here just use it for google and know that I can see what you look up. They wouldn't use it very often though.

also yeah don't send normal cops at supernatural shit most of the time. It'd still be very very useful for us and friends.

also they do have contacts and such its just not very reliable cause their cagey about it and their usually contact adjacent like venatori and so not THEIR people. They do exist though.

also white court technically I could see some of the less lust associated ones associating with churches if only to fuck shit up like cause lynchings in the past to work up fear stuff like that. Probably not common though.
 
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[] +1 Appearance, with practice and with will you take on a guise less strange, less eerie

[] Lessen Touch of Frost, rather than the killing frost your touch is merely cold, instead of killing plants your prorogued ministrations can at most wilt them
Are these supposed to have an XP cost, or do we get one as an arc freebie, or what?
[] Kakuri Charm: False Springs Beckckon (•••) Allows you to suspect the torments of those who serve you, including the derangement caused the use of by Black Magic 9 HP
Surely that should be 9 XP.
[] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••): Grant the prayers of any who would cast their wishes in the wind and in exchange if you should wish demand obediance
Also missing XP?
 
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I mean they'd still take the deal to have it just probably not widely use it especially if we literally tell them the downsides and tell them here just use it for google and know that I can what you look up. They wouldn't use it very often though.

also yeah don't send normal cops at supernatural shit most of the time. It'd still be very very useful for us and friends.
also they do have contacts and such its just not very reliable cause their cagey about it and their usually contact adjacent like venatori and so not THEIR people. They do exist though.

also white court technically I could see some of the less lust associated ones associating with churches if only to fuck shit up like cause lynchings in the past to work up fear stuff like that. Probably not common though.
No they would not.

If Molly could be coerced or bribed into passing on details of their communications to the Reds they would all die.
Wizards are called the Wise for a reason. Information dominance is their thing.
They arent going to risk it for more convenience.
 
[x] The Hell of Burrowing Maggots Charm: Verdant Emptiness Endowment (•••••): Grant the prayers of any who would cast their wishes in the wind and in exchange if you should wish demand obediance

This is just such a good charm.
 
No they would not.

If Molly could be coerced or bribed into passing on details of their communications to the Reds they would all die.
Wizards are called the Wise for a reason. Information dominance is their thing.
They arent going to risk it for more convenience.
they don't have to use it for communications though. they can use it to download shit or just plain not use it. Like its useful when they have to google whatever the fuck other factions are talking about it doesn't have to be used for communications at all and can be used when desperate.
 
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they don't have to use it for communications though. they can use it to download shit or just plain not use it.
That is stuff they can already do.
Hire a secretary and have them use the computer and a printer. Bind a fae to do it, or a spirit of knowledge, since neither have issues with techbane. Hell, build a golem and program it.

The problem isnt accessing modern tech, its convenience.
Every major WC center has working phone lines, but Wardens cant use radios in the field. They can take trains cross country, but are too paranoid to take planes. So on.
 
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That is stuff they can already do.
Hire a secretary and have them use the computer and a printer. Bind a fae to do it, or a spirit of knowledge, since neither have issues with techbane. Hell, build a golem and program it.

The problem isnt accessing modern tech, its convenience.
Every major WC center has working phone lines, but Wardens cant use radios in the field.
So on.
yeah they can't really get that shit real time though it can take days to get that information back. They'd probably get it fast if they had minor minor talents working with the wizards. even then there is no way any modern tech will work in their headquarters EVER.

Edit: They could maybe get telegraphs?
 
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