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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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OctarineShrike said:
[x]Approach theme 1: You can't do normal magic any more but you don't need black magic induced madness to go mad with power, it just helps and you still have power as the dead outsider demonstrates.
-[x]Approach Theme 2: Rosie didn't deserve what you did, and even if you could theoretically fix it, that would likely open up other ethical issues/rub salt on the wound.
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I don't really understand why this is a good thing to bring up?

If it was about demonstrating remorse fully, then why bring up we still can go mad with power?

If its about appealing to the Council why bring up an ethical issue where they think there wouldn't be one, when the Senior Council is going to be WP 9-10 super stuck in their ideas, and maybe even to a semi-religious level as Harry?
 
[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
 
[X]Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today

The red court is full of assholes, and the white council could use the help.

Plus the loot should be good, and we have an empty crafting budget in need of filling.
 
[X]Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
 
Valkhir said:
I don't really understand why this is a good thing to bring up?

If it was about demonstrating remorse fully, then why bring up we still can go mad with power?

If its about appealing to the Council why bring up an ethical issue where they think there wouldn't be one, when the Senior Council is going to be WP 9-10 super stuck in their ideas, and maybe even to a semi-religious level as Harry?
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Because we're not talking to the full council right now. We're talking to Ebenezar. The Blackstaff. The one who gave Harry insight into why to use magic. Ebenezar has a similar status to us in that he can use black magic without the insanity and has done so. By claiming we're not part of council jurisdiction, we're saying we're like him and if we don't recognize the gravitas of that he'd probably kill us on principle before we got too strong to stop without overwhelming casualties if it could be done.
 
[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
 
[X] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
 
[] Simply that you are not a danger and that you can no longer wield mortal sorcery and thus not under the mandate of the Seven Laws
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The Flaw in this one is simple. It's already been established by Harry that this is a questionable defense that probably won't stand on its own. Claiming to not be dangerous rings hollow/like a critical failure of self awareness when we've demonstrated the power to kill outsiders.

[] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
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If this is the only thing we're willing to say in our own defense it sounds like we're trying to bribe Ebenezar/the council by saying we're too valuable to kill. Just because Ebenezar is willing to walk in the gray doesn't mean he has no ideals but pragmatism for the council's interests.

They're both flawed and a third option is needed.
 
DragonParadox said:
While binding your own demons into such bodies would be entirely safe because they are not just yours but aspects of your own soul doing the same to foreign spirits might have adverse effects particularly on the resurrection mechanic. What would happen if you allowed a clone to be turned into a vampire or something is firmly in 'try and find out' territory of esoteric interactions.
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Restoring the spell Imbue Amalgam seems both faster and more useful. When it comes to empowering the clones. Thou when I read that charm the thing that most stands out to me, is having the clones study a subject for you, even if it took a few years free dots in skills good.
 
This clone stuff feels like a bad idea to me. I don't really like the idea of needing to be responsible for brand new people, who are only as good at taking care of themselves as Molly would be without any supernatural abilities or real life experience.

The resurrection mechanism is pretty nasty too; you've basically got to plan the cold blooded murder of someone closer to you than even a twin could ever be to bring yourself back to life.

OctarineShrike said:
If this is the only thing we're willing to say in our own defense it sounds like we're trying to bribe Ebenezar/the council by saying we're too valuable to kill. Just because Ebenezar is willing to walk in the gray doesn't mean he has no ideals but pragmatism for the council's interests.
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To be fair it isn't the only line of argument likely to be made here, just the one we're contributing.

Harry knows we can't use mortal sorcery any more, and Micheal just brought word from the Archangel Uriel of all people that we're not an elaborate diabolic plot or something.

We can try to cover everything ourselves, but I don't think demonstrating our desire to fight the monsters that go bump in the night on grounds because they're horrible monsters that need stopped is a bad play.

If nothing else it shows a willingness to put ourselves in a position where they can learn more about Molly and see for themselves that she isn't a power mad warlock.

With the right presentation I think the bribe angle can be downplayed enough to not be a problem.
 
BronzeTongue said:
This clone stuff feels like a bad idea to me. I don't really like the idea of needing to be responsible for brand new people, who are only as good at taking care of themselves as Molly would be without any supernatural abilities or real life experience.

The resurrection mechanism is pretty nasty too; you've basically got to plan the cold blooded murder of someone closer to you than even a twin could ever be to bring yourself back to life.
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A clone would have all of your skills so there is that as for the resurrection mechanic if you put them in stasis instantly it is hard to argue you are killing anyone since all that they are you are... including the choice to make the clone.
 
Valkhir said:
Alright, its not much but I am going to have to be satisfied with 4 clones of ourself with 5 Dex 5 Firearms (or Dex 5 Melee 5 or Brawl 5) using fully automatic rifles to escort us and help us preserve motes from using it on chaff. Plus one respawn point.
Its not much, but its acceptable. Luxury Charm at E5.

Edit: Yeah with the above clarification this is mook squad on demand Charm. Wouldnt trust sympathetic links out of our sight this good.

Edit: In Exalted this Charm was good if you somehow knew Throne Shadow Style which uses shadow-fingers, trained mortals as weapons as they act as your soldiers and you could use this for that.
Without that its not great.
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Backup self in stasis in your own private hell in case you die and need a respawn point without losing Essence.

And its worth buying for its signature effect on your Shintai alone, since it means whenever you go Shintai you automatically spawn your own temporary miniboss squad of supernaturals with your base enhancements as long as your warform is active.
 
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uju32 said:
And its worth buying for its signature effect on your Shintai alone, since it means whenever you go Shintai you automatically spawn your own temporary miniboss squad of supernaturals with your base enhancements as long as your warform is active.
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Does it come with equipment, though? Since they have no supernatural powers they wouldnt get our Demon Weapon.
 
While clone shenanigans would be fun, that would be pretty expensive considering it's a 5dot charm outside our specialties. If we wanted minions we'd probably be better off with using the Lanka training charm.
 
Valkhir said:
Does it come with equipment, though? Since they have no supernatural powers they wouldnt get our Demon Weapon.
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Clones of the Infernal's normal form.
You can simply have them spawn with demonic Aspects active.
And as you spawn Essence clones upon Shintai activation, at minimum you have two of them.
 
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[X] Offer to help in the Council's war. You managed to kill one of those things, and apparently that's a big deal... and it wasn't particularly difficult for you. All you're saying is - you want to help, and you think the Council needs that help, at least when it comes to fighting whatever those were.
 
zxzx24 said:
People survive extreme chemical burns, intense flame, electrocution.
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Ah yes but with Nuclear fire they either die to something equal in heat output to the surface temperature of the sun or they die to the horrible cancer and radiation poisoning.
I'm not saying that they'll die instantly like the charm says but I don't think the person will survive for more than a month due to the cancer without magical healing at least.
Also note I'm not talking about wizards or other practitioners either because they could probably stave it off for some time, but it will still cripple them.
 
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CorruptedKing said:
Ah yes but with Nuclear fire they either die to something equal in heat output to the surface temperature of the sun or they die to the horrible cancer and radiation poisoning.
I'm not saying that they'll die instantly like the charm says but I don't think the person will survive for more than a month due to the cancer without magical healing at least.
Also note I'm not talking about wizards or other practitioners either because they could probably stave it off for some time, but it will still cripple them.
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Cant Radiation also be used to treat certain cancers? :V
 
Valkhir said:
Well, yes.

But the prescribed treatments are usually not "stand in this fire thats actually from a Hell trying its best to dream of the platonic ideal of nuclear annihilation after witnessing what it can do to humans."
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Listen.

Ligier could totally stab someone and cure their cancer with radiation therapy.

Which means we could too!

They might even survive it afterwards :V
 
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There is even a charm for it. Literally called "Merciless Radiation Therapy"

Homebrew but well....

Touching the patient, the Infernal floods their chakras with the hateful essence of Malfeas. This malign power destroys any lesser sickness afflicting a servant of the King. This Charm instantly cures any disease with a Morbidity less than or equal to the Charisma of the Infernal by infecting the patient with a variant of Green Sun Wasting. This infection has a Virulence equal to (Infernal's Essence/2, rounding up).
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DragonParadox said:
A Meeting and a Message
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Probably not a good idea to sheathe your sword without a warning given that it looks like stabbing yourself in your heart.
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Eh.Given a little experience she should be able to stunt it as appearing and disappearing at will without formalized physical motions to sheathing in her heart.

-I dont think it was a coincidence that the spymaster of Heaven arranged for the White Council's Blackstaff to overhear that a Knight of the Cross had received explicit reassurances about his daughter's entanglement with an Infernal Exaltation.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, Uriel. We owe you one.

-Given how difficult it is to hide an anima flare, one wonders if McCoy is hiding the anima flare itself, or just making it impossible to distinguish the source.

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[] Simply that you are not a danger and that you can no longer wield mortal sorcery and thus not under the mandate of the Seven Laws

[] Offer to help as you can in the war the Council is fighting, you have no qualms that the Red Court is an evil that must be defeated at all costs after what you have seen today
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Hmm.
The first option is probably not true, since I suspect she can learn how to wield Dresdenverse magic just fine, just without the same limitations that vanilla mortals do, and more like say the Fae.

The second, while plausible for a teenager, is still unwise for someone who just Exalted.

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[X] Simply that you are not a danger and that you can no longer wield mortal sorcery and thus not under the mandate of the Seven Laws

She's definitely a Danger in general, but she's not a danger by the letter or spirit of any of the Council's Seven Laws.
At least, thats the argument she should be making.
And she has the Charisma and Manipulation to make it stick.

Unfortunately, Peabody is still undercover in the White Council.
So any report that Dresden or McCoy makes to the Senior Council is going straight to Nemesis and the Black Council.
 
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