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A World of Mud and Sweat - A Future Nation Development Quest

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[X] Plan: Steady Forward
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Reprisal; an eye for an eye. The Egyptian state will not tolerate hostile action. Another warlord joins the pyre.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
 
[X] Plan: A Bright Future
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
-[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.

@Dadarian, wrote up this as a means of getting funds, considering this "Boasting some of the highest employment rates, the Egyptian people are richer than they've been in modern history.", we should be able to raise a good amount of money. What do yoy think?
 
[X] Plan: A Bright Future
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
-[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.
 
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[X] Plan: A Bright Future
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
-[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.
 
[X] Plan: A Bright Future
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
-[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.
 
I really don't recommend escalating the war and occupying Libya. We shouldn't move the post on war goals. Do a repirasal, finish cleaning up what we came to do, get out.
 
There's a non-zero chance that we generate support from a significant fraction of the population in an upcoming election for defending our country.

The patriot bonds element of a Bright Future plan is quite clever.

Elections are a non-starter, we have a democratic mandate and if we throw that away for temporary security in control that's a slippery slope to authoritarianism.

Parzival95 said:
I really don't recommend escalating the war and occupying Libya. We shouldn't move the post on war goals. Do a repirasal, finish cleaning up what we came to do, get out.
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Reprisal
Pros: Quick and easy
Cons: We literally just did this and to do the same thing multiple times and expect a different outcome is not only crazy but also self-sabotage. We'd also be creating a power vacuum for another warlord to walk into.

Occupation
Pros: We're securing uncontrolled warlord territory. Based on the update, the land was home to specifically warlords and pirates.
Cons: An argument for overextension can be made, but there is the desert buffer. Libya is largely desert with coastal and oasis settlements. If we can secure air superiority, we have nothing to worry about.
 
[X] Plan: A Bright Future
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
-[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.
 
[X] Plan: A Bright Future
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
-[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.
 
[X] Plan: A Bright Future
-[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
-[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
-[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
-[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.
 

Scheduled vote count started by Dadarian on Apr 22, 2021 at 11:30 PM, finished with 23 posts and 19 votes.
  • [X] Plan: A Bright Future
    -[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
    -[X] Occupation; the peace will be kept in Libya from Tobruk on East by the barrel of Egyptian guns.
    -[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
    -[X] Issue "Patriot Bonds", in order to raise money for the project. 10 year bonds with a reasonably high interest rate.
    [X] Plan: Steady Forward
    -[X] Yes; it is needed to further strengthen our mandate.
    -[X] Reprisal; an eye for an eye. The Egyptian state will not tolerate hostile action. Another warlord joins the pyre.
    -[X] Seek friendly foreign funding. Although tying ourselves to [India] may be embarrassing, it will pay for the project for a couple years.
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2078; The Siege of Tobruk
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    • The Siege of Tobruk
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    Overview: A revolutionary state, borne on the wings of the common citizen, demands popular legitimacy. An election would do just that, although the timing was at the behest of the President. Earlier would mean no preparation by any sides, but later could allow any chicanery one could dream. But the reality of an oncoming election meant that the lens of all actions were altering, from a revolutionary state to a democratic(ish) one. This brought new light onto recent actions, both popular and unpopular. Social media sites began to bubble with information, misinformation, counter-misinformation, domestic propaganda, foreign propaganda, and all the chittering chattering of free thinking peoples. The first news to hit the rapidly expanding socialverse cloud was the financial push of the government.

    Seeking to seize upon a wave of revolutionary fervor, the President himself, via a loquacious telespeech, announced a Patriot Bond campaign. Available in 2-, 5-, 10-, and 20- year bonds, the masses quickly took to it with gusto seeking to fund the success of the nation both in the short and the long term. Proud citizens engaged in "Bond Parties", where funds were raised from the community to buy Patriot Bonds. What's more, this brought in the otherwise disenchanted middle class into the modern political arena, as they began to finance Patriot Bonds as a stable investment in an unstable world. That was before internet sub-groups, both progressive-Western left and fringe-finance, took notice. Soon, international crowdfunds, private slush funds, and high-finance gamblers began to assemble outside the financial gates of New Cairo, and the government needed to make a decision whether to approve or decline private foreign investments. Regardless of the foreign decision, the Patriot Bonds themselves had already paid for the next year of public worksites, by which it would be a post-electoral issue.

    This success was unexpected, to such an extent that the realities of Patriot Bonds would only be apparent following the signing of a major loan from the Republic of India. Widely applauded within the UN as a stabilizing influence to the 'insecure' Egyptian state, the Indian loan provided massive liquid funds and thoroughly invigorated all aspects of the government. Egypt was flush with cash, part of which was used to buy weaponry from places, such as India, as the Tobruk Incident had heated up.

    Having dealt with a generation of petty Libyan raids, President El-Harar said enough was enough. The modern Egyptian military would see a trial by fire, and flushed with Indian funds it would have the bullets, rockets, and shells it needed. An early morning dronestrike was followed by mobile cavalry landings at key infrastructure junctions to the city. Airstrikes soon followed, blowing up elements of Tobruk Harbour and what few warlord naval craft there were. A general advance occurred midmorning. This is where the delicate plans of the relative neophyte General Staff imploded. The warlord of Tobruk had been planning his defense for years, and had an arsenal of desperation. IEDs were plentiful, carefully hoarded munitions were expended without second thought, and a pair of ancient T-55s which were carefully built into secure locations. All in all, the expected one day blitz took eight days of tense, door-to-door fighting. Some 200 Egyptians were dead, and 800 wounded during the Siege of Tobruk. It made international headlines due to the brutal fighting, being compared to the final Battle of Luhansk in 2044 when elements of the European Joint Military assisted the Ukraine in finally crushing it's wayward Eastern provinces. Interestingly, no serious discussion occurred in the UN, likely due to the universal dislike of warlord Egypt. Indeed, the Italian delegation of the EU allocated several naval craft from their section of the European Joint Navy to assist in the rebuilding and humanitarian work in and around Tobruk.

    With the city secured, the entire band of warlords on the Egyptian border had fallen. Egyptian uniforms were acting as ad-hoc peacekeepers, military police, and administrators as once again the region was without any semblance of authority. The social media gossip began to gurgle and boil, with unflattering comparisons to the eternal peacekeeping campaign in Yemen. This was astutely picked up by those that sought to wrest control from the President, and domestic discussion began to rise. Answers were being asked for. What was Egypt's purpose with the occupation?

    Vote: [Voting will start in 12 hours; or ~09:45 2021-04-30]

    When will Egypt hold an election?
    [ ] Immediately (next turn).
    [ ] After some required planning (2 turns).
    [ ] The infrastructure needs to be developed (3 turns).
    [ ] Uhhh (4+ turns).

    Allowance of foreign private investors to the Patriot Bonds?
    [ ] Yes; private investors are a massive source of income to be exploited investigated.
    [ ] No; foreign influence must be curtailed when dealing with any section of state finances, even public bonds.

    The Tobruk Plan Outline
    [ ] - Annexation; a new province for Egypt.
    [ ] - Nation Building; stability begins with the establishment of peace, order, and good government.
    [ ] - Peace Keeping; the Libyan people will do what they want, but Egyptian arms will keep the peace.
    [ ] - Exploitation; Egyptian funds expended will be repaid by new solar energy banks and tariffs out of Tobruk Harbour.
     
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    • [ ] Immediately (next turn).
    [ ] No; foreign influence must be curtailed when dealing with any section of state finances, even public bonds.
    [ ] - Nation Building; stability begins with the establishment of peace, order, and good government.
     
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    [ ] Immediately (next turn).
    [ ] No; foreign influence must be curtailed when dealing with any section of state finances, even public bonds.
    [ ] - Annexation; a new province for Egypt.
     
    [x] Immediately (next turn).
    [x] No; foreign influence must be curtailed when dealing with any section of state finances, even public bonds.
    [x] - Peace Keeping; the Libyan people will do what they want, but Egyptian arms will keep the peace.

    We promised elections this year so we'd best have them and avoid overstaying our welcome and letting people roll out the dictatorship accusation. Particularly since we've made a lot of unpopular choices...

    We seem to be flush with cash for now and already beholden to India, I think our people would be rather miffed that they have contributed to these bonds to have their own personal stake in the country only for us to immediately go hat in hand to foreign investors and their influence when we're already somewhat well-financed.

    Lastly, this whole Libyan invasion thing has appeared like something of a boondoggle. Annexing or looting give tinpot dictatorship vibes. Nation building is something that we really ought to focus on in Egypt before attempting with Libya, very expensive and difficult endeavor to undertake while we've got a lot on our plate at home.

    I think peace-keeping is the best action. Broadly unobjectionable, minimizes our own presence, basically keep the area in trust until we can hand it off to a clear winner (or a warlord that seems more amenable to our interests if we want to play it risky) and dust our hands of it. Still a lot of chance of scandal and for things to go wrong.
     
    I guess we will have to go to elections, and I really would not mind receiving foreign patronage eventually they will be conquered and I will stop being a foreigner. And I think I have already established my vision for Libya, ful anex. I will vote when the moratorium ends that as the time changes are a mess, it will be when the established time passes from the time that says the entry was published.
     
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