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A World of Mud and Sweat - A Future Nation Development Quest

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[X] Plan: Domestic Survival mk2
-[X] Covert support; Ahmed is willing to work with us, let us supply him with weapons and advisors.
-[X] Write In: Meanwhile, push onwards in eastern Libya towards Benghazi after the weather has cleared, securing the entirety of historical Cyrenaica for our sister republic.
-[X] Write In: Arrest them, put them on a show trial and sentence them to Community Service. Basicly their old jobs with no salary but with food and shelter provided for themselves and their families.
-[X] Close all trade; We will not risk the lifeblood of the Egyptian breadbasket.
-[X] Close all travel; better safe than sorry.
-[X] Yes; we desire the trade and showing Egyptian ingenuity.
-[X] Write In: Give Stimulus, Construction, and Welfare projects to help the poor, as it seems with the cracks that are shown from the Sinai Affair that our poor have not yet benefited from our growing economy

I believe it's very important that we pursue trade with MERCOSUR. Unlike other powers, MERCOSUR doesn't really compete at all with us geopolitically. We need to diversify our trade and international connections in case we run aground with nearby powers like the EU, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia.

Meanwhile, we should press the advantage and secure our flanks by taking Benghazi. Not only will it cement our control over historical Cyrenaica, it will serve as a means to establish a contiguous land border with a future friendly state in Tripoli. Also, it will give our sister republic a larger economic base, as currently afaik it doesn't have any large major cities within its borders.
 
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Huh, these are some great points.


I'll have to unvote for my plan then.

Edit to not db: [X] Plan: Domestic Survival mk2

Gotta vote just cause you have a Huey Long av.
 
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With reservations about making people who were corrupt due to lack of opportunity less opportunity while maintaining their roles at government offices...

[X] Plan: Domestic Survival mk2
 
Adhoc vote count started by Rolen von Keng on May 26, 2021 at 7:30 PM, finished with 13 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Domestic Survival mk2
    -[X] Covert support; Ahmed is willing to work with us, let us supply him with weapons and advisors.
    -[X] Write In: Meanwhile, push onwards in eastern Libya towards Benghazi after the weather has cleared, securing the entirety of historical Cyrenaica for our sister republic.
    -[X] Write In: Arrest them, put them on a show trial and sentence them to Community Service. Basicly their old jobs with no salary but with food and shelter provided for themselves and their families.
    -[X] Close all trade; We will not risk the lifeblood of the Egyptian breadbasket.
    -[X] Close all travel; better safe than sorry.
    -[X] Yes; we desire the trade and showing Egyptian ingenuity.
    -[X] Write In: Give Stimulus, Construction, and Welfare projects to help the poor, as it seems with the cracks that are shown from the Sinai Affair that our poor have not yet benefited from our growing economy
    [X] Domestic Survival
    -[X] Covert support; Ahmed is willing to work with us, let us supply him with weapons and advisors.
    -[X] Write In: Arrest them, put them on a show trial and sentence them to Community Service. Basicly their old jobs with no salary but with food and shelter provided for themselves and their families.
    -[X] Close all trade; We will not risk the lifeblood of the Egyptian breadbasket.
    -[X] Close all travel; better safe than sorry.
    -[X] No; but we cannot let the Amazon stay as it is forever, arrange the project without the trade.
    -[X] Write In: Give Stimulus, Construction, and Welfare projects to help the poor, as it seems with the cracks that are shown from the Sinai Affair that our poor have not yet benefited from our growing economy
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2079; Libya in Turmoil
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    • Libya in Turmoil
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    Overview: With the neo-Gaddafists flying in retreat, Egyptian High Command had decided to gather in a secret meeting along with the President. What was to be done about the nascent Cyrenaicans was the topic, and passions quickly rose as a result. Some argued that the Cyrenaican experiment was already paying dividends to the Egyptian people as border raids were virtually eliminated this year (the sole raid so far having crossed the mud seas from Tuaregia and resulted in no injuries). Others argued that it already represented a drain on resources, as each death represented a new family moving into opposition, and each round spent threatening to tumble Egypt's precariously balanced budget. Thankfully, the President had his own vision to garner the approval of both sides. What was needed was a stronger Cyrenaica, a neighbour no longer dependent to Egypt, but a willing partner and ally against terrorism. Cyrenaica needed to be expanded and enhanced, a buffer as in times long past. Those generals which disagreed were keen enough to keep their careers as to stay silent, and the Egyptian military continued their Libyan expedition.

    When the time came that the generals thought the ground suitably dry, the motorized contingent was ready. In the exceedingly early hours, still under the cover of darkness, they left their placements near Tobruk heading west and southwest. Humble desert dwellers awoke to the rumbling of engines and the smell of motor oil and burning ozone. The Adam-Albidhan highway was secured with barely a sweat, with an additional squadron taking the rather interesting location of the Brega Seaport, located near the floodable Sabkhat Guzayyil. Warlord-aligned troops awoke in Derna then Bayda to bombing runs, tactical drone missile deployments, and Egyptian soldiers. Whilst Derna held thanks to the fierce actions of their defenders, Bayda quickly fell and Egyptian approached the Eastern edges of the Benghazi. As the minutes turned to hours and reports came to the Presidential desk, something dawned to El-Harar. The Warlords of Benghazi were not aligned with the neo-Gaddafists of Tobruk. The fleeing column, having sped past Benghazi and found themselves cut off at Berga, fought with Benghazi troops and turned the residential town of Sultan into a battlefield. Egypt had de-facto opened a second Libyan front.

    Thankfully, the Egyptian secret services provided much needed relief. Colonel Mahmud Ahmed, the fiesty Gaddafist, found his revolt suddenly armed with weaponry from coming in from fishing vessels, via camel train, and across the Mud Seas. The neo-Gaddafists were embroiled in an ideological civil war, with Tripoli exploding into violence. Egyptian advisors, smuggled in, reported that the fanaticism of both sides had led to incredibly bloody and destructive warfare that could last for months. Video of housing blocks, having been turned into impenetrable flak-towers, were forcibly demolished in order to make headway.

    These videos, combined with an EU naval vessel catching a fishing boat with unmarked weapons, brought forth international condemnation. An emergency meeting of the UN Security Council was called. It was not a long meeting. All members found it appropriate to call on a resolution delineating the complete embargo of all arms sales to or from the former borders of the Republic of Libya. Further, the Saudi representative from their non-permanent UNSC delegation was leaked as having argued for including Egypt in the embargo due to it's "blatant aggression in Libya, along with the disruption of the peaceful coexistence developed between the various warlord." This was vetoed by the EU representative.

    Egyptian soldiers swept in through the suburbs, where the citizens boarded up their windows and prayed. The Benghazi Warlord, having been risen from his bed finally in a stupor, had sent his forces out. The clashes finally began, as streets turned into shooting galleries. But it was obvious that, unlike that wily devil in Tobruk, this warlord was not expecting any serious opposition from the East. Reports from the frontlines indicated that the fighting was growing more and more desperate in Sultan, as the bulk of the Benghazi armed forces were seemingly deployed to wipe out the neo-Gaddafists. The Battle of Sultan, though a sideshow for the actions to the North, would be the largest pitched battle since the Battle of Misrata. Willfully or not, the Battle of Sultan entirely ignored the Egyptians that surrounded it, drawing to a close only as what few neo-Gaddafists were left surrendered to Egyptian line. The numbers weren't necessary to understand this was a horrific engagement around some town with little to no strategic or symbolic value. As the Egyptians moved north from Brega, the colonel in charge of the movement stopped, and turned the bulk of troops to humanitarian efforts in the region.

    Luckily those troops were far from needed, as Egyptian troops would link up a little over a week later. With the bulk of the forces engaged at Sultan, the Fifth Battle of Benghazi was more of a prolonged rear-guard action by warlord troops. Benghazi itself fell after only four days of fighting, capitulating when the Warlord himself was killed via a drone strike. Though fighting continued in Derna, which seemed content to fight a seemingly impossible war, the Cyrenaican state was finally united. Tobrukan troops began patrolling the streets as the mechanisms and institutions of state were established. Although victorious, Cyrenaica had generations of work to do. Even while Tripoli still burned and the Mud Seas seem forever lost to the Libyan coasts. But, perhaps, there was hope. If given the time, perhaps a truly peaceful society will develop. Perhaps. But with an increasing amount of aid flooding in from Europe, America, and China, Cyrenaica seemed determine to make an effort this time.

    (The update was much bigger than initially expected, so I broke it into bits. More to come. Sorry for the delay, I moved again lol)
     
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    • So Quest!Egypt managed to do something the US couldn't and unify a country without it descending into something worse, at least so far, which is quite impressive.
     
    2079; Of Houses and Deeds
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    • Of Houses and Deeds
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    Overview: The discovery of the widespread corruption of the lower classes in regards to the Sinai Scandal was in and of itself another scandal. Crimes were being conducted on a systematic level due to the rise of urban-working poverty (as opposed to urban-unemployed poverty) within public service. The cabinet and President were all but unified in their decision, something had to be done. Through a litany of Presidential pronouncements, action was decided. Police were sent out daily into governmental buildings, hauling men and women from their offices and bullpens. Certain floors were entirely cleared out in some locales, having not fully recovered from the elimination of loyalists, lackies, and the overtly corrupt the year before. The first real protests against El-Harar's government took place in reaction, as on the fifth day of arrests over ten thousand family members to those who were dismissed or arrested complained of government overreach. They were joined by hundreds of pacifists and families of lost soldiers, who deepened the complexity of the protest by carving their own anti-war section. This gathering of dissent, held in El-Harar Square (formerly el-Sisi Square), would last only a day. However the inspiration of this protest would seem to ignite passions, as through the Trials nearly one thousand people created an anti-government protest camp within the Square. Thusly as the Trials continued, El-Harar would only have to look out his window from the presidential palace to see the squatting protestors.

    The Show Trials, aptly named due to their public display across social media (and by their detractors for their lack of fairness), took weeks. Even at their most streamlined, where entire teams were jointly judged, the sheer numbers of arrested meant that the Show Trials lasted for some time, all while those accused languished in prison. To many, as time went on, it seemed the detractors had it, as the Government rarely lost their case and the judgement near universal. Loss of job, and community service with allocated bunkage. The opposition, invigorated but still disunited, saw a massive increase in individual memberships.

    Unfortunately, the community service program created a tremendous civic issue for the government. Wherein an individual was sentenced to community service, they lost their job only to be given the same job without pay but with governmental room and board. This resulted in a mass eviction campaign throughout the demi-urbs, as these workers lost their old private tenement housing to be put into theoretical government tenement housing. However the lack of government housing available forced El-Harar to authorize the purchasing of the previously mentioned private tenements in order to access housing within a critically short timespan. This in turn resulted in many of those evicted tenants to be given governmental allocation to the same tenement that they were previously evicted (though not the same apartment). The entire project resulted in the Ministry of Housing to submit their resignation, as billions were spent making former slum-lords into tax-payed multi-millionaires.

    All the while new housing developments, the ones initially targeted for the community service campaign, got off the ground. Tenements took shape, as entirely new blocks were added to the ever expanding Cairo-New Cairo and Alexandria metropolises. It'd take roughly five months from the very first brick, but with the expected size of the project the very last building could be done as late as 2085. In the meantime, and totally not as a result of collapsing public opinion, El-Harar announced that a new wave of Revolutionary uplifting of the proletariat was required. Direct stimulus payments, along with a vow to increase the number of public health clinics, increased investments into public transport, increased quality of governmental cafeteria foods, and a commitment to a national 6G service all put a damper on the fall of public opinion. But even this wasn't enough to cover the bureaucratic gap that existed in government, where Further, the Ministry of Finance once again indicated that budgetary constraints might be a positive, as the Egyptian government had spent twice what they expected this year through increased military ventures and the housing debacle.

    This would be worsened when El-Harar, in a bit to prevent the numerous pandemics that arose in the post-COVID era, announced a complete travel and trade ban with the United States in response to the Biofarma fungal infection. Wherein only in the 40th to 49th largest trading partners each way, it represented the death knell of physical Egypto-American trade, which had been hemorrhaging under El-Harar's nationalist principles for the past year. Firms operating between the two either collapsed or closed up shop, with the recently signed Enhanced Egyptian-MERCOSUR Treaty of Commerce taking up some of the slack. American e-commerce was the only area remaining unaffected, with software, e-health, and digital financing representing what trade left. It is estimated that the economy would lose billions over the next five years in productivity. That said, some thought it forward thinking as fungal growths were starting to be found frightfully close to the border of the Republic of Canada. Thankfully, a tidbit of good news arrived in the tail end of July as the Brazilian-Egyptian Amazon Rejuvenation Program (BEAR Program) was announced as Egyptian scientists tied with the actual science of the Sinai project were dispatched to work with Brazilian and Peruvian counterparts to rekindle the Amazon from it's sludgy savannah state.


    Vote:

    Accept the Minister of Housing's resignation?
    [ ] Yes; replace them with someone more fitting
    [ ] Yes; and collapse the Ministry, the current state is untenable.
    [ ] No; it simply highlights how much work there is to do.

    What shall be done about the protestors squatting in El-Harar Square?
    [ ] Remove them at all cost.
    [ ] Ensure that they know they are no longer wanted there.
    [ ] Keep an eye on them, but do nothing.

    What shall be done about the troops in Cyrenaica?
    [ ] To Tripoli and Derna! Onwards soldiers.
    [ ] Crush Derna, but hold the line. Egypt must now protect what it has won.
    [ ] Crush Derna, but begin demobilization. Wherein Egyptian soldiers have won, so to Cyrenaicans must defend.
    [ ] Break the siege of Derna and begin demobilization. Egypt has done their part, let others carry the tasks.

    What shall be done about the bureaucratic gap?
    [ ] Hire what is needed, quality be damned.
    [ ] Hire what is needed, but ensure that all meet the proper requirements. This will take time.
    [ ] Encourage further automation, we have seen that man is incapable of ignoring corruption.
    [ ] Shrink the offices, we cannot afford the expense of a bloated bureaucracy.

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    [ ] Write In
     
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    • [X] Plan: Cleaning the Mess
    -[X] No; it simply highlights how much work there is to do.
    -[X] Keep an eye on them, but do nothing.
    - [X] Crush Derna, but hold the line. Egypt must now protect what it has won.
    -[X] Hire what is needed, but ensure that all meet the proper requirements. This will take time.
    -[X] To ensure that our budget and economy will survive we will turn to expand the economy on our terms. We will continue investing in our trade networks with friendly nations, particularly in MENA, South America, and the Indian subcontinent. Also, we will invest in Cyrenaica with economic aid to further stabilize the new nation and help build a strong future partner.

    Ok, the plan I basically made is to clean up the mess we made (yeah, it's in the name), we'll have to expand housing for workers, and crackdown on these landlords eventually due to the labor mess we made. Our country has been on a war footing for far too long, but I could be persuaded to keep going if there is any extra information I need to know or any good arguments made.

    We cannot entirely trust further automation for what if it malfunctions or is hacked into. It therefore can manipulate a part of our government. Human labor is fine, as long as the corruption is low to the point of nothing. And from the text, it seems like our economy is kinda struggling due to our nationalistic tendency, but I'm willing to hear out solutions for this problem. And so far that seems to be all the problems we have.

    Labor/Housing: Could be eventually switched to them building infrastructure
    Economy falling: Investment into countries far enough that they will not interfere with us

    Edit: Following Mr. @Arrow 's observation, I've decided to change two parts of my plan. The military and the economy made a good point as to the military situation at hand and clarified my economic goals. I will change my plan following this.

    @Acc. No. 1409 , there are changes made to the plan.
     
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    [X] Plan: Cleaning the Mess

    No particular insights to the economic slump we found our way in, and regarding the military situation, demobilizing after finishing the engagement we found ourselves in would be good in both the salvaging our economy sense and the make our sister republic's legitimacy increase. Although having some sort of training program with the Cyrenaicans will likely be mutually beneficial.
     
    Rolen von Keng said:
    [X] Plan: Cleaning the Mess
    -[X] No; it simply highlights how much work there is to do.
    -[X] Keep an eye on them, but do nothing.
    -[X] Crush Derna, but begin demobilization. Wherein Egyptian soldiers have won, so to Cyrenaicans must defend.
    -[X] Hire what is needed, but ensure that all meet the proper requirements. This will take time.
    -[X] To ensure that our budget and economy will survive we will turn to expand the economy on our terms. We will begin investing in Brazil, Cyrenaica, and any other countries that are far enough to not interfere and are agreeable to our government.

    Ok, the plan I basically made is to clean up the mess we made (yeah, it's in the name), we'll have to expand housing for workers, and crackdown on these landlords eventually due to the labor mess we made. Our country has been on a war footing for far too long, but I could be persuaded to keep going if there is any extra information I need to know or any good arguments made.

    We cannot entirely trust further automation for what if it malfunctions or is hacked into. It therefore can manipulate a part of our government. Human labor is fine, as long as the corruption is low to the point of nothing. And from the text, it seems like our economy is kinda struggling due to our nationalistic tendency, but I'm willing to hear out solutions for this problem. And so far that seems to be all the problems we have.

    Labor/Housing: Could be eventually switched to them building infrastructure
    Economy falling: Investment into countries far enough that they will not interfere with us
    Military situation to the West:
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    I think we need to keep our present military status in Cyrenaica. We only just finished off the last warlords in the region, pulling out immediately would spell disaster for the stability of our new sister republic. Pushing onwards to Tripoli would be damaging to both our international image and to our budget right now, so we should be content with continuing our covert support.

    In regards to the domestic plan, at first glance I'm inclined to agree but I'll need to think about it further. Specifically, I'm considering the possibility of automating our bureaucracy. This is the future, and automation could potentially be a novel solution to bureaucratic inefficiency and corruption.
     
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    I think we need to keep our present military status in Cyrenaica. We only just finished off the last warlords in the region, pulling out immediately would spell disaster for the stability of our new sister republic. Pushing onwards to Tripoli would be damaging to both our international image and to our budget right now, so we should be content with continuing our covert support.

    In regards to the domestic plan, at first glance I'm inclined to agree but I'll need to think about it further. Specifically, I'm considering the possibility of automating our bureaucracy. This is the future, and automation could potentially be a novel solution to bureaucratic inefficiency and corruption.
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    I'm onboard with automation but we should accept the Minister's resignation, as part of putting this boondoggle behind us.
     
    [X] Plan: Deep Cleaning
    - [X] Yes; replace them with someone more fitting
    - [X] Keep an eye on them, but do nothing.
    - [X] Crush Derna, but hold the line. Egypt must now protect what it has won.
    - [X] Encourage further automation, we have seen that man is incapable of ignoring corruption.
    - [X] To ensure that our budget and economy will survive we will turn to expand the economy on our terms. We will continue investing in our trade networks with friendly nations, particularly in MENA, South America, and the Indian subcontinent. Also, we will invest in Cyrenaica with economic aid to further stabilize the new nation and help build a strong future partner.

    Changed a few things from Plan: Cleaning the Mess and modified the write-in with a clarification. I assume the author just meant to trade but the wording of the order implied economic investment, which we can't really afford to do beyond Cyrenaica.
     
    I'll close it down, Plan Deep Cleaning takes the cake. I'll have it up in a couple days!
     
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