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A World of Mud and Sweat - A Future Nation Development Quest

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While a refusal by Algeria could ignite mob violence, it seems reasonable to request extradition in terms of diplomatic norms.

For the other situation, Tripoli is its own question, but the railroad building supply line to Sudan does give us closer proximity to Chad than previous. We could strike the Chadian capital (do they sit in N'Djamena?) while the Neo-Gadaffists are out convoying.
 
Don't extradie the assasin to not infringe upon Algeria's sovereginty but request close monitoring of the investigation?
 
I don't think requesting extradition is infringing on Algeria's sovereignty. His crime is assassinating Egypt's president - he should be charged and tried in Egypt.
 
Namaroff said:
While a refusal by Algeria could ignite mob violence, it seems reasonable to request extradition in terms of diplomatic norms.

For the other situation, Tripoli is its own question, but the railroad building supply line to Sudan does give us closer proximity to Chad than previous. We could strike the Chadian capital (do they sit in N'Djamena?) while the Neo-Gadaffists are out convoying.
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they are still in N'Djamena, yes
 
Well, we obviously need to activate the army yesterday and deploy them in a defensive posture along the expected routes of attack. Try to open channels with Chad and ask him if Stacy left him again "what the fuck bro?" Wreck them if they continue to play stupid.

Extradition? Nah, use the Chadian attack as a 'bigger problem' to ignore the pissant assassin. "It's what El-Harar would have wanted."
 
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Libyan Situation c; Spring 2080
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    • After talking with Dadarian, here's an unofficial "official" map of Libya. It's very large so if you want to see it full size, I recommend right-clicking and opening in a new tab. Each of the polities are color-coded based on ideology as follows:

    Grey: Republic of Cyrenaica
    Blue: Colonel Mahmud Ahmed's Clique
    Yellow: Pan-Africanists/Neo-Gaddafists
    Green: Petty Libyan warlord cliques
    Purple: Ethnic Tuareg statelets
    Red: Leftist polities

    For a map with some of the major/interesting polities in Libya labeled, see the spoilers:

    1. Republic of Cyrenaica [greatest, bestest ally of Egypt]
    2. Ahmed Clique [Neo-Gaddafist splinter, supported by Egypt]
    3. Disputed Tripoli
    4. Libyan State [Pan-Africanist]
    5. Under Chadian military control [Neo-Gaddafist]
    6. Libyan People's Republic [Libertarian Socialists inspired by Rojava]
    7. People's Democratic Republic of Libya [Maoist]
    8. Republic of Ubari [Tuareg Regionalist]
    9. Tuareg People's Republic of Ghat [Tuareg Regionalist]
     
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    • Sorry for the delay, voting is now open!

    Arrow's map represents the current Libyan Warlord borders as they are at voting.
     
    Plan: Wadi Hawar

    What to do about the Chadians?
    [X] Shore up the borders in Cyrenaica and use supply-chain of bullet-train construction in Sudan to make a punitive strike against the Chadian capital of N'Djamena.

    Ask the Algerians to extradite the assassin?
    [X] Yes.

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    [X] No
     
    Plan: Wadi Hawar

    What to do about the Chadians?
    [X] Shore up the borders in Cyrenaica and use supply-chain of bullet-train construction in Sudan to make a punitive strike against the Chadian capital of N'Djamena.

    Ask the Algerians to extradite the assassin?
    [X] Yes.

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    [X] No
     
    Plan: Black Eagle

    What to do about the Chadians?
    [X] Shore up the borders in Cyrenaica and use supply-chain of bullet-train construction in Sudan to make a punitive strike against the Chadian capital of N'Djamena.

    Ask the Algerians to extradite the assassin?
    [X] No. Ask to observe the investigation.

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    [X] Create regional support for Egypt.
     
    Wait, wait, did President El-Harar die? I thought he was being flown over to Egypt for medical treatment?
     
    Now I'm not the best planner but I don't think we should strike at Chad. Is Chad under control of Neo-Gaddafists? I don't think more war will good, I was hoping we could focus more on internal problems but I know Chad needs a response.
     
    Plan: Black Eagle

    What to do about the Chadians?
    [X] Shore up the borders in Cyrenaica and use supply-chain of bullet-train construction in Sudan to make a punitive strike against the Chadian capital of N'Djamena.

    Ask the Algerians to extradite the assassin?
    [X] No. Ask to observe the investigation.

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    [X] Create regional support for Egypt.
     
    Noroboro said:
    Now I'm not the best planner but I don't think we should strike at Chad. Is Chad under control of Neo-Gaddafists? I don't think more war will good, I was hoping we could focus more on internal problems but I know Chad needs a response.
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    To help people out, I'll give a quick rundown.

    Chad and half of Tripoli are (separately) under the control of pan-Africanist neo-Gaddafists. The other half of Tripoli is under pan-Arabic neo-Gaddafists after poking, prodding, and funding from Egypt.
     
    Dadarian said:
    To help people out, I'll give a quick rundown.

    Chad and half of Tripoli are (separately) under the control of pan-Africanist neo-Gaddafists. The other half of Tripoli is under pan-Arabic neo-Gaddafists after poking, prodding, and funding from Egypt.
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    Ah okay, so we're basically against the pan-Africanists and want the pan-Arabic guys to win. Gotcha, thanks.
     
    Continued military missions over the years have really drained our expenses and pursuing yet another independent offensive into foreign territory would be a bad idea. Instead, I think we should use the diplomatic inroads we've made with our neighbors to coordinate a regional response to the Chadians. Doing so would continue to build up Egypt's credibility as a regional leader while also serving to alleviate some of the expenses of pursuing the military action.

    Plan: Toyotas Are So Last Century Anyways

    What to do about the Chadians?
    [X] Using the in-pour of international goodwill from the assassination attempt on President al-Harar, approach Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria, and Tuaregia to coordinate a joint military response to the Chadians. For Egypt's part in the intervention, we will use the supply-chain of bullet-train construction in Sudan to strike against the Chadian capital of N'Djamena.

    Ask the Algerians to extradite the assassin?
    [X] Yes, but do so behind closed doors. If they accept, then great, we can begin an investigation into the assassin. If not, we can diplomatically dangle the offer of dropping the extradition request as a bargaining chip in our play to get Algerian support for the intervention in Chad. Of course, even if they accept the offer, still insist on Egyptian participation in the investigation even if it must occur on Algerian soil.

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    [X] Use the assassination attempt on President al-Harar to spin our recent actions in Libya and our upcoming intervention in Chad in a positive light. Paint the assassination attempt and the Chadian invasion as a coordinated attempt by bad actors to destabilize the region, contrary to the stabilizing mission of Egypt.
     
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    Unfortunately we're currently in a three way tie where all three plans have 2 votes each. Given how important this vote is I don't want to flip on it so I'll leave the vote open for now. If there's no movement I'll look into perhaps rolling a die on the plan.
     
    I think that's fairly definitive, I'll close it up!
    Scheduled vote count started by Dadarian on Jul 13, 2021 at 12:24 PM, finished with 16 posts and 9 votes.
    • [X] Plan: Toyotas Are So Last Century Anyways
      [X] Shore up the borders in Cyrenaica and use supply-chain of bullet-train construction in Sudan to make a punitive strike against the Chadian capital of N'Djamena.
      [X] Yes.
      [X] No
      [X] No. Ask to observe the investigation.
      [X] Create regional support for Egypt.
      [X] Using the in-pour of international goodwill from the assassination attempt on President al-Harar, approach Sudan, Tunisia, Algeria, and Tuaregia to coordinate a joint military response to the Chadians. For Egypt's part in the intervention, we will use the supply-chain of bullet-train construction in Sudan to strike against the Chadian capital of N'Djamena.
      [X] Yes, but do so behind closed doors. If they accept, then great, we can begin an investigation into the assassin. If not, we can diplomatically dangle the offer of dropping the extradition request as a bargaining chip in our play to get Algerian support for the intervention in Chad. Of course, even if they accept the offer, still insist on Egyptian participation in the investigation even if it must occur on Algerian soil.
      [X] Use the assassination attempt on President al-Harar to spin our recent actions in Libya and our upcoming intervention in Chad in a positive light. Paint the assassination attempt and the Chadian invasion as a coordinated attempt by bad actors to destabilize the region, contrary to the stabilizing mission of Egypt.
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