Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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The optimal outcome, of course, would be for the two to be one and the same.
La Chanson de la Victoire (The Song of Victory): La Petite Arpenteuse (Non, SV, you are a General of France in the Napoleonic War!)
- Thread starter Plausbius
- Start date
- Mature Alt. History
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
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- United States
Or for the businessman to be able to see profitability in his counterpart's position. Economically slavery isn't a good idea anyway since that locks in a significant portion of the population towards basic manual labor only and they will try their damnedest to not let the plantation owner make money. Meanwhile, an emancipated society has a far greater capacity for production since workers are incentivized to do more for greater income.
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Well I mean unfortunately people... are assholes.
and people who are assholes and enjoy power tend to enjoy that power over people.
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- United States
Sadly true at this point. In addition, economic theory hasn't reached maturity yet so they don't realize how much more they could be making.
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Dr.Degenerate
The Resident Furry
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- A Trash Can
Has the cotton gin been invented yet? If so wouldn't conventional wisdom be that slavery is on the way out in the states due to the increasing unprofitability of the slave plantations?
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- California,USA
Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
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- United States
We can beat the Americans to the punch of transitioning into a laissez faire economy, come to think of it.
Edit: Fuck, but we'd have the problem of John Locke being British, and so was Adam Smith. Well, Scottish but close enough.
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Eh... no. We have no influence on governmental economic policy.
Even if France could, we don't really have anything to get started with. After all, we lack damn near everything Britian has currently to out produce them, and even if we started trying to kickstart industry, it would take years... and peace.
Adam Smith is a SCOTSMAN!
But yes, you are correct.
Edit: Really though I am really nervous of not having Plaus to assist me fully on writing the updates and that may stop me from... producing insane quality updates...
But hey, I'm just hoping Plaus is going to be back soon so that will not be the case.
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Nicholas Brooks
Redeemer and Destroyer
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- United States
Okay for clarification, I did not mean "we" as in the player character specifically, more France in general. And I did not mean "right now, in the middle of the war" just "before OTL".
[X] Plan: You're in the Army Now
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- California USA
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You need money for that...
And while you have Capital now... you might not have some later.
Edit: For those wondering why the Wealth Changed: Jourdan finally brought our Belated Paycheck. Plus overtime pay for us bailing out the Army of the North. Turns out even Generals get Hazard Pay for saving France.
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- leiden (NL)
[X] Plan: You're in the Army Now
ThatGuyWithIdeas
Treize died for our sins
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- Romania
[X] Plan: Diplomatic Guns
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- Minnesota
[X] Plan: You're in the Army Now
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ConfusedCanuck
Where did it all go wrong?
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- Neverland
[X] Plan: Diplomatic Guns
Well now glad to see some good rolls for us and we really need peace on at least one front. Both to give France some breathing room to you know rebuild/create a new government. And for us to really train up our stats because while we are good we've also been pretty lucky as well so far. I also want to see peace with Prussia so we could go and fight in Italy as well.
Also glad to see an update after so long!
Well now glad to see some good rolls for us and we really need peace on at least one front. Both to give France some breathing room to you know rebuild/create a new government. And for us to really train up our stats because while we are good we've also been pretty lucky as well so far. I also want to see peace with Prussia so we could go and fight in Italy as well.
Also glad to see an update after so long!
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Thank you.
Hoefully Plaus will be back soon, but otherwise, I am happy and Glad that we had a few updates Stashed away for a rainy day.
I just hope I can keep up the high quality updates that you all have grown accustomed to.
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- leiden (NL)
I agree with your reasoning, but the problem with the Diplomatic Guns plan is that it is not very diplomatic. France needs Peace more than anything else. So the Prussian Diplomat action is extremely important, IMO.
Also, IC, the black market guns from another country are not going to be to the gribeauval system models, so they are unlikely to be as good as French standard artillery and will play havoc with our logistics
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- Hell
That is fair, thus
[X] Plan: Guns and Olives Branches
-[X] Training (Infantry): You will need to turn this poor excuse of a unit into a fighting force. Costs 1 wealth. DC:20
-[X] Training (Calvary): You will need to turn this poor excuse of a unit into a fighting force. Costs 1 wealth. DC:5
-[X] Training (Artillery): You will need to turn this poor excuse of a unit into a fighting force. Costs 1 wealth. DC:30
-[X] Blackmarket Canon: There are rumors that the Blackmarket in a certain bordering nation that shall not be named, offers surplus canon for a reasonable price... you don't like circumventing the armies supply chain... but you need canon. Cost 6 Wealth DC: 40
-[X] The Staff Question: You need to speak to your staff about commanding a force this large... you are going to need to promote one of them, for a temporary position as your chief of Staff. DC: 5
-[X] Care for The Children: The children while much more relaxed than they were before the new year are still children. DC: 5
-[X] A Peace Offering: There is a diplomat from Prussia coming towards you, wishing for safe passage for Paris... He's talking about an armistice to the war. You have heard nothing of the sort? DC: ???
-[X]Protest the Invasion of Egypt (Unofficially): You should know that the French Navy is not capable of striking out against the royal navy. You will protest this invasion, hopefully, someone in the Directorate sees sense. Though you will do so privately, to not gain any unnecessary attention. Cost 1 Wealth DC: ???
[X] Plan: Diplomatic Guns
Diplomatic Guns is the only contending plan, so it keeps my vote. And while standarization of army equipment is nice, having more guns is nicer.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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- At Home
There's [ ] Plan: You're in the Army Now , which already has the Prussian peace offering.
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- Hell
Yes, but it has Fortifications instead of buying more canon
Thus Guns and Olive Branches
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- leiden (NL)
ok, then i am changing vote
[X] Plan: Guns and Olives Branches
edit: while I stand by what I said, IC, about gribeauval system, I agree that, if war starts again, more guns is better than one impregnable fortress, which can be avoided. And with more guns, we can have more trained artillerymen, who can use better guns as a later upgrade.
[X] Plan: Guns and Olives Branches
edit: while I stand by what I said, IC, about gribeauval system, I agree that, if war starts again, more guns is better than one impregnable fortress, which can be avoided. And with more guns, we can have more trained artillerymen, who can use better guns as a later upgrade.
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- The state of Paranoia
[X] Plan: Guns and Olives Branches