Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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I haven't seen any convincing way for the write in vote to get back in contact with the ice lady. They live in the far south of the wall. Pining hope on the idea that they stay this far north chasing a curiosity doesn't seem like a good bet.

I would much rather bet on Ling Qi's ability to sway sect policy, especially if the sect sees ice lady helping them. As has been said, we don't likely need the ice lady's help in finishing this task. That's not the point though. The point is to test the lady and see if she is willing to work with the sect and if so, to allow the sect to see the ice lady helping them. The good will generated by that should ease the conversation. What ever it might be.
The Ice Lady is a distraction. An interesting distraction, but still a distraction. I would rather we succeed at this mission and don't see here again for years than to try some dumb long shot that fucks the mission up because it's our only opportunity to talk to her.
 
She has a cloud nomad for a husband, and is at summit about potentially allying against imperials. Lets not think her dumb.
Hes also going to be a southern tribesmen?

We already know they're not monolithic.

"The southern tribes don't generally deal with the imperials" isn't "the southern tribes never deal with the imperials and are completely ignorant about what the imperials think of them." There are southern tribe leaders alive today who probably personally fought under Ogodei.
And they clearly dont consider us a threat given their response to the Cyan warning them about how evil.the Imperials were.

Ling Qi felt uncomfortable looking at her. The woman felt familiar despite her clear foreignness. She felt like a cold winters night, fierce and independent, like a more aggressive Zeqing. She was peak third realm. As she watched, the woman leaned in to whisper to the man.

"The White Sky confederation sees no value in treating with demons," the man said. Several of the warriors among the first group shot him disgusted looks. "If our brothers in the north are so desperate the Sky Palace Koliada will welcome them. More hands will only make work proceed faster."
Utter dismissal
That's about the response I expected
 
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And they clearly dont consider us a threat given their response to the Cyan warning them about how evil.the Imperials were.
Well yeah we're not a threat because the empire doesn't go that far south either. This isn't that far south though, this is right in a place that the Imperials are empirically willing to operate in, so all "if you DO happen to run into lowlanders" concerns apply.
 
The Ice Lady is a distraction. An interesting distraction, but still a distraction. I would rather we succeed at this mission and don't see here again for years than to try some dumb long shot that fucks the mission up because it's our only opportunity to talk to her.
I question how one more combatant on our side would fuck up the mission. I actually don't see that as possible. Maybe if near the end she went on a killing spree and killed all the wounded barbs we were going to question. But that seems like a really long shot.
 
Well yeah we're not a threat because the empire doesn't go that far south either. This isn't that far south though, this is right in a place that the Imperials are empirically willing to operate in, so all "if you DO happen to run into lowlanders" concerns apply.
And if they dont consider us a threat

And we don't attack them

Why would that assumption change?
 
And if they dont consider us a threat

And we don't attack them

Why would that assumption change?
They don't consider us a threat to the southern tribes as entities because we aren't a threat so long as they southern tribes stay in southern tribe territory. So long as they aren't completely ignorant about the empire however, then their assumption should be that the empire will act how it acts when one isn't in southern tribe territory.
 
Ling Qi felt uncomfortable looking at her. The woman felt familiar despite her clear foreignness. She felt like a cold winters night, fierce and independent, like a more aggressive Zeqing. She was peak third realm. As she watched, the woman leaned in to whisper to the man.
Considering Zeqing explicitly mentioned she'd have once upon a time violently forced Zhengui outside of her claimed region I suspect Not!Else's response to threats is liberal application of murder.

Regardless we know the leadership of the Argent Sect was debating rather hard over whether, or not this attack was a good idea in the first place, which mean if CRX makes them guests of the Cai they'll likely be fine if for no other reason than the AS needing that sweet sweet Cai money. As for how to reach that point... well I'd expect those on the assault force to be smart enough to leave the third realms cooperating with the advanced force for last, and well Ling Qi as the left hand of CRX technically has a degree of diplomatic authority, or at least nobody knows she wasn't actually given any, which isn't going to make it any less of a political mess when CRX catches the diplomatic football.

[X] Tell her to help if she's so interested in you, you can talk later.

Admittedly lots of people are liable to take issues, but that was inevitable if we wanted to do anything with the CN that wasn't the usual methods, and what we'll need to focus on is getting enough out of it to Shenhua not disapprove of it.

This is at least my current thoughts on the issue.
 
They don't consider us a threat to the southern tribes as entities because we aren't a threat so long as they southern tribes stay in southern tribe territory. So long as they aren't completely ignorant about the empire however, then their assumption should be that the empire will act how it acts when one isn't in southern tribe territory.
So you're saying that so long as we dont threaten them directly

They wont assume we're out to get them

Which is exactly what I said

That's not really fair do you normally think I'm arguing in bad faith?
You're the one who accused me of talking out of both sides of my mouth first when Im notoriously an asshole about people acting under good faith

A bit late for you to play the wounded party tbh
 
On a somewhat unrelated note, I would like to point out for those concerned with our ability to find and meet-up with Ice Lady after the fight should we roll with my write-in, we do have access to RME, specifically this:
Initiate's Viewing Pool: B
[Non-Combat]
Requiring a surface of calm water or a mirror at least two handspans wide, the user concentrates on a familiar person or place within fifteen kilometers of their current position. The user is able to view the person or location in clear detail with both sight and hearing with perception equivalent to their own base Perception. This viewing may be opposed by arts or talismans of various types, in which case the user's combat perception is used to determine success. With sufficient surfaces, the use may view up to three targets with a single use of this technique. The user may attempt to look upon an unfamiliar location or person(such as one merely described or seen in passing to the user), however the user receives two ranks down on their Perception when doing this, and only receives visual information even on success. Targets are not considered familiar until seen in person.

Alternatively the user may generate a surface of their own to use on the fly, but using the technique this way causes all perception checks to be made at one rank down.

This should allow us to figure out where Ice Lady goes after the battle. Just sayin'.
 
On a somewhat unrelated note, I would like to point out for those concerned with our ability to find and meet-up with Ice Lady after the fight should we roll with my write-in, we do have access to RME, specifically this:


This should allow us to figure out where Ice Lady goes after the battle. Just sayin'.

Thats incredibly dangeorus from the ice witches pov. She would have to dodge sect forces, while not harming them, while still keeping close to be found by RME. Plus we dont have much time to hash out stuff. She doesnt know we have RME. And we dont have enough time to tell her our abilities. Nor should we tell an enemy our abilities.
 
So you're saying that so long as we dont threaten them directly

They wont assume we're out to get them

Which is exactly what I said
No, I'm saying that they'll assume that since they're In Territory Where The Empire Actually Operates, they'll assume that if they run into the empire, the empire will go after them. This is because it's what the empire will do, and cultivators live long lives so it just takes ONE person who has done stuff up north to personally know somebody who had that exact situation happen to them.
 
On a somewhat unrelated note, I would like to point out for those concerned with our ability to find and meet-up with Ice Lady after the fight should we roll with my write-in, we do have access to RME, specifically this:


This should allow us to figure out where Ice Lady goes after the battle. Just sayin'.
We may not be in a condition to use it after the battle if our previous track record has any say.

More serious though, 15km is really not that big an area in regards to high 3rd realm cultivators. Trusting that art to give us ways to connect with ice lady if she runs now feels like a stretch. How do we know they are going to stay within 15km of the imperial border? Kms are starting dueling distances.
 
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The way she approached us though, we might actually be able to wrangle starstone babysitting out of her. She has plausible deniability while sitting on the stone; it looks like she's driven us away from it. With the strongest Green on the field squatting on it, the cloud nomads focus on other things. If the imperials win, then she'll chat with these strange northern ice girls. If the nomads win, she pretends she was on their side the whole time, and who is going to contradict her? Not the biggest assist, though.
She just makes a goddamn ice palace with the rock in the center we get good fortification and a fallback point for our cavalry
I LOVE IT
 
No, I'm saying that they'll assume that since they're In Territory Where The Empire Actually Operates, they'll assume that if they run into the empire, the empire will go after them. This is because it's what the empire will do, and cultivators live long lives so it just takes ONE person who has done stuff up north to personally know somebody who had that exact situation happen to them.
If That Exact Situation had happened to.them, wouldnt they have died instead?

People dont often consider a problem as relevant to them until its.staring them in the face, and its pretty clear that they're not exactly fearful of.the Imperial Lowlanders coming for them

Underestimating potential.threats can go.both ways
 
If That Exact Situation had happened to.them, wouldnt they have died instead?

People dont often consider a problem as relevant to them until its.staring them in the face, and its pretty clear that they're not exactly fearful of.the Imperial Lowlanders coming for them

Underestimating potential.threats can go.both ways
Most of them in that exact situation probably did die, yes, but it only takes one or two, and those who manage to survive are disproportionately likely to live longer lives via superior cultivation. Basically, do you think that the Southern Tribes are COMPLETELY ignorant about the empire, or that they are not completely ignorant about the empire. Because if they aren't completely ignorant about the empire, then like the first thing they will know is that if they ARE north in the territory that the empire operates in, then are not going to be treated any different than the northern tribes are when they DO run into the empire.
 
If That Exact Situation had happened to.them, wouldnt they have died instead?

People dont often consider a problem as relevant to them until its.staring them in the face, and its pretty clear that they're not exactly fearful of.the Imperial Lowlanders coming for them

Underestimating potential.threats can go.both ways

So like can you prove thats how they think? Like you were arguing my belief that from their pov it would be quite dangerous to flee but stay around in the area while avoiding harming imperials just to talk to ling qi earlier was invalid because we cant know how they think? Like all i was doing projecting some basic military knowledge on the woman. Its very dangerous to project little knowledge about imperials on another culture and how they might react on so little.
 
*is still under consideration of which of the two leading votes would lead to the more F U N Route*

From a purely narrative pov Id imagine Ice Lady fighting and then talking would be more interesting because we seee more of a unique fighting style which we have little knowledge about. Plus we get to talk to her right after the fighting which is a little treat for what happens afterwards.

Logistically the other option is difficult and quite frankly we have no idea when they would show up next. And we dont see cool ice lady fighting.
 
Most of them in that exact situation probably did die, yes, but it only takes one or two, and those who manage to survive are disproportionately likely to live longer lives via superior cultivation. Basically, do you think that the Southern Tribes are COMPLETELY ignorant about the empire, or that they are not completely ignorant about the empire. Because if they aren't completely ignorant about the empire, then like the first thing they will know is that if they ARE north in the territory that the empire operates in, then are not going to be treated any different than the northern tribes are when they DO run into the empire.
You're betting on a paranoia they havent displayed in the slightest

Including in this battle with how casually Elsa has been treating it

I just dont see any reason to assume wariness that has not been displayed at all.until.this point


So like can you prove thats how they think?
No, but I can prove how they act

And they are not acting particularly aggressive or skittish. Rather, they're acting like they're not sure if this is their problem or not with how passive theyve been.

As for how they think?

No one in this thread can. They might pull a runner after the fact, but like how you're willing to take a very immediate risk without cause, I'm willing to take a longer risk that the Ice Ladys demonstrated interest will help motivate her to find a way to open contact back up with Ling Qi.

At least if she declines to down the line, there's no real.drawback save a missed opportunity
 
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