Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Unseelie
(Verified True Fae)
- Location
- Tír fo Thuinn
I know she used her flute for this technique, but I can't help imagining her beatboxing instead.
- Location
- Germany
My thoughts about this situation exactly.
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
Ling Qi is known to her friends as someone who ruthlessly exploits her gained advantages and tries to get everything she can get out of them. I see no reason let up now of all times. Let´s not fix what isn´t broken!
Also, Ling Qi is a known Co-Organiser of this event and would probably like to make headway into the general ES nobility in this event. I would argue that meeting Alingge in a more private setting and discuss spiritbeast cultivation there would earn us more friendship and information than deliberately asking her now.
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
- Location
- California
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
Tough vote, I changed my mind multiple times but I think this option is better overall. Ignoring the people we just defeated seems like a mistake, regardless of whether we have MSS or not. Zhengui will be a primary focus of this arc, so we'll likely have a chance to talk with Alingge about Zhengui later. Even if we don't, we'll likely have a vote that achieves similar purposes in terms of helping Zhengui. Zhengui's socialization has also generally been limited to people and spirits close to Ling Qi so far, so I'm interested in seeing how he handles himself here.
Tough vote, I changed my mind multiple times but I think this option is better overall. Ignoring the people we just defeated seems like a mistake, regardless of whether we have MSS or not. Zhengui will be a primary focus of this arc, so we'll likely have a chance to talk with Alingge about Zhengui later. Even if we don't, we'll likely have a vote that achieves similar purposes in terms of helping Zhengui. Zhengui's socialization has also generally been limited to people and spirits close to Ling Qi so far, so I'm interested in seeing how he handles himself here.
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In the previous thread, there were 3-ish Zhengui+friend/rival social votes that became available. We didn't vote for a single one of them. The argument that Ling Qi has hovered over Zhengui is incompatible with the reality of how she has been played. That was my point. Ling Qi has been hands-off with Zhengui as it relates to his socialization. That's the opposite of helicopter parenting.
She's also not really strongly engaged with his cultivation or themes, outside of a few one-off training sessions involving other people. She's mostly left him to manage his own affairs and remained largely ignorant of the context he operates from. This is true for his socialization and his cultivation. Again, not compatible with a "helicopter parent" label.
It's perfectly valid to think giving Zhengui space at this event will be more beneficial for him, but it's not valid to argue it on the basis of a history of smothering him which simply doesn't exist.
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- Location
- Staring into the void
As his bonded partner, it's normally up to us to introduce him to any social groups. Leaving him to fend for himself also sends a message to the traditionalists about how highly (or not) we regard him.
Mother Nyx
Mother of Elpis
- Location
- The Kei Klub
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
LucidProp
Pocky Eating MafiaDoka
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
I don't really like Wang Chao, he isn't particularly interesting compared to our friends who I'd rather we spend time with, but that's just the nature of our job and we gotta keep on trucking while on the clock regardless.
I don't really like Wang Chao, he isn't particularly interesting compared to our friends who I'd rather we spend time with, but that's just the nature of our job and we gotta keep on trucking while on the clock regardless.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I think there is a significant difference between showing care as a senior peer and showing care as a friend, here. Wang Chao is the one trying to directly win them over for his own faction, and showing care as a friend to them could be something some people here wants... but when I talk about showing care, I meant as a senior noble of Emerald Sea who shows he cares about them and their abilities, but doesn't necessarily try to win them over as personal friends.
The whole 'stern commander' thing works, too.
Ling Qi's currently not capable to play with helping Wang Chao considering she doesn't have the necessary social art, and she has already shown herself to care for the nobility during this week.
It has significantly hurt him, considering a huge portion of Zhengui's character is now about proving himself worthy of Ling Qi's attention, due to Ling Qi always choosing to ignore him.
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- Location
- Canada
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
TimEd
Meteor maker
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
Ling Qi doesnt need a shiny new social art for this. Heck, I'd even argue against needing a social art at all, mainly due to Sixiang's existence.
Ling Qi doesnt need a shiny new social art for this. Heck, I'd even argue against needing a social art at all, mainly due to Sixiang's existence.
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[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
That's not true though. We constantly voted for Zhengui training last year and we often vote for his social actions, with the big awkward factor there being how Xuan Shi was getting smooshed into him. LQ spends plenty of time with him.
Our problems are related to combat and teamwork. The problem was, in both the bandit arc and nomad attack arc, her ditching him for tactical reasons related to our build increasingly becoming high mobility and lower support. And even then if you look more broadly in the bandit arc and the scouting arc we still work with him often. And we're working on being better about teamwork now.
Like, I wouldn't expect talking to Alingge to fix Zhengui's behavioural issues rn anyway. I feel like he's mostly in a bleh mood because of how things went down, and really time is the big thing needed there.
- Location
- Europe
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
I'm not super happy about this vote, because we're here to deal with Wang Chao. But we have consistently voted against helping ZhenGui.
It's unsurprising but I can't help but think that he gets overlooked because he doesn't cause us problems. Very, "the oldest child gets ignored because all the younger siblings need more attention which leaves them without the care they also need, but they won't show that because they've been shown that their needs have to come second to the other siblings.".
I expect this vote will lose, and I think that's okay. But we really will need to start making time for Zhengui and Zhengui only.
I'm not super happy about this vote, because we're here to deal with Wang Chao. But we have consistently voted against helping ZhenGui.
It's unsurprising but I can't help but think that he gets overlooked because he doesn't cause us problems. Very, "the oldest child gets ignored because all the younger siblings need more attention which leaves them without the care they also need, but they won't show that because they've been shown that their needs have to come second to the other siblings.".
I expect this vote will lose, and I think that's okay. But we really will need to start making time for Zhengui and Zhengui only.
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
I just want more alingge
I just want more alingge
- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
A big problem I have with your argument here is the use of so much absolute language. I don't think such language is helpful when discussing the complicated and nuanced relationship Zhengui and Ling Qi have.
One of the issues I things that I think is hurting Zhengui is how much he wants to protect Ling Qi. What he may not fully understand is how much Ling Qi wants to protect him. This means that when he choose to sacrifice that dream to the fungus we got hurt as well because we didn't want to see him hurt. I think he understood that we got hurt from his action of sacrifice and that hurts him because the entire point of his action was to protect us.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
This is how I feel as well. I definitely do not feel we have helicoptered/smothered Zhengui.
[X] Join Alingge with the Beasts. [Actively help Zhengui be more social. Advice on the vagaries of raising spirit beasts, Influence Alingge bond.]
If we're definitely going to be sparring with Wang Chao tomorrow, I am less fussed about cornering him right now.
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- Location
- France
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
[X] Join Wang Chao in the pavilion. [Make yourself more approachable, influence Wang Chao Bond. Give Zhengui room to act on his own, for better or worse.]
Were the co organizer and the whole point of this is to get close to Wang. That Zhengui is getting benefits out of it is a nice bonus but that - a bonus.
Were the co organizer and the whole point of this is to get close to Wang. That Zhengui is getting benefits out of it is a nice bonus but that - a bonus.