Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Not going to lie, you had me worried there. I was all pumped up and ready to go with darkness month only to be thrown a speed bump right out of the gate. What's that? You are only lonely and want friendship? We get to drag our new awkward friend around all month...
Come here my boy, you can sit next to me. Strap yourself in, because we are specced in anti-loneliness and it's darkness month.
I love the image of Ling Qi walking into Su Ling's house without knocking and flopping onto her table just to complain about a boy crushing on her. The perfect reunion after all these months. It's also pretty amusing that after everyone has been asking for more Su Ling yrsillar makes a more Su Ling? Y/N vote and everyone votes no. (I know that the vote comes with baggage, just the idea is funny.)
Come here my boy, you can sit next to me. Strap yourself in, because we are specced in anti-loneliness and it's darkness month.
I love the image of Ling Qi walking into Su Ling's house without knocking and flopping onto her table just to complain about a boy crushing on her. The perfect reunion after all these months. It's also pretty amusing that after everyone has been asking for more Su Ling yrsillar makes a more Su Ling? Y/N vote and everyone votes no. (I know that the vote comes with baggage, just the idea is funny.)
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- A place
[X] Hold off, Let Su Ling settle into the Inner Sect for longer before springing new social groups on her.
I think it's mostly because we know what our friend is like and kicking down her front door and going "SU LING! Let's go to a sparring party with a whole bunch of Nobles you have never met!" is just going to result in disgruntled fox noises.
Doesn't seem to stop people when it comes to LQ.
You know what? Sold.
[X] Invite Su Ling to the training group. As the co-organizer, inviting a few close friends was allowed.
If there was ever a month to be selfish and do the things that LQ actually wants to do this is it. We are supposed to be recovering, right? Seems only fair that we reward her after sticking out her neck one month and breaking her back the next.
Sooooooo....... The next attempt at getting into Zhengui's good graces?
Sirrocco
Pedantic
So, one of the things I've been realizing about this world... it's a place where any two adults can have children together, as long as it's one male and one female. Like, any two. A spirit horse and a thousand-year-old fork can have kids together. (Hey - don't judge. That fork's a badass.)
Now, I'm realizing, it's not happening yet, but at some point, Zhengui is near-guaranteed to have kids with someone. He's already crushing on Meizhen's suave cousin, after all. (Turtlesnakes grow up quick.). That's going to have all sorts of potential interesting implications, especially given that there's a good chance that any children would wind up as part of our clan (he is our brother/son). If the lucky young lady is human (not entirely implausible) then as 50% turtlesnake spiritblooded, the kids will have a legacy with some real kick behind it, too. I'm not saying it's going to happen immediately, but.... Well, he does have a shrine, now. That suggests that there's at least one person in our household who looks upon him somewhat worshipfully, and as far as I know, we don't currently have male retainers... or retainers who'd be trying to save themselves for marriage.
Now, I'm realizing, it's not happening yet, but at some point, Zhengui is near-guaranteed to have kids with someone. He's already crushing on Meizhen's suave cousin, after all. (Turtlesnakes grow up quick.). That's going to have all sorts of potential interesting implications, especially given that there's a good chance that any children would wind up as part of our clan (he is our brother/son). If the lucky young lady is human (not entirely implausible) then as 50% turtlesnake spiritblooded, the kids will have a legacy with some real kick behind it, too. I'm not saying it's going to happen immediately, but.... Well, he does have a shrine, now. That suggests that there's at least one person in our household who looks upon him somewhat worshipfully, and as far as I know, we don't currently have male retainers... or retainers who'd be trying to save themselves for marriage.
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Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
Wang Chao actually can't afford to be 'taught the rope' of socialising by Ling Qi. Like, I'm not even talking about how condescending and how likely it is that he is better than us at that, I'm saying that it's a really really bad look if someone that's looked down upon is the one 'helping' Wang Chao do basic things. Yes, Moonless Saboteur Smile is about helping others in arguments. It's also going to be super early and likely going to not even be equipped because HDW would still be better for social, and having a social art is there to slowly make Ling Qi better at this, not instantly reverse her reputation.
We'll be around Wang Chao, but if you want Ling Qi to completely focus on Wang Chao when we explicitely voted for not doing that, wellll..
Aren't you the one that's constantly saying that one of the real fault of Yrs handling socialisation is that we only have a focus on one person at a time and that whenever there is a vote about merging multiple groups together and having 'group socials' we never take them?
This is one of those so-called "group socials here". Coming here with a second is what everyone will do. Alliange will have hers. Wang Chao has Liang He. Ling Qi not having one will actually make the focus more of a mess, but also will make it more likely that we have yet another invidiual vote "who do you talk to" thing.
And hey. If you are right, and this doesn't actually end up in a group social where Su Ling is there as our second/Friend who backs us up, and we have a vote on "who do we want to talk", with one of those options being Su Ling.... This just means that Su Ling would be "talking to Lian He offscreen" when we vote to not talk to her. She'll just have the advantage of having been there and make things much better.
This vote here right now make it pretty damn clear that said vote will not have people voting to "babysit" her anyway. Being wary of other characters not having agency is, well, not how this quest works. If you are wary of Su Ling needing babysitting, you are basically saying that she will never be able to talk to anyone, because right now she is riding on a political high, and later it will be harder and she will get back to her bad habit.
If Ling Qi invite Su Ling along.... there is no obligation to babysit her. That's not how it works, and you know it.
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[X] Hold off, Let Su Ling settle into the Inner Sect for longer before springing new social groups on her.
I think the would-be parents need to be of sufficiently high realm to overcome the species boundary. In all human-spirit crossbreedings we have heard of, at least one of the parents has been Cyan+.
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- somewhere over there.
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- They/It
[X] Hold off, Let Su Ling settle into the Inner Sect for longer before springing new social groups on her.
No, it's saying that I don't think she'll want to talk to these specific people.
Wiggin42
Wage Slave
Not sure if someone already said it better, but I love the idea that this whole time Xuan Shi was just trying to get an in with the 'cool kids' and saw Ling Qi as the approachable one. This just seems like such an 80's film that I half expect Ling Qi to give him a makeover by removing his glasses hat and helping him pick out a new wardrobe.
[X] Hold off, Let Su Ling settle into the Inner Sect for longer before springing new social groups on her.
I want to get a better feel for what these meetings are like before we start trying to pull people into later sessions.
[X] Hold off, Let Su Ling settle into the Inner Sect for longer before springing new social groups on her.
I want to get a better feel for what these meetings are like before we start trying to pull people into later sessions.
[X] Hold off, Let Su Ling settle into the Inner Sect for longer before springing new social groups on her.
Way too much politics at the training session, Su Ling hates these types of interactions, and there's a strong chance of discrimination against her. I would much rather Ling Qi invites her to other gatherings and adventures around the inner sect.
Way too much politics at the training session, Su Ling hates these types of interactions, and there's a strong chance of discrimination against her. I would much rather Ling Qi invites her to other gatherings and adventures around the inner sect.
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
If she doesn't want to talk to those specific people, she won't talk to them and she won't need babysitting anyway.
Of course, this goes against the actual text of the update where she is asking Ling Qi advice on how she has to learn to deal with those people:
Like, inviting her doesn't come out of nowhere. It's opening a door for Su Ling to mingle with people she wants to learn how to mingle with, because she now knows that she has to learn it. It doesn't mean Ling Qi has to babysit her or anything, it just means that Su Ling being in a training group when she is riding on a political high is the softest ball possible for her to get a grasp on dealing with this shit.
It's not like Xiulan had to constantly watch over Ling Qi when she pushed Ling Qi to socialise, or CRX had to hover around Ling Qi. Ling Qi doesn't have to hover and babysit Su Ling, and it's kind of condescending to imply she does.
Late comers are always second class in a group. "waiting to see how those meeting are like" is basically making things much harder on both Su Ling (for obvious reasons) but also for Ling Qi, because Ling Qi needs all the allies she can get in those training session, and in 3 months when Su Ling would have been integrated in the group it would mean Ling Qi isn't that one alone gal in the group.
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- Location
- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
One of my questions is if Su Ling had time to say goodbye to everyone at the outer sect or if someone just went to her house to ask about pills and found it abandoned.
You say that, but I feel it's worth noting that any course of action involving kicking down Su Ling's door and disgruntled fox noises is by definition not wrong.
Sirrocco
Pedantic
Well, that's fair... and given the rate of development we've seen out of him, I suspect that Zhengui wouldn't necessarily be ready psychologically before then. He's still registering as somewhat immature. At the same time, Cyan for him is not so very long from now (ie, small number of years), with the rate things are going.
I'm pretty sure Ling Qi wasn't the only one who's Domain was flaring due to teenage awkwardness. Honestly, it would be really funny to have the story of that maid that was scared shitless of the Domain display finding out what that REALLY was.
One other thing i think is worth looking at in the update is that while, yes, Ling Qi successfully made her position on romance clear, she hasn't shoved the issue completely out of mind. She's talking to friends about it, which is interesting. Not in the sense that she's toying with changing her mind on any level, she isn't, but that she seems as though she will be moving forwards while at least attempting to have an awareness of Xuan Shi's feelings, while also not running away screaming for the hills. It's nice progress.
There was the creep client of Qingge's the night before Ling Qi ran away, yes, but then she proceeded to live on the streets on her own from the age of 10 to 14. It's basically certain she had to run from cat-calls, threats, advances, offers, and even being chased more than once. She did dress as a boy to try to escape that kind of attention, but, well, frankly that isn't as effective a shield as she probably thinks it is. There's a decent chance she thought her disguise was seen through on several occasions where it wasn't; her would-be assailants just weren't picky.
Anyway, if we invite our politically unpracticed friend to a social gathering of nobles with intent to assist her in that arena, I do think we have an obligation to put in effort to help it go well? Advocating on her behalf, steering things away from arguments, pointing her in the right direction kind of thing. That's what inviting her means to me. If we're inviting her to help her, then we actually have to help her, or we're being a half-hearted asshole.
Normally, I'd be all for lending her that help. My issue is we have other standing obligations with the thing already, and splitting our attention 3+ different ways is a good way for our super early attempts at coordinating a social situation is full of flops instead of progress.
And then there's this line she admitted to Xuan Shi. It's easy for us to forget the whole of Ling Qi's experiences, because she doesn't dwell on most of them. We need to extrapolate from what we know to understand the full meaning of this line.
There was the creep client of Qingge's the night before Ling Qi ran away, yes, but then she proceeded to live on the streets on her own from the age of 10 to 14. It's basically certain she had to run from cat-calls, threats, advances, offers, and even being chased more than once. She did dress as a boy to try to escape that kind of attention, but, well, frankly that isn't as effective a shield as she probably thinks it is. There's a decent chance she thought her disguise was seen through on several occasions where it wasn't; her would-be assailants just weren't picky.
Interestingly, we basically have no idea who is going to be there besides Wang Chao, Lian He, and Alingge. Bit of a mystery box. It does make it difficult to weigh options.
Anyway, if we invite our politically unpracticed friend to a social gathering of nobles with intent to assist her in that arena, I do think we have an obligation to put in effort to help it go well? Advocating on her behalf, steering things away from arguments, pointing her in the right direction kind of thing. That's what inviting her means to me. If we're inviting her to help her, then we actually have to help her, or we're being a half-hearted asshole.
Normally, I'd be all for lending her that help. My issue is we have other standing obligations with the thing already, and splitting our attention 3+ different ways is a good way for our super early attempts at coordinating a social situation is full of flops instead of progress.
- Location
- Boston
[X] Invite Su Ling to the training group. As the co-organizer, inviting a few close friends was allowed.