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Second Life Begin Again (A Naruto Reincarnation Quest)

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Trondason said:
2) If they are making 5 really good fakes and 1 real one, why not just make it 5 really good fakes? And since they ARE stealing your scroll, odds are they wouldn't mind much just having them kill themselves.
As for "a jutsu that cannot be a jutsu", I assume you mean "A jutsu that does nothing". I mean, sure, you can roughly argue that you can't have a persons chakra do NOTHING, but you CAN have it do something that is 0% useful. Like, for example, a jutsu for moving the planet. The scroll SAYS it's a jutsu to make you immortal, or something like that, but they won't be able to tell the difference till they did it (again, if they could, they wouldn't have killed themselves with the shadow clone jutsu), and it would just go right ahead and suck up all of their chakra, since there's no way anyone not named Hashirama has anywhere near enough chakra to move the entire planet.
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I think I'm hitting a wall. A logic wall.

By "a jutsu that cannot be a jutsu" I meant more "fake jutsu techniques cannot be made, because all jutsu will be jutsu". Which completely eliminates my side of the argument (some or all the techniques are false), and justifying your side that was originally going all the techniques are 100% real.

There seems to be some kind of weirdness factor in jutsu techniques, as I cannot find a single technique that did something else than what an audience expected. Which is what you claim is possible, but I can't think of an example for.

I'd assume a scroll that used 3 real techniques at the start, but had the rest be fake techniques, was put in place so that the fake scroll would be deemed legitimate for stealing, so that the Hokage would be able to then track the thief to the thief's lair for hiring or elimination. Scrolls, are not books, you can't just flip to the end, you have to unroll it. This is a logic point attempt to justify the idea the scroll would be a decoy scroll.
 
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Marlin said:
By "a jutsu that cannot be a jutsu" I meant more "fake jutsu techniques cannot be made, because all jutsu will be jutsu". Which completely eliminates my side of the argument (some or all the techniques are false), and justifying your side that was originally going all the techniques are 100% real.
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I'm pretty sure that's untrue. I VERY much doubt every combination of handsigns will result in a unique and valid jutsu (Beyond, perhaps, the BROADEST definition of jutsu "something you do with chakra"). Especially since, the Handsigns are not actually an inherent part to do jutsu. They are shortcuts to aid in chakra manipulation, but the handsign, itself, is by large meaningless, and with sufficient skill you can just mold your chakra as needed no handsigns required.
Marlin said:
There seems to be some kind of weirdness factor in jutsu techniques, as I cannot find a single technique that did something else than what an audience expected. Which is what you claim is possible, but I can't think of an example for.
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You are looking at this wrong. Consider
1) The types of jutsu we get to see, and when they're used. We haven't ever been in a situation where someone is trying to trick someone about the jutsu they're using, so even if instances existed we would have never seen it.
2) What expectations we'd have about a jutsu. We by large don't go into it HAVING expectations, since we learn about jutsu existing the moment we see them done. While we have never seen someone shout "Water Style", and then do an earth move, how would WE know if the Water Dragon technique that Zabuza used was genuine? Maybe that was just a shoddy knockoff, we would have no way to know.

Marlin said:
I'd assume a scroll that used 3 real techniques at the start, but had the rest be fake techniques, was put in place so that the fake scroll would be deemed legitimate for stealing, so that the Hokage would be able to then track the thief to the thief's lair for hiring or elimination. Scrolls, are not books, you can't just flip to the end, you have to unroll it. This is a logic point attempt to justify the idea the scroll would be a decoy scroll.
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Then have the 3 techniques be not-that-useful techniques. Like, Roof Tile Shuriken Jutsu. That's a real technique, and definitely useful, but not Shadow Clone Jutsu level useful. Or, alternatively, fill up the beginning of your scrolls with long preambles. They will either just have to take the scroll, or spend a good dozen minutes shifting through a bunch of history and stories to get to the first jutsu (basically, pretend it's a food recipe blog, just bury the actual recipe beneath a whole pile of stories and stuff).
 
Trondason said:
I'm pretty sure that's untrue. I VERY much doubt every combination of handsigns will result in a unique and valid jutsu (Beyond, perhaps, the BROADEST definition of jutsu "something you do with chakra"). Especially since, the Handsigns are not actually an inherent part to do jutsu. They are shortcuts to aid in chakra manipulation, but the handsign, itself, is by large meaningless, and with sufficient skill you can just mold your chakra as needed no handsigns required.

You are looking at this wrong. Consider
1) The types of jutsu we get to see, and when they're used. We haven't ever been in a situation where someone is trying to trick someone about the jutsu they're using, so even if instances existed we would have never seen it.
2) What expectations we'd have about a jutsu. We by large don't go into it HAVING expectations, since we learn about jutsu existing the moment we see them done. While we have never seen someone shout "Water Style", and then do an earth move, how would WE know if the Water Dragon technique that Zabuza used was genuine? Maybe that was just a shoddy knockoff, we would have no way to know.


Then have the 3 techniques be not-that-useful techniques. Like, Roof Tile Shuriken Jutsu. That's a real technique, and definitely useful, but not Shadow Clone Jutsu level useful. Or, alternatively, fill up the beginning of your scrolls with long preambles. They will either just have to take the scroll, or spend a good dozen minutes shifting through a bunch of history and stories to get to the first jutsu (basically, pretend it's a food recipe blog, just bury the actual recipe beneath a whole pile of stories and stuff).
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The Possibility of fake jutsu - The debate is over, really. I mean either I take the possibility that there might be a way for fake jutsu to exist because the Naruto world just couldn't show it to the audience, or I take the idea that all jutsu in the Naruto world are possible through willpower, sure willpower isn't everything, but the road to what you want to do with jutsu looks to be willpower. Thus, if a ninja has an idea, chakra, and willpower, they can do anything they want, like the rasengan (The only examples of jutsus that got screwed up, were the tree climbing exercise where it got shown putting too much chakra into a jutsu and too little chakra are possible, the clone technique that Naruto couldn't perform, and Naruto's henge into the third hokage).

The Forbidden Scroll - Wouldn't work. Rambling won't work because the words need to look like a scroll of Seals that can be forbidden, so the User/thief can identify the scroll as the right one. Can't use a complete mundane technique, needs to be something dangerous enough to believably be classed as forbidden or sealed away.
 
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Marlin said:
The Forbidden Scroll - Wouldn't work. Rambling won't work because the words need to look like a scroll of Seals that can be forbidden, so the User/thief can identify the scroll as the right one. Can't use a complete mundane technique, needs to be something dangerous enough to believably be classed as forbidden or sealed away.
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It'd look like the Scroll of Seals if they put said rambling in THAT as well. Put the rambling in all your high-level scrolls, make it almost impossible quickly extract the information forcing you to dedicate time, time that the spy probably doesn't have.

Again, it's simple. "This jutsu makes you immortal! All you have to do is make the Ox-Dragon-Ram-Ox seals, and then focus REALLY hard!" And then, when they TRY it, whoops, turns out the scroll lied. Those hand sign aren't for the Immortality Jutsu, but for the Self-Destruct Jutsu! It's a "real" jutsu, not a fake jutsu, the scroll just lied about WHICH jutsu it was. This would fool anyone that would have thought to do Shadow Clone Jutsu, because the know how to realize "Wait, that'd blow me up!" would also allow them to realize "Wait, that costs a shit-load of chakra!"
 
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Sorry Mister Anbu, but since it's an all or nothing relationship, we gotta go Itachi.

Edit : Just a side-note, we're actually outpacing Canon Itachi thanks to our rolls last time. He took 3 years to go from Genin to Chuunin, and we got several Chuunin rank skills before even officially starting the Academy.
 
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Friendships To Last a Lifetime
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    • Friendships To Last a Lifetime:

    [X]Next to Itachi: He's your best friend, time to claim a seat next to him!

    You found yourself pushing your way through the gaggle of classmates that seemed to enter an argument about who would get to sit next to you or Itachi. You did not know. But you knew that there were only two seats per desk… and they didn't, and knowing standard educational practice, they would be assigned seats for the rest of the term.

    So you did the most sensible thing, you just jumped over everyone and landed onto the chair they were fighting over, smiling at them. "Hello there."

    For a moment you thought you saw a few of the girls looked amazed at you, while the boys shared a look of dismay and inadequacy.

    Itachi himself looked relieved that you came to rescue him. "Hey." He said quietly. "I was wondering when you were going to show up."

    "Well, I was thinking about the ANBU watching us in the corner, but I thought that you needed me nearby to protect you." You stated.

    Itachi looked insulted. "I can protect myself."

    "The horde of people surrounding this chair says otherwise." You stated. "What did they find out?"

    "That I'm the clan heir to one of the more powerful clans of the village. Seems some of their parents are gold diggers." He stated. "They think they can force their daughters to become friends with me, so that in the future, I can get drugged, engage in unconventional and nonconsensual activities with me, and then claim we got married in a ceremony that everyone knows is a sham, but legally the marriage is binding." He stated bluntly.

    Your eyebrow cracked up. "Something tells me that this has happened before with your clan?" you stated.

    "Yeah, …it happened to my Great Uncle Ren on a mission once." He stated.

    "What happened?" You asked.

    "He and Great Auntie Sora were married for thirty years before his death." Itachi replied. "Let's just say she was pregnant with my cousin and the clan welcomed her in with open arms… Though I think after uncle Ren died she was exiled."

    Wow… "Your clan is weird." You stated.

    "Yeah…" He paused. "It's good to see you Shiro."

    It was good to see him too. "Always."

    Class began… and so began the lecture.
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    The lecture was boring. After introductions, they went all-in on the basics. Reading, writing, arithmetic. It was to weed out the dull and the dumb from the smart and gifted, that much you figured out.

    It was also trying to get you to cheat, and recognize the surrounding area to get an advantage. The answers were on the roof, in cipher.

    Everything was easy of course, except grammar, but you were never very good at writing anything longer than a paragraph.

    But Lunch came, and then you were let out to the playground, playfully called, Training Ground Zero by the Staff.

    Itachi was happy and comfortable that you were by his side, and was quite relieved to be out of the classroom. The same sentiment could be shared by most of your classmates.

    What do you do?:

    []Eat Lunch with Itachi: He brought an extra Bento… Awesome!

    []Spend Time with Hana: Hana is eating at the lunch table with a puppy. It looks cute, and she is very happy.

    []The Boy with Blue Hair: He is sitting alone, eating at the swing set that was tied to the branch of the Tree.

    []The ANBU on the Roof: He was hiding, taking notes...as if he was learning from the children… and class.

    []A civilian kid with red hair: The girl arrived late to class today. She seems nice, if a little bit quiet and completely clueless.

    []Might Gai: What is Kakashi's rival doing here? Is he looking for an Apprentice?


    AN: Enjoy.
     
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    • Can we invite Itachi up onto the roof with us? He'd probably appreciate the chance to do something more interesting than get harassed by little girls.
     
    [X]The ANBU on the Roof: He was hiding, taking notes...as if he was learning from the children… and class.​
     
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