Well, since we can still put points in last turn's results:
@KnowledgeKing What would happen if Loki, last turn, beat Thanos' martial roll? Whoild it have ended the combat or would it have gone to another round?

Note: he lost by 2 points.
 
No one said not canon. Just +10.



But that doesn't make sense. Loki's not the head of PF to literally everyone else in the universe.


Kinda not really. Like you can use Loki 100% IC but then things like this do happen, so the complaining OOC doesn't make sense. It's just an unfortunate event. If the complaining OOC is happening then is it not fair to point out OOC that Thanos is...who he is?
He meet them as the face of PF like undercover boss so that makes sense.

Edit: A disarming charm would repel weapons from an enemy hands. What would be the DC of that enchant?
Do enchants have opposing rolls? @KnowledgeKing

edit2: What makes you think we are looking to die? We have legit ways to win this fight and are actively trying to refine it. This system is ruled by dice and so its always possible for a turn around. If we give up we have enough medicine to stabilize them but do you really think Thanos won't imprison them as hostages to avoid repraisal. We won't be able to move them either so no escape unless Loki goes alone. Loki also maybe the richest man alive but most of those assets are physically on Asgard, so if we escape we have nothing. @BioWolf
 
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@KnowledgeKing What would happen if Loki, last turn, beat Thanos' martial roll? Whoild it have ended the combat or would it have gone to another round?

He'd have stolen the communication device.

He meet them as the face of PF like undercover boss so that makes sense.

Edit: A disarming charm would repel weapons from an enemy hands. What would be the DC of that enchant?
Do enchants have opposing rolls? @KnowledgeKing

Yeah he met some people like that...who specified meeting the PF boss. But Thanos said Loki.

Enchantment can't do that. Not in the way you said.

Depending on the Enchantment, it has an opposing roll.


Aren't canon Omakes worth 14 points? Or did you change the value while I was sleeping?

Up to 15.

EDIT: Only reason I don't want to tie it 100% is because then I wouldn't be able to canonized things that should be without just auto-giving the +15.
 
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He'd have stolen the communication device.



Yeah he met some people like that...who specified meeting the PF boss. But Thanos said Loki.

Enchantment can't do that. Not in the way you said.

Depending on the Enchantment, it has an opposing roll.




Up to 15.

EDIT: Only reason I don't want to tie it 100% is because then I wouldn't be able to canonized things that should be without just auto-giving the +15.
The reason why we assumed he met Loki as a member of PF was what happened during the crit. We thought the reason he wanted to meet Loki was he is the face of the company and can pass messages to the boss. The only connections Thanos had to Asgard at this point is PF.

@KnowledgeKing

Edit: What is the DC for a steal enchant?
What would be the opposing roll?
@KnowledgeKing
 
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The reason why we assumed he met Loki as a member of PF was what happened during the crit. We thought the reason he wanted to meet Loki was he is the face of the company and can pass messages to the boss. The only connections Thanos had to Asgard at this point is PF.

@KnowledgeKing

Edit: What is the DC for a steal enchant?
What would be the opposing roll?
@KnowledgeKing

Loki's not the face. Loki is not involved in PF at all. In the public eye. That's been made clear. People even pointed out that he said "Loki" and not "Head of PF" so...I'm not buying that.

No such thing as a steal enchant.
 
Loki's not the face. Loki is not involved in PF at all. In the public eye. That's been made clear. People even pointed out that he said "Loki" and not "Head of PF" so...I'm not buying that.

No such thing as a steal enchant.
Wait so how did he do those actions on the behalf of PF. Like hiring Amora, Elym, Osmond, and setting up branches. Also can we bansh people or objects using enchantment or sealing and bindings.
 
Kinda not really. Like you can use Loki 100% IC but then things like this do happen, so the complaining OOC doesn't make sense. It's just an unfortunate event. If the complaining OOC is happening then is it not fair to point out OOC that Thanos is...who he is?
The problem is that we had absolutely no idea about the meta thing and one of the main complaints about acting OOC which negatively impacted the last quest. You literally used one of the things for this scenario that pissed off people in the last quest. Which doesn't make sense.
I mean...it is supposed to be. Thanos would be terrible at his job if he made things predictable.
Again, this whole thing was pretty much a colossal trap that no one could have seen coming but the issue isn't that Thanos was the one that did this but you the QM who set up the players with a trap option based on reasoning that no one could have guessed because they didn't have your info. I mean you seem to not get that could be serious reason that people feel cheated. If this didn't happen solely based on one minor failure, seriously a freaking invasion is just way too much for just one failure on a financial action and saying yes to see a person when it made sense, but instead of offered hints or made it so that we'd need more actions for something like this to happen and not on very minor things.

It just feels like you are cheating with an unfair advantage against the players with how you are using rules and logic that the players don't understand but you do. It's like the equivalent of playing a game where a player can randomly change the rules whenever they want and the other players don't learn about it until after said rules screw them over. There is a reason why people are calling 'Rocks falls, everyone dies'.

Another major issue with this is that Thanos has shown that he could have just invaded Asgard and succeeded whenever he wanted and could have happened even if we didn't decide to meet with him.

No offense but this whole situation was just badly handled in my opinion and think it would be better to just rewind and undo the whole invasion thing or even the Thanos action. Because the issue isn't the invasion itself but it's how it happened and the reasoning behind it.
 
You literally used one of the things for this scenario that pissed off people in the last quest

I'm confused. What thing?

Another major issue with this is that Thanos has shown that he could have just invaded Asgard and succeeded whenever he wanted and could have happened even if we didn't decide to meet with him.

The invasion failed. You realize that right? Only he and one other person are left. And this is without Thor and Odin. And the Warrior's Three. And Sif.

Again, this whole thing was pretty much a colossal trap that no one could have seen coming but the issue isn't that Thanos was the one that did this but you the QM who set up the players with a trap option based on reasoning that no one could have guessed because they didn't have your info.
?? Thanos did this because that's what he would do. I just gave an option to say no and prevent it.

It just feels like you are cheating with an unfair advantage against the players with how you are using rules and logic that the players don't understand but you do. It's like the equivalent of playing a game where a player can randomly change the rules whenever they want and the other players don't learn about it until after said rules screw them over. There is a reason why people are calling 'Rocks falls, everyone dies'.

I can't cheat. I would just win. I control everything. No rules got changed with this. Thanos just had a plan. He executed it. It worked too well. Asgard still won. Thanos just took care of key things by throwing numbers and tech at it.
 
I'm confused. What thing?



The invasion failed. You realize that right? Only he and one other person are left. And this is without Thor and Odin. And the Warrior's Three. And Sif.


?? Thanos did this because that's what he would do. I just gave an option to say no and prevent it.



I can't cheat. I would just win. I control everything. No rules got changed with this. Thanos just had a plan. He executed it. It worked too well. Asgard still won. Thanos just took care of key things by throwing numbers and tech at it.
You didn't tell us spies can be subverted, you only clued us in to not being able to spy on high up government things. You also didn't give the option to improve our spies only to buy assassin's. Also this invasion did succeed if Odin and Thor was here they still would have to deal with Titans army and Thanos himself.

Edit: if Loki ran away would he still have access to PF and his riches? @KnowledgeKing
 
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I'm confused. What thing?
The whole Amora thing including the players not having info that would have really changed things and how OOC reasoning negatively affected Loki's choices with Amora. Basically the original meta reasons for people being against Amora were wrong last quest so it's really infuriating that in this quest OOC was needed.
?? Thanos did this because that's what he would do. I just gave an option to say no and prevent it.
You aren't getting the issue in that Thanos could have still literally done this anytime without meeting Loki all because of a single failed bad roll on a freaking stewardship action. It seems ridiculous that this whole thing happened like this.
The invasion failed. You realize that right? Only he and one other person are left. And this is without Thor and Odin. And the Warrior's Three. And Sif.

I can't cheat. I would just win. I control everything. No rules got changed with this. Thanos just had a plan. He executed it. It worked too well. Asgard still won. Thanos just took care of key things by throwing numbers and tech at it.
Problem is that Frigga and Odin might as well be dead which means that Hela is getting out and even beyond that Thanos could now have access to both Gungir and Heimdall's sword and his boosted merc along with an infinity stone. So those two could take on the entirety of Asgard themselves. This is pretty much a colossal loss no matter how you look at it and just makes all out success seem pointless and even detrimental because this happened because of our success.
 
You didn't tell us spies can be subverted, you only clued us in to not being able to spy on high up government things. You also didn't give the option to improve our spies only to buy assassin's. Also this invasion did succeed if Odin and Thor was here they still would have to deal with Titans army and Thanos himself.

Edit: if Loki ran away would he still have access to PF and his riches? @KnowledgeKing

That's like...a thing. Spies can be subverted. And by subverted I mean fed false info. There's nothing you can do to prevent that. Literally. Nothing.

Thanos doesn't consider this invasion a success. Him alone versus Asgard's remaining army is not something he wants. He's not Hela.

Yeah eventually he could get the main riches back. I don't see the reason to run.

The whole Amora thing including the players not having info that would have really changed things and how OOC reasoning negatively affected Loki's choices with Amora. Basically the original meta reasons for people being against Amora were wrong last quest so it's really infuriating that in this quest OOC was needed.

You didn't need anything. He's just Thanos.

You aren't getting the issue in that Thanos could have still literally done this anytime without meeting Loki all because of a single failed bad roll on a freaking stewardship action. It seems ridiculous that this whole thing happened like this.

Well no. The plan was to get Loki on his side. Doing it without meeting Loki doesn't make sense. Invading when Asgard is at full power is very stupid and gets him killed. He literally cannot do this any other time.

And the failure isn't the deal. It's not a game mechanic. It's a Thanos mechanic. It like if you got on Dr. Doom's radar or Galactus' radar. You did nothing wrong technically besides being on the radar. But it still arrives. It's...inevitable.

Problem is that Frigga and Odin might as well be dead which means that Hela is getting out and even beyond that Thanos could now have access to both Gungir and Heimdall's sword and his boosted merc along with an infinity stone. So those two could take on the entirety of Asgard themselves.

They cannot take on the rest of Asgard. That's false. Frigga and Odin can be healed. Only thing truly lost are Heimdall, Hofund, and Gungnir.
 
If you were going to do something like this out of no where you should have had a disaster roll. Roll for something we do to negatively impact us. At least that would give players a way to gauge what's coming. For example we fail the Titan roll, you could have easily said it was the king's decision and he kept the rejection in the court. Instead you said Thanos somehow found out and started stealing. You could have had a roll to see how bad the failure was. I would understand if we got his attention after a bad fail but we barely failed which should have been maybe Loki was too busy. @KnowledgeKing
 
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[x] Trickster is still my motherf***ing middle name.
-[x] Agree to take the medicine and reach down for it.
-[x] When in close proximity go for the kill (hopefully it is a one-shot) [add my +12]
-[x] Take all the weapons and rush to Odin's chamber to administer the medicine.
--[x] Make the Destroyer switch position with you. Thanos would be on your tail.
Huge problem with that, what if the merc isn't stupid enough to get close to the warrior prince whose kingdom he invaded and who killed his people and/or suspects that said prince is going to attack him? That plan doesn't seem to take that into account.
 
Huge problem with that, what if the merc isn't stupid enough to get close to the warrior prince whose kingdom he invaded and who killed his people and/or suspects that said prince is going to attack him? That plan doesn't seem to take that into account.
I think we should talk him in to getting closer and the dice rules all so does the intelligence of the Merc matter?
 
If you were going to do something like this out of no where you should have had a disaster roll. Roll for something we do to negatively impact us. At least that would give players a way to gauge what's coming. For example we fail the Titan roll, you could have easily said it was the king's decision and he kept the rejection in the court. Instead you said Thanos somehow found out and started stealing. You could have had a roll to see how bad the failure was. I would understand if we got his attention after a bad fail but we barely failed which should have been maybe Loki was too busy

The failure mentioned a young upstart noticing you. That was Thanos. And it did say that the rulers decided not to allow it btw. He wasn't King yet.
 
I think we should talk him in to getting closer and the dice rules all so does the intelligence of the Merc matter?
I'd say yes because he'd have to be really stupid to not suspect that the warrior prince whose kingdom he invaded, whose people he killed and whose parents he seriously injured would not be remotely happy and may seriously want to take a shot at him if given the chance. Especially since he is stealing some really valuable artifacts and weapons belonging to said kingdom. Rather people not make the mistake of seriously underestimating our enemies since that never goes well.
Thanos doesn't consider this invasion a success. Him alone versus Asgard's remaining army is not something he wants. He's not Hela.

They cannot take on the rest of Asgard. That's false. Frigga and Odin can be healed. Only thing truly lost are Heimdall, Hofund, and Gungnir.
At least this is nice to hear in that us not fighting doesn't mean that we give up the kingdom like how some people have been saying. Worst case scenario they escape but we can get them later. Best case the rest of the army manages to take them out or at least the merc and reclaim the treasures which also means that Thanos would be trapped on Asgard without a way to use the Bifrost.
 
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