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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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Darkcore41 said:
If we gave up would Thanos bring in the Titan invasion fleet and take over Asgard? @KnowledgeKing
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Do you really need to keep doing that? I'm not even saying giving up, but just not fighting a guy we are likely going to die fighting when we have other options. Like say hoping the rest of the Asgardian army deals with them or at least one of them which would make things far easier.

And once again you keep conveniently ignoring other details like how prioritizing Odin's survival makes a lot of sense if only to prevent Hela from coming back which wold be way worse than Thanos considering how bad things are.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Do you really need to keep doing that? I'm not even saying giving up, but just not fighting a guy we are likely going to die fighting when we have other options. Like say hoping the rest of the Asgardian army deals with them or at least one of them which would make things far easier.

And once again you keep conveniently ignoring other details like how prioritizing Odin's survival makes a lot of sense if only to prevent Hela from coming back which wold be way worse than Thanos considering how bad things are.
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No you keep on ignoring the fact that we have other ways and fighting isn't necessarily death. We can use intrigue to attack or binding to stabilize wounds. That medicine isnt the only way. Even if we secure Odin Thanos currently is stronger then him with all of those artifacts. He also controls the exit to Asgard and has a fleet waiting to come in. At least if we kill the Merc we get the artifacts and medicine. If we fail then Hela is easier to deal with then someone just as strong but more intelligent.
 
Darkcore41 said:
No my point is that close failure before that amounted to Loki not having the time. So you just changed what it meant just to set up this while event.

If we gave up would Thanos bring in the Titan invasion fleet and take over Asgard? @KnowledgeKing
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Nope. Had nothing to do with this event. This event wasn't even an idea at the time. I just tailor the failure to the roll/action in question. And decide what it meant. Titan obviously has Thanos involved. That's about it.

Depends on how/when you gave up. But not fighting the Merc and using the medicine? No.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Even if we secure Odin Thanos currently is stronger then him with all of those artifacts.
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Thanos DOES NOT HAVE THE ARTIFACTS — see here:

KnowledgeKing said:
Peculiarly on the way there, Loki hears first steps, so he slows his run, for only a moment, to observe. Walking towards him is what appears to be mercenary, though it's a bit more decorated than the others, probably their leader. On him, the mercenary leader has Gungnir (Odin's trusty spear), Hofund (Heimdall's sword), and an unknown Scepter that glows blue. The mercenary leader approaches Loki and stops about thirty meters away. Loki goes to pounce on him, when he speaks in a deep, scrambled voice.

"Loki of Asgard. You have a choice set before you. You can attempt to take me down, and disarm me of my weapons, or...you can save the lives of your parents. I have inflicted upon them both, grievous and mortal injuries, and if you do not hurry and give them medical aid, they will perish. I lay before you, on the ground next to me, medicine that can stabilize them and allow them to live long enough for medical treatment. But only if it is brought to them immediately. As you are Asgardians, I have been...thorough in my attack, and thus every second counts. So choose. Fight me or save your parents. I will honor either decision."
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Darkcore41 said:
No you keep on ignoring the fact that we have other ways and fighting isn't necessarily death. We can use intrigue to attack or binding to stabilize wounds. That medicine isnt the only way. Even if we secure Odin Thanos currently is stronger then him with all of those artifacts. He also controls the exit to Asgard and has a fleet waiting to come in. At least if we kill the Merc we get the artifacts and medicine. If we fail then Hela is easier to deal with then someone just as strong but more intelligent.
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Dude you are doing it again, with all the doom and gloom even when the QM outright says that that isn't the case. You fear monger by saying things like we would definitely lose if we don't do things this way which repeatedly gets disproven repeatedly by the QM. Hell this:
KnowledgeKing said:
Depends on how/when you gave up. But not fighting the Merc and using the medicine? No.
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Proves that you were once again wrong in that not fighting the Merc and using the medicine wouldn't lead to Thanos conquering Asgard. Though your real issue is that you outright refuse to see any other option that isn't fighting no matter what even when it seems the odds are really against us and we have other options like say not fighting. Not helped with how you keep deliberately wordings things in a way to shame people that consider not fighting a legit option.

And no, Hela would be worse considering that it took Surtur destroying Asgard to stop her. Here the rest of the Asgardian army would actually kill Thanos.
 
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The merc put the medicine next to him, so I would say it's close enough for us to attempt something. Though he isn't stupid enough to not expect that of course. So what will it be? Will we try to beat him at Intrigue, at Speed or at pure Martial?
 
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@KnowledgeKing: So how would Thanos have reacted if Loki did snatch the communication device? Like would it be better or worse for us to have taken it?
 
@KnowledgeKing can you explain the army buying as well planet options. How does it work. Do we get resources to mine on the planet?

Was the merc army attacking the one we could hire?

Also was thanos behind the invasion?
 
Let's see the tally
Adhoc vote count started by Shark8 on Dec 15, 2019 at 4:55 PM, finished with 200 posts and 15 votes.
  • [x] Trickster is still my motherf***ing middle name.
    [X] Attack him. He's lying
    [X] Believe the mercenary leader and take the medicine to his parents
    [X] All or Nothing
    -[X]Attempt to trick the Merc in to physical contact
    -- [X] Seal the memory of how to control his limbs.
    --- [X] Pick up weapons.
    --- [X] Kill him
    --- [X] Get medicine
    --- [X] Run to Frigga and Odin heal them.
    --- [X] Bring destroyer to Loki
    - [X] If sealing fails use strikes to make him drop the weapons as a priority, go for the kill whenever possible.
    [x] Trickster is still my motherf***ing middle name.
    -[x] Agree to take the medicine and reach down for it.
    -[x] When in close proximity go for the kill (hopefully it is a one-shot) [add my +12]
    -[x] Take all the weapons and rush to Odin's chamber to administer the medicine.
    --[x] Make the Destroyer switch position with you. Thanos would be on your tail.
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Sena Kumo said:
The merc put the medicine next to him, so I would say it's close enough for us to attempt something. Though he isn't stupid enough to not expect that of course. So what will it be? Will we try to beat him at Intrigue, at Speed or at pure Martial?
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Also should probably be extremely wary about him also trying something as well. Personally I suggest asking him to get some distance from the medicine so that he won't be able to try any funny business. If he refuses than that it suspect. Also how good is our danger detection ring again?
 
Red Bovine said:
Dude you are doing it again, with all the doom and gloom even when the QM outright says that that isn't the case. You fear monger by saying things like we would definitely lose if we don't do things this way which repeatedly gets disproven repeatedly by the QM. Hell this:

Proves that you were once again wrong in that not fighting the Merc and using the medicine wouldn't lead to Thanos conquering Asgard. Though your real issue is that you outright refuse to see any other option that isn't fighting no matter what even when it seems the odds are really against us and we have other options like say not fighting. Not helped with how you keep deliberately wordings things in a way to shame people that consider not fighting a legit option.

And no, Hela would be worse considering that it took Surtur destroying Asgard to stop her. Here the rest of the Asgardian army would actually kill Thanos.
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You are also fear mongering by saying we will die if we fight and we can use binding to stabilize Odin. If we go the artifacts go to Thanos, so for those who says he doesn't have it what do you think the Merc is going to do when we leave?
 
Darkcore41 said:
You are also fear mongering by saying we will die if we fight and we can use binding to stabilize Odin. If we go the artifacts go to Thanos, so for those who says he doesn't have it what do you think the Merc is going to do when we leave?
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I'm not saying that we will die if we fight. I was pointing out that it seems like a really bad idea with how outmatched we are, that we don't actually need to fight and pointing out that we do have other options. Hell, I pointed out that the rest of the army could stop them as confirmed by the QM.
 
Kkutlord said:
@KnowledgeKing: So how would Thanos have reacted if Loki did snatch the communication device? Like would it be better or worse for us to have taken it?
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He'd be disappointed and probably follow Loki. Loki would find the Merc Leader holding Frigga at scepter-point. And might be able to sneak attack.

Mostlyblue said:
@KnowledgeKing can you explain the army buying as well planet options. How does it work. Do we get resources to mine on the planet?

Was the merc army attacking the one we could hire?

Also was thanos behind the invasion?
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You buy a planet, own it, can set up anything you want on it, get its resources and can get options to mine it. All types of stuff. Maybe even your own kingdom if you want it.

Army's like...you buy an army. Kinda like Chitauri or something. No this merc army is something else.

Yeah.
Sena Kumo said:
@KnowledgeKing, when will you call the vote?
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Not sure tbh. Might let it go to tomorrow morning to get back on schedule.
 
Well, I feel quite refreshed after a couple of hours of sleep.

Darkcore41 said:
@Sanas22 ok we got our DCs, personally I think we should seal the mercs hands to make him stop using weapons/artifacts for dc60 and use omake points for that and the opposing roll.
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A sound idea.
Only if The Merc Leader didn't have that 'special something' that makes certain things not work on him.
And also the time delay worries me.

Sena Kumo said:
Soooo, hiw are we going to deal with the Merc? One shot? Limb disabling?
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For One-Shot we need 30 more than the opposed martial roll.

Red Bovine said:
Huge problem with that, what if the merc isn't stupid enough to get close to the warrior prince whose kingdom he invaded and who killed his people and/or suspects that said prince is going to attack him? That plan doesn't seem to take that into account.
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TBH, if we believe the Merc Leader... he is as insane as Thanos. He carved up Odin and Frigga... just so he could secure his retreat. From who you ask? Here it is Loki, but originally it was Thanos. Thanos doesn't know that the Merc Leader went off his rockers and did this. For all Thanos knows... his last command was to call off the Merc Leader.

Red Bovine said:
Do you really need to keep doing that? I'm not even saying giving up, but just not fighting a guy we are likely going to die fighting when we have other options. Like say hoping the rest of the Asgardian army deals with them or at least one of them which would make things far easier.

And once again you keep conveniently ignoring other details like how prioritizing Odin's survival makes a lot of sense if only to prevent Hela from coming back which wold be way worse than Thanos considering how bad things are.
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Um... he is kinda right. QM has commented early on how Thanos can call for backup from the Titan, which he believes would take an hour to get to Asgard. And double down on the attack to win this whole war.

Red Bovine said:
Also should probably be extremely wary about him also trying something as well. Personally I suggest asking him to get some distance from the medicine so that he won't be able to try any funny business. If he refuses than that it suspect. Also how good is our danger detection ring again?
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This is a really good suggestion. @KnowledgeKing Can our danger detection ring detect any negative emotions of the Merc Leader?
 
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Red Bovine said:
Also should probably be extremely wary about him also trying something as well. Personally I suggest asking him to get some distance from the medicine so that he won't be able to try any funny business. If he refuses than that it suspect. Also how good is our danger detection ring again?
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Of course he may try something. The only I way would see him not to would be if either he was a fucking moron or we were able to outspeed him. The latter is far more likely really.
Sanas22 said:
For One-Shot we need 30 more than the opposed martial roll.
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...I have that, but I don't want to give it. Thankfuly there are others.
KnowledgeKing said:
Not sure tbh. Might let it go to tomorrow morning to get back on schedule.
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Can you tell me what hour is in your region? 'Cuz your morning might be my night.
 
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