Taking the Mickey: A Save Disney Quest

-[x] Bonnet Creek

I feel like slotting the hotel into other stuff we're doing - the monorail line and the shopping district - is a good idea at this point. Keep it to Medium size, keep it small, keep it cheap, keep everything as one cohesive whole.

Edit: @Slynnwen about how many rooms for a value hotel do the sizes correspond to?
 
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Hotel Sizes
Edit: @Slynnwen about how many rooms for a value hotel do the sizes correspond to?
Small: 250-400
Medium: 500-750
Large: 900-1500
Huge: 1600+

Total number of rooms may be reduced by upgrading some to family suites, or by sacrificing some of the building area for extra luxuries (larger pools, sports facilities, etc.).
 
-[X] Southern Edge: This location is far removed from your current parks and points of interest, and would be expensive to bring a monorail to. However, it's practically guaranteed to be out of the way of any future park developments, and cheap as hell to develop. Plus, it lets you save the other locations for better quality hotels. +10 Board Approval, slight increase to all park attendance. Size: Up to Huge.
 
The Rhine River Cruise critfail kind of stings, but better that than something more critical.

Since it costs more successes now, it might be a good idea to forget it and go with something else. Action poverty is real.
 
[D] Bonnet Creek

Seems like the highest profit margins, what with the low cost of monorail integration and proximity to both EPCOT Center and the shopping district (Walt Disney World Village?).

EDIT 9/1/2019: On second thought, changing my vote to
[X] Southern Edge
because it'll have a bigger payoff in the long run.
 
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The Rhine River Cruise critfail kind of stings, but better that than something more critical.

Since it costs more successes now, it might be a good idea to forget it and go with something else. Action poverty is real.
There's no ride in EPCOT that finishes sooner though. The Mt. Fuji Coaster takes just as long.
 
-[X] Southern Edge: This location is far removed from your current parks and points of interest, and would be expensive to bring a monorail to. However, it's practically guaranteed to be out of the way of any future park developments, and cheap as hell to develop. Plus, it lets you save the other locations for better quality hotels. +10 Board Approval, slight increase to all park attendance. Size: Up to Huge.
 
[X] Southern Edge: This location is far removed from your current parks and points of interest, and would be expensive to bring a monorail to. However, it's practically guaranteed to be out of the way of any future park developments, and cheap as hell to develop. Plus, it lets you save the other locations for better quality hotels. +10 Board Approval, slight increase to all park attendance. Size: Up to Huge.
 
The board wants us to build a value hotel bigger; is better in that regard. We might want reserve the other locations for more luxury.

[X] Southern Edge
 
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Um, I wanted to inform everybody that we will get a huricane in june
there will be a few hurricanes pass over Florida according to Wikipedia Weather forecasters in Tommorowland after june 1985 I don't know if any of those pass over Disney world.

Also I heard Time travelers say something about Floyd in 1999.

When do we want to build hurricane shelters?
 
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Um, I wanted to inform everybody that we will get a huricane in june
there will be a few hurricanes pass over Florida according to Wikipedia Weather forecasters in Tommorowland after june 1985 I don't know if any of those pass over Disney world.
If you're looking specifically at hurricanes that might affect Disney in 1985, you're looking at Bob, a Cat 1 that didn't cause too much damage, and Elena, a Cat 3 that was basically impossible to track because of how erratically it moved, and was damaging enough that it got the name retired.

EDIT: Also Elena has the wonderful distinction of being one of the few storms that got Disney World to close, at 5pm on Aug 31st, 1985.
 
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There's an action for hurricane prep, I think? Yeah, might be worth the investment.
 
The vote will be closing in 4 hours or so. Part Two should be up either then or shortly thereafter.

Also, to clarify a bit more on the monorail extensions for each location:
Crescent Lake: A minor diversion from existing lines, would only cost a quarter of initial projected monorail expansion budget (still bringing the cost in at 75% initial estimates).
Bay Lake: The same as Crescent Lake.
Bonnet Creek: Lies directly on top of existing expansion to the shopping village, cost of monorail expansion ends up being 50% of initial estimate.
Southern Edge: Lies nearly twice the distance from existing lines that the shopping district does, in a completely different direction. Comes in at 150% initial monorail expansion estimates. However, this is likely to be one of the cheapest chances you'll ever get at an expansion opportunity to the south, and doing this now will make it easier to bring the monorail system to more southern hotels and parks later.
 
[X] Southern Edge: This location is far removed from your current parks and points of interest, and would be expensive to bring a monorail to. However, it's practically guaranteed to be out of the way of any future park developments, and cheap as hell to develop. Plus, it lets you save the other locations for better quality hotels. +10 Board Approval, slight increase to all park attendance. Size: Up to Huge.
 
[X] Southern Edge: This location is far removed from your current parks and points of interest, and would be expensive to bring a monorail to. However, it's practically guaranteed to be out of the way of any future park developments, and cheap as hell to develop. Plus, it lets you save the other locations for better quality hotels. +10 Board Approval, slight increase to all park attendance. Size: Up to Huge.
 
"The Only Way to Stay, Part 2"
-[X] Southern Edge: This location is far removed from your current parks and points of interest, and would be expensive to bring a monorail to. However, it's practically guaranteed to be out of the way of any future park developments, and cheap as hell to develop. +10 Board Approval, slight increase to all park attendance. Size: Up to Huge.

Current Plan Benefits: +10 Board Approval, slight increase to all park attendance.


In the end, though, you decide to go with the spot furthest from your current developments. It might be a bit more of a pain to get to and from, but this won't interfere with any future development plans, and it's much easier to work on a relatively clean slate. On top of that, the other sites might be better served by a more upscale hotel later.

"Let's go with the Southern Edge." You say.

Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk looks at you. "You're certain?" She asks.

"I'm pretty sure. Lots of open land, don't have to worry about bringing construction equipment near the operating parks, won't interfere with future development projects." You answer.

There were a few raised eyebrows at your decision, but the group all shrugs at your explanation and moves on. Laurinda Spear is the next person who steps up to speak. "Well, there's certainly a lot of space down there. What sort of size were you looking for?" She starts outlining some different areas. "There's enough room to easily expand if you want to start small, but it shouldn't be too difficult to go with something larger from the beginning." She pauses for a moment. "You could even fit in several pretty massive complexes, if you wanted to have several similarly themed hotels in the area."

"Well, I was thinking something along the lines of this…" You walk over to the map and begin pointing some things out.

-[] Small: You can start small and work your way up. This might not have quite the capacity you want, but it'd be a good way to test how much interest there is in a value offering at Disney. +0 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 5 successes. Expected Construction time: 5 successes.

-[] Medium: You want a solid sized hotel. You know there's going to be a good chunk of interest, this is Disney World you're talking about. However, you don't want to overcommit in case you're wildly off base. +5 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 10 successes. Expected Construction time: 10 successes.

-[] Large: You want a high capacity hotel. You're going to see a lot more guests by giving a value option, and the extra room space means you can convert some of them into family suites. +0 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 15 successes. Expected Construction time: 20 successes.

-[] Huge: You want to go all in. If you build it, they will come. This will be expensive, and it's a bit of risk, but you're confident that a budget version of the usual Disney experience will be miles better than anything offered by off property hotels, and attract tons of guests. -5 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 20 successes. Expected Construction time: 30 successes.


Andrés Duany looks up from the map, and glances over at you. "Were you planning on having a monorail connection here?" He asks. "I can try to come up with some station designs for you if you were going to add the connection."

You look back down at the map. It'd be a bit far, but it might be worth it.

-[] Yes. You're unlikely to get a better deal on a monorail expansion than what you're already getting for the expansion to the shopping village, and adding in this hotel at the same time will be cheaper than trying to do it later. The board might gripe at this initial cost outlay, but doing this now and laying the groundwork for a further expansion of the system to anything else built to the south is too good a deal to pass up. -5 Board Approval. Increased guest stays at hotel once built, increased park attendance to all monorail locations.

-[] No. You want to save the money from the monorail deal and see about putting it towards something else later. It's not impossible that you'll get a better chance at extending the line down here in the future. It might even be better to slowly build out the line naturally as you continue development towards the south, instead of going for this one big extension all at once. +5 Board Approval.


AN: This vote is open for at least 24 hours. Next vote will be on theming, details (things like restaurant, room distribution, and luxuries like pools), and one other thing.
 
-[X] Medium: You want a solid sized hotel. You know there's going to be a good chunk of interest, this is Disney World you're talking about. However, you don't want to overcommit in case you're wildly off base. +5 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 10 successes. Expected Construction time: 10 successes.

-[X] Yes. You're unlikely to get a better deal on a monorail expansion than what you're already getting for the expansion to the shopping village, and adding in this hotel at the same time will be cheaper than trying to do it later. The board might gripe at this initial cost outlay, but doing this now and laying the groundwork for a further expansion of the system to anything else built to the south is too good a deal to pass up. -5 Board Approval. Increased guest stays at hotel once built, increased park attendance to all monorail locations.
 
-[X] Medium: You want a solid sized hotel. You know there's going to be a good chunk of interest, this is Disney World you're talking about. However, you don't want to overcommit in case you're wildly off base. +5 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 10 successes. Expected Construction time: 10 successes.

-[X] Yes. You're unlikely to get a better deal on a monorail expansion than what you're already getting for the expansion to the shopping village, and adding in this hotel at the same time will be cheaper than trying to do it later. The board might gripe at this initial cost outlay, but doing this now and laying the groundwork for a further expansion of the system to anything else built to the south is too good a deal to pass up. -5 Board Approval. Increased guest stays at hotel once built, increased park attendance to all monorail locations.


Also, something different from the vote. I want to share this video, since it has information that can actually help us going forward.



What do you think?
 
-[X] Medium: You want a solid sized hotel. You know there's going to be a good chunk of interest, this is Disney World you're talking about. However, you don't want to overcommit in case you're wildly off base. +5 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 10 successes. Expected Construction time: 10 successes.

-[X] Yes. You're unlikely to get a better deal on a monorail expansion than what you're already getting for the expansion to the shopping village, and adding in this hotel at the same time will be cheaper than trying to do it later. The board might gripe at this initial cost outlay, but doing this now and laying the groundwork for a further expansion of the system to anything else built to the south is too good a deal to pass up. -5 Board Approval. Increased guest stays at hotel once built, increased park attendance to all monorail locations.
 
-[X] Medium: You want a solid sized hotel. You know there's going to be a good chunk of interest, this is Disney World you're talking about. However, you don't want to overcommit in case you're wildly off base. +5 Board Approval. Expected Groundbreaking time: 10 successes. Expected Construction time: 10 successes.

-[x] No. You want to save the money from the monorail deal and see about putting it towards something else later. It's not impossible that you'll get a better chance at extending the line down here in the future. It might even be better to slowly build out the line naturally as you continue development towards the south, instead of going for this one big extension all at once. +5 Board Approval.
 
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