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Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]

Kotone's Starter Choice

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[x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
→ [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
→ → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
→ → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
→ → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
→ → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
→ → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
→ → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
→ → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
→ → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
→ → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
 
And the forest ones. Ended up running some comparisons to the Oddish lines, because they're all Grass types and we've discussed Oddish to death, so I didn't want to have to rehash it all.

- Bellsprout: the weirdo epyleptic plant. Unlike most Grass-types, these things are actually carnivores, so expect some aggression. Not enough data to talk about ease of capture, but maybe something with bait? If you're going for this, might as well go for Oddish.

Basically, alternate Oddish. Smells sweet, rather than stinky. Probably just as bad for stealth. Also, learns Power Whip, Sucker Punch, Clear Smog, and Leech Life. Naturally learns Swords Dance. Is more of a physical fighter than the Oddish line.

Exeggute: Telepathic eggs that hatch into a telepathic tree. Not making this up, I swear.
These are actually six autonomous Pokémon, though count as one. Will telephatically call for help and form swarms when threatened. Notable in that we actually CAN poison this one, since it's not a poison type.

About as fast as a group of telepathic eggs can be expected to be. Surprisingly tough. Learnset includes Hypnosis, all the Powders, Psybeam, Leech Seed, and Reflect. Learns Solar Beam, which Belossom doesn't. Somehow.

Upon becoming Exeggutor, it looks even dorkier-looking, and can learn Power Whip and Egg Bomb. It's not fast, but it hits HARD.

Tangela: the bipedal seaweed to Oddish's bipedal bush. Despite looking idiotic, it's stronger than Gloom?! It's apparently medium-rare (as opposed to the first two mon's not-rare and the last three's very-rare. Also I'm hungry.) Also not a poison type, feel free to poison it.

Has good attack, and is tougher than it looks (base defense stat 115). It's not fast, but it's faster than Gloom. Learns the basic pack of powder moves, Mega Drain, Power Whip, and Leech Seed. Also learns Knockoff and an incredibly important coverage move in Ancientpower, hitting four of it's five weaknesses super-effectively. Learns Grassy Terrain, can be used as a poor man's cleric.

Upon evolving, becomes as strong as Charizard and Blastoise, though more similar to the latter than the former, in that it's insanely hard to kill. Will regenerate lost limbs.

Paras: the mind-control mushroom pokémon. The scariest thing about this thing is that it's based in real life (see Brazilian Zombie Ants). Being an insect with a fungus stealing most of it's nutrients, it's not likely to be long-lived. Probably solitary, likely easy to trap. Susceptible to poison, but not as much as the pure grass types.

The weakest thing in this freaking jungle. And yes, that's including Oddish. It has poor typing and even it's evolution has underwhelming stats. Combat-wise, it's a poor pick. HOWEVER, it's one of the only things ever to learn Spore, Sleep Powder's bigger and meaner cousin. Also learns all other spore moves, even Rage Powder, and Aromatherapy.

With Effect Spore as it's ability, this Pokémon is actually very good at the whole status-inflicting thing. Offensive moves include Cross Poison, X-Scissors, and Giga Drain. Dry Skin means it's even weaker to fire than it's four times weakness might indicate, so don't light matches near it. However, it also makes it immune to water, so there's something.

Not a good combatant, but possibly the best poison-producer.

Venonat: It's a gnat. Why does it look more like a purple fluff-ball instead of an actual gnat, you ask? Shrugs. A nocturnal predator, instinctively attracted to light. Really easy to bait a trap, and weak enough that it might just work. Just be careful you don't attract the attention of anything more dangerous.

It's weak, as all bugs are. However, it's packing utility to the gills. It boasts all powders, Disable, Supersonic, Confusion, and Leech Life. Naturally learns Psychic, despite being an insect. Has a pair of very useful abilities in Compoundeyes and Tinted Lens. It's actually only weak to 4 types, and resistant to 5.

When it evolves, becomes able to fly, decently strong (bit weaker than Belossom), and able to learn Gust, Agility and Quiver Dance. If Gust and powder moves sounds like a stupidly exploitable combo, that's because it is.

If Paras is the best for poisoning, this might be one if the best for ninja-ing in general.

Scyther: The scythes for hands look cool, until you realize, how does it hold or open anything? Won't discuss it too much, it's already been discussed. Will add that the pokédex entries literally call it a ninja. It's strong, it's incredibly rare, it's cool-looking, fits our theme, and if I'm being honest, might be way too much trouble.

Immensely strong and fast, Scyther suffers from a shallow movepool and poor typing. It has 5 weaknesses to 4 resistances (Ground immunity). Not a strong enough flyer to carry us.

Pinsir: Just as rare and strong as Scyther, but somehow worse. Has a habit of burrying in tree roots at night, so if we can find one, we might follow it and lay traps?

It's a pure bug-type, but thinks it's a fighting type. Poor man's Heracross.

Nope.
 
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My labor done, I will now vote. If anyone wants to start a Tangela train, talk to me. Otherwise, nevermind me while I vote for this Poliwag:

[x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
→ [x] Poliwag (preliminary)

Edit: or a Venonat train. Or an Exeggcute train. Or a Rhyhorn train. Or a Tauros train. Or a Slowpoke train. Or a Nidoran train. It's just, Gloom literally stinks.
 
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Lab_Accident said:
If anyone wants to start a Tangela train
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Sounds like a mess :V

Yeah poliwag would give us two evo paths, so I'm gonna say it's a good choice! Is amphibious, can hit pretty hard for its size, and is water type, meaning only electric and grass weakness! Probably quite fast as well, especially if it gets something like rain dance/swift swim!
 
Really, if Poliwag loses on this round I'm bringing it right back up as our second, it's excellent and grass->water is an easy fight.
Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 19, 2019 at 8:26 PM, finished with 931 posts and 11 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    - [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 19, 2019 at 8:44 PM, finished with 934 posts and 12 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    - [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 19, 2019 at 8:47 PM, finished with 936 posts and 13 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    - [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 19, 2019 at 9:19 PM, finished with 937 posts and 13 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    - [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 19, 2019 at 9:33 PM, finished with 938 posts and 13 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 19, 2019 at 9:40 PM, finished with 940 posts and 14 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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Adhoc vote count started by Wysteria on Jun 19, 2019 at 10:55 PM, finished with 941 posts and 15 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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Plausitivity said:
Sounds like a mess :V

Yeah poliwag would give us two evo paths, so I'm gonna say it's a good choice! Is amphibious, can hit pretty hard for its size, and is water type, meaning only electric and grass weakness! Probably quite fast as well, especially if it gets something like rain dance/swift swim!
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It doesn't. It gets Water Absorb, which is even better.
 
Lab_Accident said:
It doesn't. It gets Water Absorb, which is even better.
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True, though aren't there hidden abilities too? Stuff like damp can be goo if we don't one shot geodudes. Either way, Poliwag should be great, hopefully without too bad of a quirk. It apparently has thin but flexible skin (fangs bounce off it!), and is faster in water than out (cuz it's a tadpole).
Adhoc vote count started by Plausitivity on Jun 19, 2019 at 8:51 PM, finished with 936 posts and 13 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    - [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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[X] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
→ [X] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
→ → [X] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
→ → [X] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
→ → [X] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
→ → [X] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
→ → [X] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
→ → [X] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
→ → [X] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
→ → [X] I'm concerned about Gloom's scent, but I understand I can train it not to smell. How difficult is that training, and can you tell me more about it?
→ → [X] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
→ → [X] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
→ → [X] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
→ → [X] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
 
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[x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
→ [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
→ → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
→ → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
→ → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
→ → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
→ → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
→ → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
→ → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
→ → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
→ → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?

Gloom stinks, but I don't mind, really. According to the pokedex, the stinkier the gloom, the prettier the bellossom it becomes, which is a pretty cute concept.

wdango said:
Bellossom
Health : 76
STR : 10
AGI : 5
INT : 13
TYPE : GRASS

Medicinal Spores
Naturally recovers from Poison, Paralysis, and Sleep. This effect may be extended to other units.
Chlorophyll
Doubles AGI in harsh sunlight.
Dancer
Increases basic accuracy and evasion while dancing
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Bellossom gets faster in sunlight. It also gets Dancer, which increases accuracy and evasion: our attacks are more likely to hit, and enemy attacks are more likely to be dodged.

Lastly, there's Healer, which I now realize is pretty valuable. From the privilege and authority Chansey enjoys in the Safari zone, I'm pretty sure pokemon with healing capabilities are rather rare.
 
Lab_Accident said:
We could probably pick up a Poliwag anywhere, really. Could I interest you in consolidating around Rhyhorn instead? Nothing is cooler than riding up on a Rhyhorn, after all.

Edit: or Tauros. There are some Tauros fans here. Speak up, Tauros lovers!
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Gah, the burden of choice!
Talking to Joy seems like it's got the best chance of winning, and depending on Joy's answers about the two non-odd(ish) Pokémon, we could then decide Pokémon based on the difficulty of the others. In any case, this gives us a good fallback/default option to use if we don't like the other SZ Pokémon.
Adhoc vote count started by Plausitivity on Jun 19, 2019 at 9:13 PM, finished with 937 posts and 13 votes.
  • [x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
    → [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
    → → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
    → → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
    → → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
    → → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
    → → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
    → → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
    → → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
    → → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
    → → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
    → → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
    -[x] Options
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    - [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
    [x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
    → [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)
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I am now commiting to Poliwag. Forget everything else, it's the only compromise vote with the power to defeat the tyranny of Oddish. Poliwag train is now full-stop!

Edit: Poliwag learns Rain Dance through level up. Rain Dance team? Rain Dance team.
 
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Okay... so let's try to predict the disadvantages of poliwag, using the bulbapedia and available information.

What do we know?
- It lives in the C-shaped lake, which is notable for only having weaker (ie, low-threat) pokemon in it. Worth noting, though, that it's the watering hole for basically everything int he area, which means both that there's going to be a lot of wandering pokemon, and it's a prime spot for pokemon-on-pokemon predation.
- It's a powerful swimmer but inept on land. That means it usually isn't on land. If we don't want to spend a significant amount of time on this (we don't), we're going to have to come up with some sort of a plan that convinces it to go up on land in spite of its general predilections or go into the water after it. In the anime, it feeds on salveyo weed (a paralysis cure that grows underwater). If we *do* catch it out of the water, it'll likely be pretty easy to net or something.
- Once we do catch it, we're going to need to give it a lot of training in that whole "walking" thing.
- Notable aspects of its moveset are in hypnosis (good at putting thigns to sleep) and pumping water in various ways. There are certainly noncombat ways to use water pumping.
- Poliwhirl is pretty generic water in some ways, though that constant sweating thing is notable. It probably won't do too well if kept out of the water for too long. Its level-up moveset is pretty much the same as Poliwag - a solid line of "squirt water at that" special attacks, hypnosis, and a decent set of normal "just hit them" physical attacks, plus Low Kick from Fighting. Feeds on bug and fish pokemon.
- Poliwrath makes them fighting, and brings in some pretty vicious fighting moves as well. It generally lives on dry land.
- Politoed stays pure water, and swaps out its moveset fo a rather odd combination that focuses mostly on sonic attacks. It's said to have the ability to command Poliwag and Poliwhirl.

So... between those, I'd say that the disadvantages are mostly...
- It's going to want to stay underwater (where it's a strong swimmer). We're going to have to either lure it out (at which point it's not so good at the running) or go in after it. We're probably not going to have the time to just wait and hope to get lucky. This will require a good plan, but hopefully wont' be all that dangerous or too horribly time-consuming.
- Once we get it it's still going to be pretty darned weak at walking. We're going to need to train it pretty hard to help it get over that, and even so, it's likely to be at elast somewhat of an issue until we evolve the thing.
- Even after the first evolution, it might need to have its skin moistened pretty regularly. If we have ready access to water, that's fine, but if we're dealign with a situation where water is not regularly available, its duration outside of pokeball is going to be somewhat limited.

Personally, I find those disadvantages tolerable. It means that we need to come up with a plan to handle the water thing, but that's doable. It means that we need to spend a fair bit of time training it before we head out into the wild, but that's okay. I suspect it's built into the system. It means that we're going to be a bit limited on where we can be effective at first, but I think that's acceptable as well, as long as we can figure out how to pick up another pokemon or two relatively quickly.

Also, apparently this has turned into the "should we go all in for oddish, or consider something else" turn, so....

[x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
→ [x] Poliwag (preliminary)
 
wdango said:
Spanning about 40 hectares in a vague C-shape,
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*Eyes glitter in excitement*

Could this be... an ox-bow lake?

wdango said:
Pinsir and Scyther are supposedly abundant, as with all subzones of the Safari Zone, but are rarely encountered.
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Do you mean "present"? Or are they somehow common, but rarely encountered?

wdango said:
And also as with any subzone in the Safari Zone, Chansey remains a mystery, rarely making an appearance to heal injured Pokémon or even humans. The presence of a Chansey is easy to tell, as any predator will stop chasing its prey when a Chansey is near. It has also been observed that acting aggressively in the direction of a Chansey will provoke the ire of all of the Safari Zone's inhabitants.
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Chansey is a naturally-occuring red cross.

Sirrocco said:
How much does STAB matter in this world?
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That will probably have to wait for the combat mechanics to be written.

Sirrocco said:
I'm game for it if you are, but if the vote falls for Safari Zone North under those conditions, I don't want to see you putting up an equally "well, how about we commit completely to Oddish *this* turn?" vote next turn.
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It is worth pointing out that we put such conditions back in the context between in-depth research on a pokemon, and Oddish won. Before your time, admittedly.

Shin said:
I think it'd be pretty easy to capture with a pit trap to break a leg and directing a stampede toward it with a flashbang or something. Nobody else seems to like it though. :/
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Just a reminder, if we break its leg, then its leg is broken. Depending on how bad the break is, that miht permanently cripple it.

Wysteria said:
Really, if Poliwag loses on this round I'm bringing it right back up as our second, it's excellent and grass->water is an easy fight.
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While we are likely to have a different set of considerations for our second mon, poliwag would be a great pick for it if we chose Oddish.

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It doesn't. It gets Water Absorb, which is even better.
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Remember, the mechanics only take inspiration from those in the games. Abilities are not a thing, although they might possibly inform what a mon can do.

Lab_Accident said:
I am now commiting to Poliwag. Forget everything else, it's the only compromise vote with the power to defeat the tyranny of Oddish. Poliwag train is now full-stop!

Edit: Poliwag learns Rain Dance through level up. Rain Dance team? Rain Dance team.
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Also, there's no guarantee of specific moves, (or even moves at all right now) existing. That said, the poli line is probably one of the most likely mon short of legendaries to be able to make a rain dance style thing happen, in my estimation.

But yes, if doesn't win, I will not get in the way of other options being investigated, but will continue to argue for Oddish over anything worse.

[x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
→ [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
→ → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
→ → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
→ → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
→ → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
→ → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
→ → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
→ → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
→ → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
→ → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
 
[x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
→ [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
→ → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
→ → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
→ → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
→ → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
→ → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
→ → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
→ → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
→ → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
→ → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
 
It is a bit too late to change course from oddish in my opinion as the time limit is getting closer and closer.
Plus this exam is about catching a starter pokemon and Kotone then will have access to status powder to catch other pokemon later with oddish.



[x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
→ [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
→ → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
→ → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
→ → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
→ → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
→ → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
→ → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
→ → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
→ → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
→ → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
 
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[x] Talk to Professor Joy. (1 Day)
→ [x] About Oddish, Nidoran, and Kangaskhan behavior and evolution.
→ → [x] Are Oddish immune to sleep powder? What about other tranquilizers and status effects?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish be easier to tame than a Gloom?
→ → [x] Will an older Oddish be harder to tame than a younger Oddish?
→ → [x] Is there any benefit to trying to find an Oddish with a stronger poison?
→ → [x] Will an Oddish caught in the middle of evolution be mad at me?
→ → [x] What's the best way to bribe an Oddish to like me? I was thinking nice potting soil.
→ → [x] Is there a way to tell when my Oddish is ready to evolve? Is there a benefit to delays its evolution so it's stronger when attempting evolution?
→ → [x] I'm concerned about Gloom's scent, but I understand I can train it not to smell. How difficult is that training, and can you tell me more about it?
→ → [x] Is there some way to steer my Oddish towards a future as a Vileplume or Bellossom, depending on which I prefer? I am leaning towards a Bellossom, which I have read is rare. Will getting my Oddish to evolve into one be a problem?
→ → [x] The general outline of my Oddish capture plan is track a strong Oddish at night, wait for it to dig itself a hole for the day, put a steel mesh and then a fabric bag over it, dig it up carefully, send it to sleep with sleep powder, add more restraints, and then capture it. Could you give me your feedback on this plan?
→ → [x] How does an injured Kangaskan act?
→ → [x] How likely is a Nidoran to be off alone away from its Kingdom?
 
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Markala said:
Time to jump on the blue stink-potato train I guess, I tried. *shrugs*
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Would you rather have Oddish than Poliwag? That's understandable, if so. If not, then go ahead and vote for Poliwag. It's got a reasonable chance of making a comeback; I've seen plenty of dark horse wins with that vote margin in the past.

Personally, I think we should just commit to Oddish for many reasons that I've already outlined, but ideally you should vote for it because you think it's the best option out of the ones we have available, not out of resignation to the current majority.
 
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Sirrocco said:
[x] Study Gary's Notes (1 Day)
- [x] Safari Zone North (Safari Area 2) (in-depth)

We know we want to do it, and it might give us more info for the Nurse Joy questions.

Other questions! These we maybe know in-character.
- How much ground (in km) can we expect to cover each day? If the south zone is 20-30 km in *radius*, that's a lot of hiking to get from one side to the other.
- How much does STAB matter in this world?
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Depends on your slowest member if you stay together, and depends on how much weight you're carrying, and your stamina.

Kotone is confident she can march with about 30kg of weight at 5km/h for up to 6 hours per day on flatland. 3km/h when hiking or 2km/h going through terrain, and of course if you're accounting for stealth it might be worse.

Mechanics for travelling will be split up into 6hr blocks, with distance travelled depending on encounter rolls.

STAB... idk yet. but it will likely factor into things.

Plausitivity said:
(Oh, @wdango are there shiny Pokémon in this setting?)
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Not sure yet.

Lab_Accident said:
Spoiler: Chansey Nope
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LOL

Skewfiend said:
Could this be... an ox-bow lake?
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A billabong? *grin* almost but not quite, i think.

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Do you mean "present"? Or are they somehow common, but rarely encountered?
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The latter. But can't be confirmed.
 
Adding a poll that hopefully reduces the toxicity of arguments here.

Tell me if you want me to add options. It's not an official vote, which will have to wait until the interviews, but it will reflect Koto's thoughts in the narrative.

Vote for as many as you want and change as many times as you want.

@DeepWaters @Wysteria i hope this helps.
 
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Depends on your slowest member if you stay together, and depends on how much weight you're carrying, and your stamina.

Kotone is confident she can march with about 30kg of weight at 5km/h for up to 6 hours per day on flatland. 3km/h when hiking or 2km/h going through terrain, and of course if you're accounting for stealth it might be worse.

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So traveling straight through Safari Zone South will be ~1 day, assuming a radius of 30km and that we can find a straight path that's entirely flatland-- ~2 days if the entire path is hiking, and ~2.5 days if it's all rough(?) terrain. Since our path will almost certainly be neither straight nor uniform, we should probably plan for it to take two to four days just to travel across to the north. We can expect the way back to take a bit less time, since we'll better know our way around, but that's still probably going to be at least a week of travel time if we don't double-time it at some point.

Not as bad as it seems at first, since there will be plenty of hours in those days for us to do things like set up traps, but that doesn't give us much time to track down Kangaskhan at all, and there's not much room for things to go wrong either. @wdango, can we hustle/double-time? If so, how fast can we go and what are the downsides?
 
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Would you rather have Oddish than Poliwag? That's understandable, if so. If not, then go ahead and vote for Poliwag. It's got a reasonable chance of making a comeback; I've seen plenty of dark horse wins with that vote margin in the past.

Personally, I think we should just commit to Oddish for many reasons that I've already outlined, but ideally you should vote for it because you think it's the best option out of the ones we have available, not out of resignation to the current majority.
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Ah hah! Well said, Waters Which Are Deep!
However! You see, your faith may be misguided, as the sunken cost fallacy ensnares the minds of the people, and makes the idea of jumping ship just unpalatable! You may see through the fog, but only those who wish to do so can truly find the truth, truthfully!:V
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Also, I'm still gonna vote for north side research, to complete the planning of our travel route.
I understand some people want to ask Joy, so I guess the earlier, the better? We aren't the only students in the academy I believe. That would be sad...

Love the poll! I like to imagine we're microscopic psychic type Pokémon that reside in Kotone's brain and discuss over her decisions. Might make her into a strategic mastermind, might turn her brain to goop after too much mental stimulation. Who knows?
 
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So traveling straight through Safari Zone South will be a day, assuming a radius of 30km and that we can find a straight path that's entirely flatland-- two days if the entire path is hiking, and two and half days if it's all rough(?) terrain. Since our path will almost certainly be neither straight nor uniform, we should probably plan for it to take two to four days just to travel across to the north. We can expect the way back to take a bit less time, since we'll better know our way around, but that's still probably going to be at least a week of travel time if we don't double-time it at some point.

Not as bad as it seems at first, since there will be plenty of hours in those days for us to do things like set up traps, but that doesn't give us much time to track down Kangaskhan at all, and there's not much room for things to go wrong either. @wdango, can we hustle/double-time? If so, how fast can we go and what are the downsides?
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It'll be two days minimum. Radius, not diameter, and we're starting on one side, rather than the middle.

Also, if we have to slow down for, say, Silver, that's a thing.
 
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