- Location
- United states
Not sure why. Leman is the most combat focused of the Primarchs and is needed the most on the frontlines. Besides seems like Corvus would fit better:
Wise men-
1) The Healer
2) The Seer
3) The Saint
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Wise men-
1) The Healer
2) The Seer
3) The Saint
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Maybe the Eldar could spare a philosopher. There's probably one somewhere.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
That happened a while back.
But they're already winning and Vulkan will be returning to the front once he's finished the artifact.
His recent attempt to conform more to his archetype as well as rapidly growing knowledge and ability with the Primal warp would be excellent reasons.
As well as the fact he has the spear, which is known for being a potent anti chaos artifact.
Hell if we don't manage to heal him and Guiliman is placed back in statis with a few more centuries experience Russ could act as the curse breaker in Lin's stead.
- Location
- Back in Cali
Even worse since is their greatest warrior and war leader. If you want a wise man a centuries if not millennia old Chief Apothecary of the Raven Guard would easily count.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
We want the best!
+ Russ is actually probably a better choice for a wise man, he's got a journey spanning mellennia to become wise.
- Location
- Back in Cali
And again the Primarchs are the reason they are winning pulling their best warrior and war leader from the front could and should make that outcome change.
still don't think the spear is the best choice. But that is mostly because to me it never seemed like it banished chaos in the stuff I have read. It always seemed like it broke the mind control and forced the one that was stabbed to confront their own issues. After all Horus got stabbed and nothing changed for him the only thing that happened was the same as when Magnus tried to stop him. Horus saw what was happening and was free from the control but still decided to continue on his path because he was still corrupted at that point.
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- United states
This^^ The main issue here is that some people are demanding way too much and ignoring everything major like the fact that Quartus is at war with the most powerful hive fleet and can't afford to send their best combatant and general. They are already risking a bit by sending two Primarchs out. There is no way in hell to justify sending out their best general and combatant in a major war when they will also need to deal with all their other enemies and if they get to weakened it would be huge problem long term for them and the sane side of the galaxy.
It's not practical. If the situation was better and they weren't in a major war that could have serious repurcussions if they suffer too much damage than it wouldn't be much of an issue. But they are and we have to accept that. The reality is that sometimes you can't have everything you want and just have to make due to with what we have. And it seems pretty funny that after pushing for a Primarch with many people pointing out it's just impractical and doesn't offer much someone comes up with an idea to make it practical that they go for an idea that's even more impractical despite the fact that they got their originally impractical idea to become actually practical.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
They are in a major war that they are winning and neither Vulkan or Corvus are the major martial primarchs.
They can afford to leave for a single year! A SINGLE FUCKING YEAR!
If it wasn't then they'd have told us to fuck off and we wouldn't even be having this conversation!
John Masaki
The Guy With the Lightsaber
- Location
- Atlantis
I concur with the eternally doomed marsupial. I believe strongly that Corvus personally healing his brother has a stronger link than some random doctor dude. It may well push the line of success or failure over the edge into success.
Once again, I remind you all that the Laws of Narrative are in play and while we haven't precisely divined the laws (and really, I think after we establish the outcome of this current issue, we need to get around to divining them!), I am quite aware, as a writer, of how they interact. Here, the fact that a brother of Guilliman has seen fit to personally use his skills to heal him is narratively important.
Worst comes to worst, just ask Durin to confirm it.
Once again, I remind you all that the Laws of Narrative are in play and while we haven't precisely divined the laws (and really, I think after we establish the outcome of this current issue, we need to get around to divining them!), I am quite aware, as a writer, of how they interact. Here, the fact that a brother of Guilliman has seen fit to personally use his skills to heal him is narratively important.
Worst comes to worst, just ask Durin to confirm it.
- Location
- United states
As has just been mentioned the main issue was that having Corvus there just to increase the chances by fixing a wound that literally the other best doctors could easily do just wasn't worth it for the miniscule increase when they were at war. Then we came up with the idea of having him take Vlad's place as a wise man for the 3 wise men ritual since he couldn't be there and him actually being a far better choice at which point people would probably be cool with him being there since the chances go up quite bit more with him there. That and he could also fix the neck wound while he is there which is the main reason people were originially pushing for him to go.
The issue now is that people now want to push for Leman when he is the best combatant and general which means they definitely cannot afford to send him out unlike with Corvus.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
What?
No no no I don't want Leman to go, just that if he was needed he'd be useful.
Corvus is needed, Leman isn't. Maybe in a few centuries he'd be required cause he's the only other person I can think of who could curse break.
John Masaki
The Guy With the Lightsaber
- Location
- Atlantis
Yeah, no. Leman Russ would most likely run into the 'too many cooks spoil the broth' issue that came up when we came up with the wise man plan, incurring a potential malus, not only here, but where Leman would otherwise be needed.
With the chances of success for the Roboute Restoration being as low as it is, do we really want to risk a malus just to bring in Leman Russ, even with his spear?
- Location
- United states
Seems there was a bit of a miscommunication here. Well anyway if we have confirmation that Corvus could take Vlad's place as a wise man for the ritual than I see no issue with having Corvus participate since he'd be adding far more than just a surgery that the best doctors around can do nearly as well.
- Location
- Leicester UK
[X] Plan Corax Yes
Munitorum
SLOT A (3 Years)
-Y3: Power Armoured PDF: Troopers
SLOT B (2 Years)
-Y4: Power Armoured PDF: Scout
Void Command
SLOT A (4 Years)
-Y2: Gravatic Sensors: Heavy
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 2
SLOT B (3 Years)
-Y3: Combine Shipyards: Huge
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3
Administratum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Underground Railways: Tarascon
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Expand (Waset) to Small Hive
Diplomacy
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1-Y2: Operation Hecatoncheir: Eldar Targeting
-Y3: Trade talk Trolls (Ask if they are willing to help with hive construction, any costs or payment for this service.)
-Y4: Trade (10 RM per year for 50 billion thrones per year. )
-Y5: Request (Notify Corax about the upcoming attempt to heal his brother and request his help.)
Arbites
SLOT A (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Greater Psyker Hunting
-SLOT B (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Counterintelligence
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR YEAR 4
Mechanicus
SLOT A (3 Years, Free)
-Y3: Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God: Mag Mell
Ministorum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: The Nature of (Zahhak)
-- REDO NATURE OF CURSES IF THAT FAILS
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y5: Making it Stick
SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Nature of (Sanguinius)
Telepathica
SLOT A (4 Years, Rids)
-Y2: Anti-Slaneesh Powers: Countering
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT B (1 Years, Tamia)
-Y5: Research: (Chaos) Destructive Resonances
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT C (3 Years, Aria)
-Y3: Expand Unseen University
SLOT D (5 Years, Xavier)
-Y1: Research (Shrine Fairies)
-Y2: Anti-Abomination Powers: Countering
SLOT E (Free Greater Divination)
-Y?: Greater Divination (Assist Operation Hetaconcheir)
Personal
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Promotion (Samantha Khol)
-Y2-Y5: Operation Hetaconcheir
SLOT B (5 Years)
-Y1: Personal Attention: Request (Ask the Ancient One if he can shadow Saint Lin for a few years because we worry an incursion may arrive.)
-Y2: Spend time with Saint Lin
-Y3: Personal Attention (Educational Reforms Part 3)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT C (5 Years)
-Y1: Construction Expertise (Expand and Downgrade, Annwn)
Might as well try.
Replaced asking for troll assistance with notifying Corax.
Edit: Swapped some Rids and Xavior Telepathica actions.
Swapped asking the ancient one for help to year 1 personal in place of time with Lin.
Added asking for troll assistance in to diplomacy in the ancient requests place.
Munitorum
SLOT A (3 Years)
-Y3: Power Armoured PDF: Troopers
SLOT B (2 Years)
-Y4: Power Armoured PDF: Scout
Void Command
SLOT A (4 Years)
-Y2: Gravatic Sensors: Heavy
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 2
SLOT B (3 Years)
-Y3: Combine Shipyards: Huge
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 3
Administratum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Underground Railways: Tarascon
-- EXPEDITE YEAR 1
SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Expand (Waset) to Small Hive
Diplomacy
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1-Y2: Operation Hecatoncheir: Eldar Targeting
-Y3: Trade talk Trolls (Ask if they are willing to help with hive construction, any costs or payment for this service.)
-Y4: Trade (10 RM per year for 50 billion thrones per year. )
-Y5: Request (Notify Corax about the upcoming attempt to heal his brother and request his help.)
Arbites
SLOT A (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Greater Psyker Hunting
-SLOT B (5 Years)
Y1-Y5: Counterintelligence
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR YEAR 4
Mechanicus
SLOT A (3 Years, Free)
-Y3: Grand Cathedral of the Machine-God: Mag Mell
Ministorum
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: The Nature of (Zahhak)
-- REDO NATURE OF CURSES IF THAT FAILS
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 1
-Y5: Making it Stick
SLOT B (4 Years)
-Y2: Nature of (Sanguinius)
Telepathica
SLOT A (4 Years, Rids)
-Y2: Anti-Slaneesh Powers: Countering
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 2
SLOT B (1 Years, Tamia)
-Y5: Research: (Chaos) Destructive Resonances
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 5
SLOT C (3 Years, Aria)
-Y3: Expand Unseen University
SLOT D (5 Years, Xavier)
-Y1: Research (Shrine Fairies)
-Y2: Anti-Abomination Powers: Countering
SLOT E (Free Greater Divination)
-Y?: Greater Divination (Assist Operation Hetaconcheir)
Personal
SLOT A (5 Years)
-Y1: Promotion (Samantha Khol)
-Y2-Y5: Operation Hetaconcheir
SLOT B (5 Years)
-Y1: Personal Attention: Request (Ask the Ancient One if he can shadow Saint Lin for a few years because we worry an incursion may arrive.)
-Y2: Spend time with Saint Lin
-Y3: Personal Attention (Educational Reforms Part 3)
-- DOUBLE DOWN YEAR 3
SLOT C (5 Years)
-Y1: Construction Expertise (Expand and Downgrade, Annwn)
Might as well try.
Replaced asking for troll assistance with notifying Corax.
Edit: Swapped some Rids and Xavior Telepathica actions.
Swapped asking the ancient one for help to year 1 personal in place of time with Lin.
Added asking for troll assistance in to diplomacy in the ancient requests place.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
[X] Plan Corax Yes
- Location
- United states
You know at this rate it seems incredibly unlikely that a plan with Corax would win unless we are sure he can do more than justh the surgery. Again, I suggest people ask Durin if it is possible to have him replace Vlad as a wise man since not only would it give more than just a miniscule improvement but may actually be a better choice than Vlad due to his connection with the Emperor and Guilliman as a brother and fellow Primarch. Otherwise I'm not seeing it happen since again they are in a major war and no, it being only one year doesn't seem like a good excuse when we are already taking Vulkan out for 3 years and taking Corvax just to treat a neck wound is just absurdly overkill considering the whole Nid war going on.
Seriously, seems like it could feasibly work and if Durin gives confirmation than I doubt people would argue against Corvus being there since his usefulness actually goes way up.
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- Location
- western US
tally. lets see the tally
- Location
- Back in Cali
The powers don't matter who makes them. Only the frequency and anti-frequency do.
They matter, but "a little bit", to quote Durin.
When Saint Lin dies it becomes dangerous do counter frequencies. These is the aafest we will have for a long time to do them. Also Xavier has a better chance of succeeding than Ridicully because of his stats and traits.
- Location
- Earth
No, both Xavier's learning and piety (and control too) are lower than Ridcully's, and it's specifically noted that Ridcully could still do this research after Lin dies. Besides, counter-frequencies aren't as dangerous as finding the original Chaos frequencies.
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