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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

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Do you think we could ask the Grey Knights to help train our Psy-hunters? Anti-psyker and anti-Daemon psyker stuff is something they have unparalleled excellence in after all, and I don't think any of our current agreements with them mention training.

We might need to send said psykers off-world for the training, though, given how the GKs are sensibly avoiding staying on Avernus given it's revealed GK-nabbing tendencies...
 
Reynal said:
Do you think we could ask the Grey Knights to help train our Psy-hunters? Anti-psyker and anti-Daemon psyker stuff is something they have unparalleled excellence in after all, and I don't think any of our current agreements with them mention training.

We might need to send said psykers off-world for the training, though, given how the GKs are sensibly avoiding staying on Avernus given it's revealed GK-nabbing tendencies...
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wait, Avernus was the reason we had a GK go missing? I remember it happening, but not ever getting any kind of answer as to what caused it.
 
jjffjhjf said:
wait, Avernus was the reason we had a GK go missing? I remember it happening, but not ever getting any kind of answer as to what caused it.
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We don't know, it was probably the planetmind, but it could maybe have been tzeentch.
If it was the planetmind it could have been for experimentation, or it could have been because the grey knight was excessively faithful and a risk of corruption, or it could be because it predicted them doing something, or it could be because it wanted to train them in a high intensity environment.

We know almost nothing.

It's even posiible that the Inquisition disappeared their own Grey Knight using some unique artefact so as to test if they could hide things from the planetmind.
 
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Reynal said:
Do you think we could ask the Grey Knights to help train our Psy-hunters? Anti-psyker and anti-Daemon psyker stuff is something they have unparalleled excellence in after all, and I don't think any of our current agreements with them mention training.

We might need to send said psykers off-world for the training, though, given how the GKs are sensibly avoiding staying on Avernus given it's revealed GK-nabbing tendencies...
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IIRC Durin's answer on that was that GK training really wouldn't be applicable to our psyker hunters due to how differently they use their powers.
 
I don't think we should do the grandmaster witch hunters. We're relatively okay on the anti-psyker front right now, and the grandmaster psyker hunters will further improve that. Grandmaster witch hunters is something that can actually be done by Lin's successor since it's not special about him like even cleansing moderately tainted planets is. Plus it takes up 10 years, which is an enormous amount of his time.
 
thatguy said:
We don't know, it was probably the planetmind, but it could maybe have been tzeentch.
If it was the planetmind it could have been for experimentation, or it could have been because the grey knight was excessively faithful and a risk of corruption, or it could be because it predicted them doing something, or it could be because it wanted to train them in a high intensity environment.
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we asked He Who Walks Obliquely, he admitted to doing it on the Planet minds direct orders. The inquisition mostly does not hold HWWO as responsible for it since he doesn't really have a choice about following orders.
 
inverted_helix said:
I don't think we should do the grandmaster witch hunters. We're relatively okay on the anti-psyker front right now, and the grandmaster psyker hunters will further improve that. Grandmaster witch hunters is something that can actually be done by Lin's successor since it's not special about him like even cleansing moderately tainted planets is. Plus it takes up 10 years, which is an enormous amount of his time.
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...You did check out our last turn where we lost around 150 million people including a ton of our elite hunters despite having Jane do a ton of psyker hunting options? We are pretty much almost never okay on the psyker hunter front because the rate of psykers keep increasing and we are constantly trying to keep up.
 
Red Bovine said:
...You did check out our last turn where we lost around 150 million people including a ton of our elite hunters despite having Jane do a ton of psyker hunting options? We are pretty much almost never okay on the psyker hunter front because the rate of psykers keep increasing and we are constantly trying to keep up.
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150 million militia. Those losses are pretty much insignificant. We lose more than that to wildlife.

The casualties are at entirely sustainable levels at this point. We're never going to have zero casualties from them, and it's not even worth imagining we could. All we need is to keep them lower than our replacement rate, which they are at this point.

HanEmpire said:
The Planet Mind is probably taking the GK apart to study how he works. We might get to see "Human" natives in the next chapter.
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Why would the PM make a whole new 'human' species when it could just modify the humans it already has?
 
inverted_helix said:
150 million militia. Those losses are pretty much insignificant. We lose more than that to wildlife.

The casualties are at entirely sustainable levels at this point. We're never going to have zero casualties from them, and it's not even worth imagining we could. All we need is to keep them lower than our replacement rate, which they are at this point.


Why would the PM make a whole new 'human' species when it could just modify the humans it already has?
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Tell that to the blanks that's have been cut in half and had there combat ability shanked in a dark ally.
 
inverted_helix said:
150 million militia. Those losses are pretty much insignificant. We lose more than that to wildlife.

The casualties are at entirely sustainable levels at this point. We're never going to have zero casualties from them, and it's not even worth imagining we could. All we need is to keep them lower than our replacement rate, which they are at this point.


Why would the PM make a whole new 'human' species when it could just modify the humans it already has?
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It is sort of irritating that we have fewer people on the planet than in the moon cities, but I blame that on the Daemonic incursions, not psykers(mostly).

I agree on the modify what you have VS make new question, but that leaves us wondering: will geneseed compatibility increase or decrease? Will we see Avernites with partial Astartic mutations? Have we already killed a bunch automatically? Will the planetmind get frustrated and move to a different species if the practise of killing mutants slows down the evolution enough?


HanEmpire said:
The Planet Mind is probably taking the GK apart to study how he works. We might get to see "Human" natives in the next chapter.
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Did we ask HWWO to confirm that theory?
 
inverted_helix said:
150 million militia. Those losses are pretty much insignificant. We lose more than that to wildlife.

The casualties are at entirely sustainable levels at this point. We're never going to have zero casualties from them, and it's not even worth imagining we could. All we need is to keep them lower than our replacement rate, which they are at this point.
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the issue is, as our pop increases we get more psykers, and right now jane is a massive part of our defenses. when she dies we're going to need to be well ahead of the curve or the psyker ramages will drop our population back down to parity with our ability to hunt them.
 
inverted_helix said:
150 million militia. Those losses are pretty much insignificant. We lose more than that to wildlife.

The casualties are at entirely sustainable levels at this point. We're never going to have zero casualties from them, and it's not even worth imagining we could. All we need is to keep them lower than our replacement rate, which they are at this point.
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You do know Psyker ratios have been increasing, right? Pretty notably at that. We're getting more psykers who are more powerful on average and we can't rest on our laurels or we're gonna end up slowing our population growth overall as our compensation measures collapse.
 
xXxBlueViperxXx said:
Tell that to the blanks that's have been cut in half and had there combat ability shanked in a dark ally.
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To blanks: "Your losses are acceptable."

Is that what you want?

Our overall losses are below replacement rate, that one or another category takes a spike of damage isn't that big a deal.

thatguy said:
I agree on the modify what you have VS make new question, but that leaves us wondering: will geneseed compatibility increase or decrease? Will we see Avernites with partial Astartic mutations? Have we already killed a bunch automatically? Will the planetmind get frustrated and move to a different species if the practise of killing mutants slows down the evolution enough?
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Well we haven't gotten an update on Avernites' progression towards abhuman status in like a century. So we might want to look into what's changed.

random_npc said:
the issue is, as our pop increases we get more psykers, and right now jane is a massive part of our defenses. when she dies we're going to need to be well ahead of the curve or the psyker ramages will drop our population back down to parity with our ability to hunt them.
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Jane isn't dying any time soon. Plus she rarely has much in the way of other important actions anyway.

In terms of pop growth, it's basically irrelevant. As our pop grows our number of psyker hunters, witch hunters, and general military personnel grows as well.

Execute/Dumbo said:
You do know Psyker ratios have been increasing, right? Pretty notably at that. We're getting more psykers who are more powerful on average and we can't rest on our laurels or we're gonna end up slowing our population growth overall as our compensation measures collapse.
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Not that notably. The rate of psyker increase is a fraction of a percent. Also population growth rate overall pretty much has to decline pretty soon as a result of inability of us to increase our population capacity as fast as our population grows. In a few more turns our population growth is going to be limited by our capacity anyways and we'll be able to soak far more casualties without it really affecting population growth at that point.​
 
inverted_helix said:
Not that notably. The rate of psyker increase is a fraction of a percent. Also population growth rate overall pretty much has to decline pretty soon as a result of inability of us to increase our population capacity as fast as our population grows. In a few more turns our population growth is going to be limited by our capacity anyways and we'll be able to soak far more casualties without it really affecting population growth at that point.
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So wait, are you saying that we shouldn't bother expanding our operations until losses actually become an issue, rather than working proactively so that we aren't forced to try and expand our psyker hunters when we're losing more people than we can handle?
 
Enjou said:
I could merge them then. I'd need another action to replace the one being removed, though.
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I don´t know, the ones that we can try to get assistance from are the Eldar, Arethea, the People of Avernus, and the Inquistion, so maybe pick one of those.

We can also get info from the Eldar on their Pantheon, but that would cost us a minor favor, I think it will be worthy because it will help Lin massively with the research on their Pantheon, but maybe not this turn.

Aside from that, @Enjou I think that if the Grandmaster Witch hunters can be done by Sain Lin´s successor we shouldn´t do it, at least for now, it is an immense amount of time for with such a limited tie like Lin

Regarding to that, @Durin can we take the Grandmaster With Hunters action with Saint Lin´s succesor?
 
Execute/Dumbo said:
So wait, are you saying that we shouldn't bother expanding our operations until losses actually become an issue, rather than working proactively so that we aren't forced to try and expand our psyker hunters when we're losing more people than we can handle?
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Not exactly, what he is saying is that if the Action can be taken by Lin´s Successor we should wait for his death before doing this.

Ten years for someone like Lin that may have less than forty left to live is a massive amount of time and the value of his investigation exceeds by far the value of slightly reducing the casualties from our militia.

So I would rather have Lin using those 10 years to look into 2.5 pantheons and/or gods, than reducing our militia loses in a 5%.
 
inverted_helix said:
Jane isn't dying any time soon. Plus she rarely has much in the way of other important actions anyway.

In terms of pop growth, it's basically irrelevant. As our pop grows our number of psyker hunters, witch hunters, and general military personnel grows as well.
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jane isn't dying any time soon, probably. However, the issue is not one that can be fixed quickly. we're trying to get ahead of a curve here, and the cost of failing to do so is significant, even if we're ahead a buffer is good. also, for you second point, that does not happen. We need to take actions to increase the throughput or witch hunters.

The sooner we get another +10 to the roll, the more we can capitalize on our lead to build up our forces for a buffer in case jane dies in the next incursion. We don't know when jane is going to die, and just assuming we will have time is risky.
 
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