The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Nurgle · Apr 9, 2019

Adventwolf said:
That is more of an argument for the first option. We do not have the spare actions to spend on DN spies since it is such a large and wide action we need to spend so many actions on it. We need those actions to keep track of the threat we are currently looking at like the Nids, Orks, the local Slaanesh domain that might get a boost, the Abom Crusade, as well as doing them for the Eldar for favors and that is just off the top of my head. We can't waste actions on spies for the DN at this moment.

We do have focus divination which takes 2 years and we have 40 years for the Tryanids to become a threat to the trust directly. The Waagh will be fighting a chaos polity and has a better chance of winning unless the locals unit.

HanEmpire · Apr 9, 2019

[] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

@Durin how does this plan affect the votes?

Adventwolf · Apr 9, 2019

Nurgle said:
We do have focus divination which takes 2 years and we have 40 years for the Tryanids to become a threat to the trust directly. The Waagh will be fighting a chaos polity.

Just because it takes 40 years to reach us doesn't mean we don't keep track of it. And the Waagh hitting the chaos polites is just as bad we do not want it to succeed. We need to know who, where, when, and what is going on with it so we can plan. As the last action we took to root out spies showed it is too large of a subject to make the action that useful. It helps but not as much as everyone thought it would.

Durin · Apr 9, 2019

HanEmpire said:
[] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[] Waiting until the end of the new Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

@Durin how does this plan affect the votes?

enough for you to win

Nurgle · Apr 9, 2019

@Durin what about my argument?

Durin · Apr 9, 2019

Nurgle said:
We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.

@Durin how is these argument ?

this would make option 2 certain and give you a 50% chance of getting option 3

Reynal · Apr 10, 2019

Option 2 looks pretty good to me.

On our Divination actions coming up for the next decade, I'd say maybe three more focused on the Nids (two for learning more about their statlines etc, one for specific tactical advantage in the fights), one or two anti-infiltrator Divinations, and the remainder focusing on more galactic issues (either Eldar choice or helping out with the Ahriman hunt plus tactical data for slowing the Destroyer).

Dragon_352 · Apr 10, 2019

@Durin
Since time kind of branches out into multable paths, could we ask Rid to look for spesific branchs of time where we win against the nid's (or the orks I suppose) and then tell us what we did before hand? or is this basically what he already does when he gives us re-rolls?

Nurgle · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.

Okay voting for this Durin said it will make certain option 2 passes. Night people.

HanEmpire · Apr 10, 2019

Oh, vote's open? In that case, this plan will make certain option 1 passes.

[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

me.me.here · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

DkArthas · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

random_npc · Apr 10, 2019

ok, so i'm going to do a basic breakdown of the tech levels, and the bits of them I think would be particularly pertinent.

Durin said:
Tier Two technologies consist of the more advanced general STCs, the majority of the naval technologies and Dark Age vehicle designs, Data-Jewels and the basic power armour variants.

The big thing here is the naval tech. The general tech up is good, but i'm not sure how much of the industrial tech can be rolled out. The power armor is maybe not super useful for a polity that leans so heavily into astatas rather than elite mortal troops.

Durin said:
Tier Three technologies are the more complex STCs such as the Hyper Plasma Reactor, Ragnarok Cannon, Dreadnought designs, Advanced Power Armour Varients, Neutron and Grav Weaponry and similar.

in terms of ready in the next few decades, the big things are neutron weapons and the Ragnarok Cannon. they might be able to make a dreadnaught if they hurry, but I doubt it. that said, 30 years is enough to rush out a production run or two of battleships, and Ragnarok Cannons are going to be quite useful in space.

Durin said:
Tier Four technology is some of the most advanced that you have access to, such as your Titan design, Grav Sheer and Vortex Weapons the Deus design, Advanced Terminator Armour and similar.

the two general things that might be yourself at this level is vortex munitions and titans. dragons nest might be able to roll out a useful number of titans before the nids hit, but i would not assume so. but they would probably be able to stockpile vortex munitions. terminator armor would of course be obviously useful, but i'm not sure how useful that would be against nids.

Durin said:
Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.

this would actually give them most of the benefit of other plans. It would give them a good chunk of industrial tech, the tech to make ships of the line on par with ours, and neutron weapons for their astarates. They would lack the more specialized navale units though. more industrial tech, but i'm not sure how much they would have time to roll out.

Durin said:
all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with most of your Tier 3 Technology and the Tier 4 technology that is intended for use by Astartes.

so the two big things usable in our time frame that this gives them is cheap power armor, and ragnarok cannons. while i'm not sure how useful the PA will be for them, ragnarok cannons are likely going to be super useful against nids. because they are super useful against everything. termies are great, but super heavy infantry strike me as fairly close to crons so I suspect that the nids will have a lot of counters for squads of walking tanks ripping through their lines.

Durin said:
Tier 1, 2 and technology that you have access to along with the Tier 4 technology that is intended for use by Astartes.

i'm assuming this is meant to be most of our tire 4. in which case that likely means vortex ammunition and titans. so, most likely the main advantage would just be dragons next stockpiles vortex munitions.

@Durin does dragons nest have titan production facilities?

Shard · Apr 10, 2019

Reynal said:
On our Divination actions coming up for the next decade, I'd say maybe three more focused on the Nids (two for learning more about their statlines etc, one for specific tactical advantage in the fights), one or two anti-infiltrator Divinations, and the remainder focusing on more galactic issues (either Eldar choice or helping out with the Ahriman hunt plus tactical data for slowing the Destroyer).

A bit haphazard, but mine is:

15 years, 3 free G. Divs, 9 max
8 G Div Eldar - Gets us 2 Eldar Battlefleets
1 Alpha Legion
8 Actions Remaining
3 Focused Divination (B. Dragons Infiltration)
2 Actions free - Probably Mentoring Alphas

Tom Smith said:
@Durin
Since time kind of branches out into multable paths, could we ask Rid to look for spesific branchs of time where we win against the nid's (or the orks I suppose) and then tell us what we did before hand? or is this basically what he already does when he gives us re-rolls?

In most of the branches we casted Eldar Major Favor. Ridcully is a Farseer not a Foreseer remember. Eldar Farseers in contrast are much better at Foreseeing and Fateweaving.

cl20 · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.

DragonParadox · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

Durin · Apr 10, 2019

Tom Smith said:
@Durin
Since time kind of branches out into multable paths, could we ask Rid to look for spesific branchs of time where we win against the nid's (or the orks I suppose) and then tell us what we did before hand? or is this basically what he already does when he gives us re-rolls?

that is what he does to give you re rolls

random_npc said:
ok, so i'm going to do a basic breakdown of the tech levels, and the bits of them I think would be particularly pertinent.

The big thing here is the naval tech. The general tech up is good, but i'm not sure how much of the industrial tech can be rolled out. The power armor is maybe not super useful for a polity that leans so heavily into astatas rather than elite mortal troops.

in terms of ready in the next few decades, the big things are neutron weapons and the Ragnarok Cannon. they might be able to make a dreadnaught if they hurry, but I doubt it. that said, 30 years is enough to rush out a production run or two of battleships, and Ragnarok Cannons are going to be quite useful in space.

the two general things that might be yourself at this level is vortex munitions and titans. dragons nest might be able to roll out a useful number of titans before the nids hit, but i would not assume so. but they would probably be able to stockpile vortex munitions. terminator armor would of course be obviously useful, but i'm not sure how useful that would be against nids.

this would actually give them most of the benefit of other plans. It would give them a good chunk of industrial tech, the tech to make ships of the line on par with ours, and neutron weapons for their astarates. They would lack the more specialized navale units though. more industrial tech, but i'm not sure how much they would have time to roll out.

so the two big things usable in our time frame that this gives them is cheap power armor, and ragnarok cannons. while i'm not sure how useful the PA will be for them, ragnarok cannons are likely going to be super useful against nids. because they are super useful against everything. termies are great, but super heavy infantry strike me as fairly close to crons so I suspect that the nids will have a lot of counters for squads of walking tanks ripping through their lines.

i'm assuming this is meant to be most of our tire 4. in which case that likely means vortex ammunition and titans. so, most likely the main advantage would just be dragons next stockpiles vortex munitions.

@Durin does dragons nest have titan production facilities?

no it does not

inverted_helix · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

They don't have titan production facilities yet so there's not a hope in hell of them building titans any time soon anyway. Wouldn't be surprised if giving them that tech resulted in chaos building upgraded titans in numbers before Dragon's Nest could since Chaos actually has titan production facilities already.

I don't even think they'll have time to implement this ridiculous amount of industrial tech before the tyranids hit anyways though. We're still implementing techs from the conclave and they're going to be getting an even larger amount of techs than we did from the conclave.

Chlof · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.

Shard · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
-[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.

@Durin
1. Does this work?

Durin · Apr 10, 2019

Shard said:
[X] Semi-Compromise Option 1/2
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 and Tier 4 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] The Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Higher-tier technology transfer will not significantly help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies en masse.
-[X] The higher tier technologies intended for Astartes, however, should both be implementable to great effect within the short time frame as well as being exclusive in use enough that they would be difficult to steal.

@Durin
1. Does this work?

1. yes it does

VE12 · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 1

noliar · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

Ulrad · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 1
-[X] Provide Dragon's Nest will all Tier 1 and 2 technology that you have access to along with Tier 3 Technology that is intended for use by Astartes.
-[X] Point out that the Blood Dragons are still dealing with significant numbers of spies from Chaos polities, possibly including agents of the Alpha Legion. Until Grandmaster Ridcully and the Inquisition can flush them out, giving the Blood Dragons higher tier technologies poses a great risk to the Trust's future security.
-[X] Argue that the higher-tier technology transfer will not help the Blood Dragons in the coming war against the Tyranids, as they will not have sufficient time necessary to upgrade the industries required to construct and maintain the high-tier technologies.
-[X] Waiting until the end of the current Tyrannic War will let us assess the future strategic situation better, as we will be certain which the local Chaos polities will continue to be security threats to the Trust.

Enjou · Apr 10, 2019

[X] Vote Suggestion 2
-[x] We have agreed to and currently in talks with Dragon's nest in forming a single polity. When combined and given all our technology, together we will be able to quadruple our current military strength. As well as giving them a boost they will also be able to upgrade. While we are all worrried about the Tyranids they are not the only problem we are facing. With a Waagh in the region expected to hit the chaos polities we need are allies even more and tech exchange will help them and us greatly. For those of you worrried about tech theft we do have agreements helping Dragon's nest with their spy problem.

Seriously guys, our problems are not going to end with the Tyranids. Integration of tech takes time, so we need to get them started sooner than later.

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