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- Somewhere on Earth
Right, but the problem with Tyranids is that time is their ally. They're the ones who need to grow, and they can do it incomparably faster than we can.
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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up
- Thread starter Durin
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Yeah but if we complete are gravity research and psyker cannon research and can get those out it will make fighting the Tryanids well not easier but better.
- Location
- Somewhere on Earth
In thirty years they will have grown 500% if unopposed. Another ten and it might add another 150% percent on top of that. Growing, growing, eating and multiplying more and more and spreading out as a blight on the galaxy. I understand how it could be useful, but there's only so much time before they gain an insurmountable numbers advantage on us, and we can't afford to come in geared for war and realise they've already passed critical mass.
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- western US
I agree with dumbo....yes we have alot of growing to happen in the near future, but its too likely that the nid's will outgrow even our growth spurts.
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- Australia
That strategy relies on us building up faster than the tyranids and orks can, which we can't. Our tech just isn't that good. Maybe if we had some especially good wunderwaffen to build it'd be worth it, but we don't.
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- Berkeley
Delaying has some positive effects, as throwing an extra year onto the time it takes to assimilate each system allows our forces to potentially knock out extra fleets per wave, but it is at the cost of increasing the biomass gain on the Ork worlds. The effects are far better on non-Ork worlds, as it will actually reduce biomass gained from the fight there (as a longer fight doesn't increase biomass on a non-Ork planet and Nids that die 'only' produce 80+% of their biomass) in addition to the delay.
That said, to actually reduce fleet size the fleets need to be wiped out. So long as they hold the system without its biomass being purged at the end of the fighting they are going to be more numerous in their next cycle, as even if every last ship is destroyed they can still pick up at least 80% of the biomass from it as well as enough from the ground to come out ahead. We can get cute with making a point of shooting up hulks before the fighting concludes to reduce biomass recovered but at the end of the day concentrating the forces needed to wipe them out is far, far more efficient--especially considering how we can't actually leave a system in a timely manner when they still have a presence.
As far as improving our tech goes, I would absolutely agree we should do that. However, we are not going to be seeing game-changing effects from it within our strategic timeframe. An edge here and an edge there are all we're going to get. That said, stacking edges is how we've put together some pretty terrifying armies. We cannot afford to delay confrontations until we have additional edges, but we can mitigate the dangers as the fleets get closer and closer to us by rolling them out as they become available.
That said, to actually reduce fleet size the fleets need to be wiped out. So long as they hold the system without its biomass being purged at the end of the fighting they are going to be more numerous in their next cycle, as even if every last ship is destroyed they can still pick up at least 80% of the biomass from it as well as enough from the ground to come out ahead. We can get cute with making a point of shooting up hulks before the fighting concludes to reduce biomass recovered but at the end of the day concentrating the forces needed to wipe them out is far, far more efficient--especially considering how we can't actually leave a system in a timely manner when they still have a presence.
As far as improving our tech goes, I would absolutely agree we should do that. However, we are not going to be seeing game-changing effects from it within our strategic timeframe. An edge here and an edge there are all we're going to get. That said, stacking edges is how we've put together some pretty terrifying armies. We cannot afford to delay confrontations until we have additional edges, but we can mitigate the dangers as the fleets get closer and closer to us by rolling them out as they become available.
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- Australia
@Durin, is it possible to use the Honourbound to get the eldar to surround the Imperial Trust with warp storms?
I'm thinking that instead of fighting the tyranids that we don't. And we don't fight anything else for a while. Make the tyranids into a boon by killing all of our nearby enemies while we build up.
I'm thinking that instead of fighting the tyranids that we don't. And we don't fight anything else for a while. Make the tyranids into a boon by killing all of our nearby enemies while we build up.
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- Singapore
The Tyranids travel via realspace. Warp Storms won't do shit.
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- Alice Springs, Australia
I really like this and the differences in scale you show
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- Australia
Oh jeeze, this takes me back. A few years ago I had a big argument with Durin about exactly this. I argued that it makes no sense for warp storms to affect real space, he said they do anyway. So yeah, by Durin, tyranids can't travel through them even via realspace.
Also, if we go by newer canon, the warp storms will mess up the tyranids' ability to navigate, so they can't get to us.
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- Asia
[X] Plan Ideas
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- Australia
I think that next turn we should set aside a Greater Divination to check if there's going to be an Abominite attack in the future. If there is, it is crucial that we get some advance warning. We don't want to get hit while we have 80% of our regulars off fighting the tyranids.
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- Singapore
Oh, is that so? Then nevermind!
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- Australia
Um. Ok. This is a thing.
Melta - 1d4chan
EDIT: Oh crap The First Slave is canon. Abomination attack is looking even more likely.
Melta - 1d4chan
@Durin, how do the tau's fusion blades compare to our plasma foils?
EDIT: Oh crap The First Slave is canon. Abomination attack is looking even more likely.
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Shard
One and Many
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- Malaysia
@Durin
1. How long can our ships last before resupply?
2. Could we put mines in the path of Tyranids in the spot where we expect them to emerge? They are travelling through realspace so it shouldn't be that hard.
3. How long do we think the Nids will stay in 1 system before moving on?
1. How long can our ships last before resupply?
2. Could we put mines in the path of Tyranids in the spot where we expect them to emerge? They are travelling through realspace so it shouldn't be that hard.
3. How long do we think the Nids will stay in 1 system before moving on?
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- Australia
Durin already nixed this idea.
IIRC Durin had previously said that Tyranids were one of the things we had to worry about while we were stuck in the Warp Storm. Orks, Necrons, Chaos, and Tyranids, all still capable of reaching us.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
They can probably get through its just harder, unless Chaos throws up a ruinstorm or something like that.
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- Australia
...That's everyone. You mean to say that warp storms are non-problems for everyone except us? That's so unfair.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Eldar don't care either...Krork don't they've got subspace...
Yeah its just regular vanilla humans who are anything more than moderately inconvenienced by them.