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When did that happen?
If anything, I remember us specifically choosing to restore said bond.
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When did that happen?
If anything, I remember us specifically choosing to restore said bond.
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No. See, I've looked over the past few updates and what I noticed was this:
-The Maradysh's Loyalty towards us was High at first.
-The PU with them was broken, turning them into Tense Allies
-The PU with them was restored, but their Loyalty has been reduced to Medium
-Immediately afterwards, Urth starts to mess around with them.
So yeah, our relationship did take a hit from electing a Cadlon they considered unfit. Restoring the PU didn't do enough to restore their Loyalty to its previous level, and we didn't do a diplo action afterwards in order to smooth this over, so....
10ebbor10
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That's not a choice we made though. The GM railroaded that bit. We never got to choose that appointment.
In fact, we specifically chose to have that Cadlon advocate to ensure that he would not be elected.
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...*Thinks*
I suspect a few mistakes and one major factor.
BIG one was not doing action increasing things. I think I can chalk that one down to trying vassals in the hopes that they'd give up more actions instead of expanding ourselves.
Other was Lowlander timing- we needed to get in there while there were two FEUDING immortals, not later when Urth got his ducks in a row and could flatten us.
The last factor is both subtle and not.
Basically, in PoC, the players had a major advantage in knowing the tech tree much more solidly via the world being very close to OTL, and more importantly, we effectively had an immortal King that could try and swing away from historical bad ends. So while other nations might do the stupid every once in a while (Spirit Talkers Sacred War) we could generally keep our heads on straight...Generally.
Now though we've got someone who can do the same, and it's more of a board game, so instead of an easily distracted rabble, he can sit and plot and line his ducks up, while we tend to be more likely to chase the shiny of the day.
Now, the issue with Urth isn't quite as bad as it sounds- anti-magic of any sort will absolutely RUIN him. And again, dude likes power, he likes hoarding his power, and thus I bet if we manage to fight the slow grinding fight he thinks he can win via attrition, and save up deadlier tricks and things that would get his attention we can build our strength and Alpha-Strike him to death. And once He goes there go all his Magic's and whatever Martial he didn't lose to his newest body, all the immortality should also vanish because he's mimicking Arthryn's connection thing for that I think, and thus we come out the victor in the end.
I suspect a few mistakes and one major factor.
BIG one was not doing action increasing things. I think I can chalk that one down to trying vassals in the hopes that they'd give up more actions instead of expanding ourselves.
Other was Lowlander timing- we needed to get in there while there were two FEUDING immortals, not later when Urth got his ducks in a row and could flatten us.
The last factor is both subtle and not.
Basically, in PoC, the players had a major advantage in knowing the tech tree much more solidly via the world being very close to OTL, and more importantly, we effectively had an immortal King that could try and swing away from historical bad ends. So while other nations might do the stupid every once in a while (Spirit Talkers Sacred War) we could generally keep our heads on straight...Generally.
Now though we've got someone who can do the same, and it's more of a board game, so instead of an easily distracted rabble, he can sit and plot and line his ducks up, while we tend to be more likely to chase the shiny of the day.
Now, the issue with Urth isn't quite as bad as it sounds- anti-magic of any sort will absolutely RUIN him. And again, dude likes power, he likes hoarding his power, and thus I bet if we manage to fight the slow grinding fight he thinks he can win via attrition, and save up deadlier tricks and things that would get his attention we can build our strength and Alpha-Strike him to death. And once He goes there go all his Magic's and whatever Martial he didn't lose to his newest body, all the immortality should also vanish because he's mimicking Arthryn's connection thing for that I think, and thus we come out the victor in the end.
Knight Draco
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One time it did nothing, the other it led us right to the enemy's settlement through the mountins.
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We must deal with Maradysh crisis first and they need military help.
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Knight Draco
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We womt be able to deal with any crisis id we collapse and are forced to be a successor civ. They need help, but we are thin ice, we risk falling through if we run to their aid. So long as they last a turn we can support them, if they fall we can liberate them, but only so long as we make sure we are stable and legitimate now.
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Or we can fall in even greater crisis by not reacting properly as goddesses can't help us in this case.
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Heresy! The Gods will save us!
[X] [MAIN] Venerate the Goddesses
[X] [SEC] Venerate the Goddesses
[X] [SEC] Trade Expedition = Boarfolk Nomads
Knight Draco
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Thats an assumption and applies to the other action.
I can easily say that war party is not the correct action and will lead to greater crisis as we will have little martial and are ALSO unstable.
Ven at least gurentees pur civ gets stability and legitmacy, war psrty is just a straight up gamble.
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It's not our fault that we are unstable . Literally we had value that abliged us to go to war yet for some reason Arthwyd are ignoring it and complaining how we should had accepted peace.
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If you disagree, please provide the section of the update where we decided to vote for the guy who caused the PU to break.
If you can not find it (which you won't, because it doesn't exist) then don't blame the players for making a decision that the GM made for us.
This value right?
Yeah, that one hasn't been acting as I expected it to be. You'd expect increased unity at the cost of suffering from significant legitimacy loss for not continuing the war, but instead we get the complete opposite.
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You see now , trying to stop Urth is just vaste of actions and resources. We should just ignore him and do our own thing .
Let him and Arthryn/goddesses fight for who will be our God.
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Then burn.
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Not really , we let cult of Urth inside our civ alone. Arthryn will then watch over him while we can go and do our own thing.
And the best thing is that we can get best from both worlds.
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Any plan that assumes this should be thrown out with great force!
It's more likely to end up with the worst of both worlds.
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But what is alternative, throwing resources at him only for him to ascend to godhood anyway.
And even if he ascends to godhood he will have his immortal daughter's (heros) to guide his people against us, better to simply ignore him and let goddesses deal with it.
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Anyway, the current plan is as follows.
- [] [SEC] Settle Land = Greenbay
- [] [SEC] War Party = Barbarian Maradysh
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Diplomacy with Barbarian Maradysh?
Or even better Lowlanders tribes to convince them to back of from the Maradysh civil war.
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Knight Draco
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Its not our fault
But it doesnt change that it effects us.
Thus we venerate to fix a problem that wasnt our fault.
The one thing we haven't tried so far is bringing the goddesses into this, at least as an action, lets put them into play with this as it also helps our civ's integrity.
Knight Draco
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Thats your plan
Not everyones.
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Bribe the Boarfolk into attacking the Lowlands.